Harrison from Three

[simplyred]

Has dlo ever scored a field goal by slam dunking the basketball?

I don't remember him doing so.

He did earlier this year. Might have been against Nova. I recall being surprised because I couldn't remember him ever doing it.

Ive seen just about every basket sans the second half of Georgetown. I don't remember him dunking. He can though, has done so in warm-ups.

I definitely commented on it at the time. That's why I'm sure it happened. Just not sure which game. Check the Seton Hall game, when we were opening up the lead, if you have it on DVR.

Definitely wasnt seton hall. Im not gonna go back and watch but I haven't seen it this year. Could have been Georgetown but then again he only hit one shot that game and I think I remember it.

Wasn't Georgetown. We were leading and things were going well at the time. I chalked it up to the adrenaline that he experiencing at that moment.

 

[logen]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

 

[beast of the east]

Admittedly Harrison has not hit the winning shot too often and has missed critical FTs occasionally at crunch time. That said, he often keeps us in the game early when rest of team looks like deer in headlights. Butler is a good example, when he prevented us from being down by big deficit early.

He is a gutsy, fearless player who draws fouls, has a nice medium range game, but is spotty on threes. With his warts, who else do you want to have the ball in difficult periods of a game? Perhaps Jordan, but no one else comes to mind. This volume scorer will be accorded due respect in time, as noted in post above. Let's enjoy him.
It is interesting how he is put under microscope so often. As the end of last season showed, we would be even more mediocre without him.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you say, but merely scoring points with a poor shooting percentage does not make you a great player, or even very good. In basketball, there are always poor teams where the best offensive player leads the team in scoring, and often his poorer shooting is one reason the team lost. When you say who else would you rather have shooting, well, there are guys on the team that shoot the same or better. Granted, on a bad team you probably would have lost anyways, but replace those numbers with even acceptable numbers (45%) and this team would be winning more, considering the margin of most of our losses.

 

[usguard]

Admittedly Harrison has not hit the winning shot too often and has missed critical FTs occasionally at crunch time. That said, he often keeps us in the game early when rest of team looks like deer in headlights. Butler is a good example, when he prevented us from being down by big deficit early.

He is a gutsy, fearless player who draws fouls, has a nice medium range game, but is spotty on threes. With his warts, who else do you want to have the ball in difficult periods of a game? Perhaps Jordan, but no one else comes to mind. This volume scorer will be accorded due respect in time, as noted in post above. Let's enjoy him.
It is interesting how he is put under microscope so often. As the end of last season showed, we would be even more mediocre without him.

Yes that is why we have a team one player can never make a team win it all Others have to step up Harrison is doing well

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

With the shot clock down to 2 I figure Hooper had to unload. You think my post is negative Harrison? I don't care about the 3 pt records. He's our best player and does not ask permission to shoot. Does lighting up the NJIT's of the world mean anything. Maybe he is clutch.

If it wasn't a negative it sure was masked that way. Considering a lot of posters have lamented lately that he 'chokes' down the stretch. He is a volume scorer and will leave SJU as most likely the 3rd best scorer in history yet will be arguably one of the most criticized. He is the perfect Robin to a Batman. Problem is we don't have a Batman. We don't even know if we have another Robin. As Austour pointed out if someone else like Sheed can become a viable option down the stretch it opens up the game for everyone.

Harrison has won me over with his 110% effort ,self control, and leadership. He's turned a bad attitude into a good attitude, and I've done a 180 on him as a fan.

But, before the season, I had written that unless Harrison improves his shooting percentage, it's going to be a long season. At 39% from the field and 34% from three, this is simply not good enough from your leading scorer to be a winning team. It does appear that his shooting % is ZERO in the clutch, but really, a big time scorer who does not shoot well can't be a huge asset. I agree he may be cut out to be a #2 option, but consider that the ultimate "Robin" was Scottie Pippen, and for his career he shot 47% from the field. No matter where he shakes out in terms of career scorers at SJU, poor shooting will have prevented us from winning. Consider that if he was shooting 49% from the field instead of 39%, it's likely we'd be 5-2 and not 2-5 in conference.

