Techs and refs

Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=326513][quote="Moose" post=326508][quote="ron " post=326506][quote="Moose" post=326504]Overall we've been called for 536 (258th) fouls this year. Opponents have been called for 482 (253rd).

In Big East play its 305(10th in BE) to 252 (8th)[/quote]

Our defensive strategy relies a lot on stealing the ball which means we get a lot of reach in fouls. The difference is probably reasonable.[/quote]

Agree. The ranking difference especially in smaller test case like BE isn't much. If our opponents were ranked Top 4 and we were 10 I'd say there is a bigger problem. Again we are earning what's getting called. If we shut our mouths and stopped flailing our arms at every whistle it would be non story.[/quote]

Agreed the idea that free throw or foul disparity is somehow always attributed to bad officiating is nonsense. Suck it up and play better.

You think Xavier has been getting a favorable whistle when they were 3-8? You think the officials are favoring a 36 year old first year coach, Travis Steele, because suddenly they have won 5 in a row? They have won 5 in a row because they are playing better on both sides of the court.[/quote]

See what you're saying, but honestly I would think most teams foul at roughly the same rate. It's not like we weren't driving...we were. X took lots of jumpers actually. I get if we were just shooting all day long and all they did was drive...then it makes sense, but I don't recall a major difference in that regard. Like I said, I would've understood something like 25 vs. 15 but 33 vs. 5 is a major discrepancy that was not indicative of the game itself.
 
[quote="Knight" post=326515]I'd like to think the refs do not come into our games looking to screw us. However, I do think that they tire of Mullin's antics and players complaints. As far as staying from the coaches box, when you curse and complain the whole game you are not going to be given much leeway.[/quote]

If I am not mistaken the refs back was to Mullin when he called the T. I'd bet the T was more about what Mullin said than about the coaching box.
 
[quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=326517][quote="fordham96" post=326513][quote="Moose" post=326508][quote="ron " post=326506][quote="Moose" post=326504]Overall we've been called for 536 (258th) fouls this year. Opponents have been called for 482 (253rd).

In Big East play its 305(10th in BE) to 252 (8th)[/quote]

Our defensive strategy relies a lot on stealing the ball which means we get a lot of reach in fouls. The difference is probably reasonable.[/quote]

Agree. The ranking difference especially in smaller test case like BE isn't much. If our opponents were ranked Top 4 and we were 10 I'd say there is a bigger problem. Again we are earning what's getting called. If we shut our mouths and stopped flailing our arms at every whistle it would be non story.[/quote]

Agreed the idea that free throw or foul disparity is somehow always attributed to bad officiating is nonsense. Suck it up and play better.

You think Xavier has been getting a favorable whistle when they were 3-8? You think the officials are favoring a 36 year old first year coach, Travis Steele, because suddenly they have won 5 in a row? They have won 5 in a row because they are playing better on both sides of the court.[/quote]

See what you're saying, but honestly I would think most teams foul at roughly the same rate. It's not like we weren't driving...we were. X took lots of jumpers actually. I get if we were just shooting all day long and all they did was drive...then it makes sense, but I don't recall a major difference in that regard. Like I said, I would've understood something like 25 vs. 15 but 33 vs. 5 is a major discrepancy that was not indicative of the game itself.[/quote]

If it was 33-5 and they lost by a bucket in OT I would care.

But they trailed by double figures for most of that game last night and if you looked at it from a non-partisan standpoint the better team won that game last night. At least the better team for one night. So I am not getting worked up over 1 stat when I think the team that deserved to win last night actually did win. Get mad at the SHU game from 12/29, because you can argue the team that deserved to win that night didn't.

And keep in mind if Xavier could make Free Throws they would have been up by 20+ for most of the 2nd half.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:
 
[quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

I actually thought it was Richmond who held him back but that might have been a different time.
 
[quote="Moose" post=326521][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:[/quote]

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Mitch!
 
[quote="fordham96" post=326522][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

I actually thought it was Richmond who held him back but that might have been a different time.[/quote]

It might have been. I'm still reeling from shock likely which is why it's a blur
 
[quote="fordham96" post=326513][quote="Moose" post=326508][quote="ron " post=326506][quote="Moose" post=326504]Overall we've been called for 536 (258th) fouls this year. Opponents have been called for 482 (253rd).

In Big East play its 305(10th in BE) to 252 (8th)[/quote]

Our defensive strategy relies a lot on stealing the ball which means we get a lot of reach in fouls. The difference is probably reasonable.[/quote]

Agree. The ranking difference especially in smaller test case like BE isn't much. If our opponents were ranked Top 4 and we were 10 I'd say there is a bigger problem. Again we are earning what's getting called. If we shut our mouths and stopped flailing our arms at every whistle it would be non story.[/quote]

Agreed the idea that free throw or foul disparity is somehow always attributed to bad officiating is nonsense. Suck it up and play better.