FWIW here are some notable SJU players career FG %

Frank Alagia .405
Gus Alfieri .436
Ron Artest .445
Walter berry .586
Reggie Carter .473
Mel Davis .473
Sonny Dove .477
Zendon Hamilton .475
Boo Harvey .448
MArk Jackson .510
George Johnson .500
Felipe Lopez .415
Kevin Loughery .475
Bob McIntyre .457
Charles Minlend .492
Chris Mullin .550
Billy Paultz .486
David Russell .546
Bill Schaeffer .560
Malik Sealy .494
Alan Seiden .404
John Warren .511
Bill Wennington .579
Glenn Williams .519
Jayson Williams .550
Bob Zawoluk .436

You referenced Scottie Pippen. Who is an NBA player, arguably one of the Top 100 of all time and oh 6'8 to boot. People fawn over Archipoddamus and look at his shooting %'s. Call me nuts. Call me so much of a Harrison homer I can't see it another way. But I have a hard time criticizing the leading scorer on a team in the way the majority of the fan base does. While numbers the past two years might have been up overall, his first year we saw his best percentage from 3. The fact that Moe was around sure helped. I think we all could agree that if Moe stuck around a 2nd year both of their numbers would have continued to climb. Harrison saw his shooting % increase actually but 3's dropped.

Lastly you mentioned a lot of players above. I will immediately dismiss big men for obvious reasons. But I don't know a lot of the guards. Before my time. Did they drive penetrate and get shorter FG's, layups, etc? Harrison only this year has started to really show a mid range game which is good. So many ways to shake it. You said if he improved to 49% as opposed to 39% you could change our record to 5-2 instead of 2-5. Well what if we had a PG who penetrated a dished with more regularity. Or a big man with some post moves. Or another weapon from the outside. On and on and on. By the way. Marcus Hatten shot 40.5% from the field. 29% from 3 and 73% from the line.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think perception is going to change when he leaves when fans see the grass isn't always greener.

Moose, I didn't cull those players. These are the players the SJU website lists as our best players of all time, for the ones where shooting percentage was recorded. If those are our greatest players, Harrison would rank near or at the bottom in terms of shooting percentage. Some of them played on teams that weren't very good, but you seem to absolve Harrison's poor shooting as a reason our teams haven't been very good. Again, I'm not dumping on him, because he is just about my favorite player right now, but he is playing so far below his potential as a shooter that I'm starting to wonder if he is just a bad shooter and is at his peak in terms of potential. Give him any accolade you want, but for my money if he finishes his career here with the same shooting numbers or worse and is in the top 5 all time scorers it will be tainted because he will not compare to the guys on the list I provided. You can dismiss all you want, but consider that both Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin shot over 50% here as guards, and Mullin actually 55%, which is incredible considering some of his shots were from another zip code.

 

[Moose]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

 

[Moose]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

With the shot clock down to 2 I figure Hooper had to unload. You think my post is negative Harrison? I don't care about the 3 pt records. He's our best player and does not ask permission to shoot. Does lighting up the NJIT's of the world mean anything. Maybe he is clutch.

If it wasn't a negative it sure was masked that way. Considering a lot of posters have lamented lately that he 'chokes' down the stretch. He is a volume scorer and will leave SJU as most likely the 3rd best scorer in history yet will be arguably one of the most criticized. He is the perfect Robin to a Batman. Problem is we don't have a Batman. We don't even know if we have another Robin. As Austour pointed out if someone else like Sheed can become a viable option down the stretch it opens up the game for everyone.

Harrison has won me over with his 110% effort ,self control, and leadership. He's turned a bad attitude into a good attitude, and I've done a 180 on him as a fan.

But, before the season, I had written that unless Harrison improves his shooting percentage, it's going to be a long season. At 39% from the field and 34% from three, this is simply not good enough from your leading scorer to be a winning team. It does appear that his shooting % is ZERO in the clutch, but really, a big time scorer who does not shoot well can't be a huge asset. I agree he may be cut out to be a #2 option, but consider that the ultimate "Robin" was Scottie Pippen, and for his career he shot 47% from the field. No matter where he shakes out in terms of career scorers at SJU, poor shooting will have prevented us from winning. Consider that if he was shooting 49% from the field instead of 39%, it's likely we'd be 5-2 and not 2-5 in conference.