You think Xavier has been getting a favorable whistle when they were 3-8? You think the officials are favoring a 36 year old first year coach, Travis Steele, because suddenly they have won 5 in a row? They have won 5 in a row because they are playing better on both sides of the court.[/quote]

We drive as much as anyone. We should never go a game with less than ten FTs. The refs don’t favor Xavier they disfavor us. Xavier is a sloppy, foul-prone team.
 
For me this is an example of two things being true.

1. Mullin and the players carry on too much and upset the refs.
2. The refs take it out on the team.

I'm not surprised by number two and I do not like number one at all. But I still think the refs version of "punishment" was way over the line last night.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=326522][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

I actually thought it was Richmond who held him back but that might have been a different time.[/quote]

NYCRedmen has some pictures of it. Go look at his thread.

And fordham, I said we still would've lost because of the huge rebound discrepancy, however if the refs played even (forget any home cooking) it would've been a tight game right to the end...then who knows? Crowd would've been way more into it in the final few minutes.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=326529][quote="fordham96" post=326522][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

I actually thought it was Richmond who held him back but that might have been a different time.[/quote]

NYCRedmen has some pictures of it. Go look at his thread.

And fordham, I said we still would've lost because of the huge rebound discrepancy, however if the refs played even (forget any home cooking) it would've been a tight game right to the end...then who knows? Crowd would've been way more into it in the final few minutes.[/quote]

I just posted about this on the Jungle.

To give an example:

Just because the Yankees lost game 3 of the ALDS 16-1 last year, does not mean that Angel Hernandez should get off the hook for his lousy first base umpiring that night. I thought he should have been taken off home plate in game 4, because he was controversial figure, even in the blowout.

Last night's game was a lot like that, although I think the bad refereeing had more of an impact on how the game was played, though that's probably the nature of basketball vs. baseball.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=326539]Think it was Chris Huey (DBO)[/quote]

Yeah that was him.
I guess he took Matic's job.
Can't say I've ever seen him on the bench prior to last night. Especially that high up.
 
[quote="Moose" post=326521][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:[/quote]

It was actually 3 or 4 guys and they weren't holding Mulling back at all. Mullin was just very hot and they were just trying to corral him and keep him from getting another T. No one physically restrained him, wasn't like he was out of control.

The one thing I will say is most of the time when Mullin is bitching at refs I agree with the bad call he is protesting. Some are just pretty ridiculously bad, and as a fan I get pretty hot too. (At MSG Sunday a nasty old woman a supposed sju fan turned to be at halftime and lectured me that I think every call against St. John's ius a bad call). But I'm a fan and entitled so long as I don't bother people around me (Another subject - fans who do that really effing annoy me with stupid loud comments all game). But Mullin is a coach, not a fan, and he really has to move past being obsessed with bad calls and the refs and focus on coaching.

All coaches, and I mean ALL, bitch and moan at refs. When you do it continually, unless you back it up with a perennially ranked team that gets you privilege (see Boeheim) refs start to disrespect you and become vindictive. I'm not saying Chris should stop it, but just tone it down about 40%
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=326542][quote="Moose" post=326521][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:[/quote]

It was actually 3 or 4 guys and they weren't holding Mulling back at all. Mullin was just very hot and they were just trying to corral him and keep him from getting another T. No one physically restrained him, wasn't like he was out of control.

The one thing I will say is most of the time when Mullin is bitching at refs I agree with the bad call he is protesting. Some are just pretty ridiculously bad, and as a fan I get pretty hot too. (At MSG Sunday a nasty old woman a supposed sju fan turned to be at halftime and lectured me that I think every call against St. John's ius a bad call). But I'm a fan and entitled so long as I don't bother people around me (Another subject - fans who do that really effing annoy me with stupid loud comments all game). But Mullin is a coach, not a fan, and he really has to move past being obsessed with bad calls and the refs and focus on coaching.

All coaches, and I mean ALL, bitch and moan at refs. When you do it continually, unless you back it up with a perennially ranked team that gets you privilege (see Boeheim) refs start to disrespect you and become vindictive. I'm not saying Chris should stop it, but just tone it down about 40%[/quote]

Come on. What is the difference between corral as you say and me saying holding back? It's the same thing and you know it. Yes he wasn't charging at the officials. But when one coach is standing between you and him and the other is tugging at his arm I'd say it's holding back. Let's agree on that.