FWIW here are some notable SJU players career FG %

Frank Alagia .405
Gus Alfieri .436
Ron Artest .445
Walter berry .586
Reggie Carter .473
Mel Davis .473
Sonny Dove .477
Zendon Hamilton .475
Boo Harvey .448
MArk Jackson .510
George Johnson .500
Felipe Lopez .415
Kevin Loughery .475
Bob McIntyre .457
Charles Minlend .492
Chris Mullin .550
Billy Paultz .486
David Russell .546
Bill Schaeffer .560
Malik Sealy .494
Alan Seiden .404
John Warren .511
Bill Wennington .579
Glenn Williams .519
Jayson Williams .550
Bob Zawoluk .436

You referenced Scottie Pippen. Who is an NBA player, arguably one of the Top 100 of all time and oh 6'8 to boot. People fawn over Archipoddamus and look at his shooting %'s. Call me nuts. Call me so much of a Harrison homer I can't see it another way. But I have a hard time criticizing the leading scorer on a team in the way the majority of the fan base does. While numbers the past two years might have been up overall, his first year we saw his best percentage from 3. The fact that Moe was around sure helped. I think we all could agree that if Moe stuck around a 2nd year both of their numbers would have continued to climb. Harrison saw his shooting % increase actually but 3's dropped.

Lastly you mentioned a lot of players above. I will immediately dismiss big men for obvious reasons. But I don't know a lot of the guards. Before my time. Did they drive penetrate and get shorter FG's, layups, etc? Harrison only this year has started to really show a mid range game which is good. So many ways to shake it. You said if he improved to 49% as opposed to 39% you could change our record to 5-2 instead of 2-5. Well what if we had a PG who penetrated a dished with more regularity. Or a big man with some post moves. Or another weapon from the outside. On and on and on. By the way. Marcus Hatten shot 40.5% from the field. 29% from 3 and 73% from the line.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think perception is going to change when he leaves when fans see the grass isn't always greener.

Moose, I didn't cull those players. These are the players the SJU website lists as our best players of all time, for the ones where shooting percentage was recorded. If those are our greatest players, Harrison would rank near or at the bottom in terms of shooting percentage. Some of them played on teams that weren't very good, but you seem to absolve Harrison's poor shooting as a reason our teams haven't been very good. Again, I'm not dumping on him, because he is just about my favorite player right now, but he is playing so far below his potential as a shooter that I'm starting to wonder if he is just a bad shooter and is at his peak in terms of potential. Give him any accolade you want, but for my money if he finishes his career here with the same shooting numbers or worse and is in the top 5 all time scorers it will be tainted because he will not compare to the guys on the list I provided. You can dismiss all you want, but consider that both Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin shot over 50% here as guards, and Mullin actually 55%, which is incredible considering some of his shots were from another zip code.

You're picking 2 NBA HOF'ers there!!!!

 

[logen]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

With the shot clock down to 2 I figure Hooper had to unload. You think my post is negative Harrison? I don't care about the 3 pt records. He's our best player and does not ask permission to shoot. Does lighting up the NJIT's of the world mean anything. Maybe he is clutch.

If it wasn't a negative it sure was masked that way. Considering a lot of posters have lamented lately that he 'chokes' down the stretch. He is a volume scorer and will leave SJU as most likely the 3rd best scorer in history yet will be arguably one of the most criticized. He is the perfect Robin to a Batman. Problem is we don't have a Batman. We don't even know if we have another Robin. As Austour pointed out if someone else like Sheed can become a viable option down the stretch it opens up the game for everyone.

Harrison has won me over with his 110% effort ,self control, and leadership. He's turned a bad attitude into a good attitude, and I've done a 180 on him as a fan.

But, before the season, I had written that unless Harrison improves his shooting percentage, it's going to be a long season. At 39% from the field and 34% from three, this is simply not good enough from your leading scorer to be a winning team. It does appear that his shooting % is ZERO in the clutch, but really, a big time scorer who does not shoot well can't be a huge asset. I agree he may be cut out to be a #2 option, but consider that the ultimate "Robin" was Scottie Pippen, and for his career he shot 47% from the field. No matter where he shakes out in terms of career scorers at SJU, poor shooting will have prevented us from winning. Consider that if he was shooting 49% from the field instead of 39%, it's likely we'd be 5-2 and not 2-5 in conference.