When it was shown on TV it was 2 coaches. Not 3 or 4. But you were there and if you say 3 or 4 I'll defer to you. When shown on TV is all I can speak to was what I saw and there was nobody else close in the shot.
 
[quote="Moose" post=326547][quote="Beast of the East" post=326542][quote="Moose" post=326521][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:[/quote]

It was actually 3 or 4 guys and they weren't holding Mulling back at all. Mullin was just very hot and they were just trying to corral him and keep him from getting another T. No one physically restrained him, wasn't like he was out of control.

The one thing I will say is most of the time when Mullin is bitching at refs I agree with the bad call he is protesting. Some are just pretty ridiculously bad, and as a fan I get pretty hot too. (At MSG Sunday a nasty old woman a supposed sju fan turned to be at halftime and lectured me that I think every call against St. John's ius a bad call). But I'm a fan and entitled so long as I don't bother people around me (Another subject - fans who do that really effing annoy me with stupid loud comments all game). But Mullin is a coach, not a fan, and he really has to move past being obsessed with bad calls and the refs and focus on coaching.

All coaches, and I mean ALL, bitch and moan at refs. When you do it continually, unless you back it up with a perennially ranked team that gets you privilege (see Boeheim) refs start to disrespect you and become vindictive. I'm not saying Chris should stop it, but just tone it down about 40%[/quote]

Come on. What is the difference between corral as you say and me saying holding back? It's the same thing and you know it. Yes he wasn't charging at the officials. But when one coach is standing between you and him and the other is tugging at his arm I'd say it's holding back. Let's agree on that.

When it was shown on TV it was 2 coaches. Not 3 or 4. But you were there and if you say 3 or 4 I'll defer to you. When shown on TV is all I can speak to was what I saw and there was nobody else close in the shot.[/quote]

Not attacking you, but didn't want others to think that Mullin had to be physically restrained. This wasn't Jeff Van Gundy wrapping his arms around someone's legs to keep them off the court.

I'm just tired.. Are you?

This is a great clip. Man I loved those Knick teams where every game was a war.

 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=326548][quote="Moose" post=326547][quote="Beast of the East" post=326542][quote="Moose" post=326521][quote="Marillac" post=326519][quote="Moose" post=326516]Everyone keeps talking about the coaching box issue. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was just a warning. It didn't have any direct or even indirect impact on the game. Instead of popping a fit and pushing the issue you return to your coaching box and move on.

(BTW) found it interesting that a GA was trying to pull Mullin back.

The tech on Mullin and Ponds pretty much sealed the game.[/quote]

Who is that GA and why is he so involved?[/quote]

Last night was the first time I ever really saw him. I mean he was with Mullin at midcourt pulling him back. It was either Greg or Mitch there as well. Not sure why I can't remember who. Would be shocked if it was Mitch to be honest. Unless the chair was broke.:whistle:[/quote]

It was actually 3 or 4 guys and they weren't holding Mulling back at all. Mullin was just very hot and they were just trying to corral him and keep him from getting another T. No one physically restrained him, wasn't like he was out of control.

The one thing I will say is most of the time when Mullin is bitching at refs I agree with the bad call he is protesting. Some are just pretty ridiculously bad, and as a fan I get pretty hot too. (At MSG Sunday a nasty old woman a supposed sju fan turned to be at halftime and lectured me that I think every call against St. John's ius a bad call). But I'm a fan and entitled so long as I don't bother people around me (Another subject - fans who do that really effing annoy me with stupid loud comments all game). But Mullin is a coach, not a fan, and he really has to move past being obsessed with bad calls and the refs and focus on coaching.

All coaches, and I mean ALL, bitch and moan at refs. When you do it continually, unless you back it up with a perennially ranked team that gets you privilege (see Boeheim) refs start to disrespect you and become vindictive. I'm not saying Chris should stop it, but just tone it down about 40%[/quote]

Come on. What is the difference between corral as you say and me saying holding back? It's the same thing and you know it. Yes he wasn't charging at the officials. But when one coach is standing between you and him and the other is tugging at his arm I'd say it's holding back. Let's agree on that.

When it was shown on TV it was 2 coaches. Not 3 or 4. But you were there and if you say 3 or 4 I'll defer to you. When shown on TV is all I can speak to was what I saw and there was nobody else close in the shot.[/quote]

Not attacking you, but didn't want others to think that Mullin had to be physically restrained. This wasn't Jeff Van Gundy wrapping his arms around someone's legs to keep them off the court.

I'm just tired.. Are you?[/quote]

Definitely wasn't Van Gundy esque. But I do feel he's becoming more demonstrative as season goes on. Stress is showing more than ever. Case in point you saying he needs to scale it back 40%. That's a significant number.

And yes I'm tired. Very tired after the last 4 years.
 
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