FWIW here are some notable SJU players career FG %

Frank Alagia .405
Gus Alfieri .436
Ron Artest .445
Walter berry .586
Reggie Carter .473
Mel Davis .473
Sonny Dove .477
Zendon Hamilton .475
Boo Harvey .448
MArk Jackson .510
George Johnson .500
Felipe Lopez .415
Kevin Loughery .475
Bob McIntyre .457
Charles Minlend .492
Chris Mullin .550
Billy Paultz .486
David Russell .546
Bill Schaeffer .560
Malik Sealy .494
Alan Seiden .404
John Warren .511
Bill Wennington .579
Glenn Williams .519
Jayson Williams .550
Bob Zawoluk .436

You referenced Scottie Pippen. Who is an NBA player, arguably one of the Top 100 of all time and oh 6'8 to boot. People fawn over Archipoddamus and look at his shooting %'s. Call me nuts. Call me so much of a Harrison homer I can't see it another way. But I have a hard time criticizing the leading scorer on a team in the way the majority of the fan base does. While numbers the past two years might have been up overall, his first year we saw his best percentage from 3. The fact that Moe was around sure helped. I think we all could agree that if Moe stuck around a 2nd year both of their numbers would have continued to climb. Harrison saw his shooting % increase actually but 3's dropped.

Lastly you mentioned a lot of players above. I will immediately dismiss big men for obvious reasons. But I don't know a lot of the guards. Before my time. Did they drive penetrate and get shorter FG's, layups, etc? Harrison only this year has started to really show a mid range game which is good. So many ways to shake it. You said if he improved to 49% as opposed to 39% you could change our record to 5-2 instead of 2-5. Well what if we had a PG who penetrated a dished with more regularity. Or a big man with some post moves. Or another weapon from the outside. On and on and on. By the way. Marcus Hatten shot 40.5% from the field. 29% from 3 and 73% from the line.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think perception is going to change when he leaves when fans see the grass isn't always greener.

Moose, I didn't cull those players. These are the players the SJU website lists as our best players of all time, for the ones where shooting percentage was recorded. If those are our greatest players, Harrison would rank near or at the bottom in terms of shooting percentage. Some of them played on teams that weren't very good, but you seem to absolve Harrison's poor shooting as a reason our teams haven't been very good. Again, I'm not dumping on him, because he is just about my favorite player right now, but he is playing so far below his potential as a shooter that I'm starting to wonder if he is just a bad shooter and is at his peak in terms of potential. Give him any accolade you want, but for my money if he finishes his career here with the same shooting numbers or worse and is in the top 5 all time scorers it will be tainted because he will not compare to the guys on the list I provided. You can dismiss all you want, but consider that both Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin shot over 50% here as guards, and Mullin actually 55%, which is incredible considering some of his shots were from another zip code.

You're picking 2 NBA HOF'ers there!!!!

How about Reggie Carter and Boo Harvey?

 

[austour]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

 

[Moose]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Interesting I was referring to the Greene shot in Prov game not even the Hooper one. I wasnt a fan of the TYPE of shot Hooper took. I have no issue with him shooting but it was on the move. He needs to be sitting in a spot stationed as has been said number of times by me and others. Also we could have gone for 2 instead of 3 there. But thats nit picking after the fact. I was referring to Phil vs. Prov.

 

[Moose]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

With the shot clock down to 2 I figure Hooper had to unload. You think my post is negative Harrison? I don't care about the 3 pt records. He's our best player and does not ask permission to shoot. Does lighting up the NJIT's of the world mean anything. Maybe he is clutch.

If it wasn't a negative it sure was masked that way. Considering a lot of posters have lamented lately that he 'chokes' down the stretch. He is a volume scorer and will leave SJU as most likely the 3rd best scorer in history yet will be arguably one of the most criticized. He is the perfect Robin to a Batman. Problem is we don't have a Batman. We don't even know if we have another Robin. As Austour pointed out if someone else like Sheed can become a viable option down the stretch it opens up the game for everyone.

Harrison has won me over with his 110% effort ,self control, and leadership. He's turned a bad attitude into a good attitude, and I've done a 180 on him as a fan.

But, before the season, I had written that unless Harrison improves his shooting percentage, it's going to be a long season. At 39% from the field and 34% from three, this is simply not good enough from your leading scorer to be a winning team. It does appear that his shooting % is ZERO in the clutch, but really, a big time scorer who does not shoot well can't be a huge asset. I agree he may be cut out to be a #2 option, but consider that the ultimate "Robin" was Scottie Pippen, and for his career he shot 47% from the field. No matter where he shakes out in terms of career scorers at SJU, poor shooting will have prevented us from winning. Consider that if he was shooting 49% from the field instead of 39%, it's likely we'd be 5-2 and not 2-5 in conference.

FWIW here are some notable SJU players career FG %

Frank Alagia .405
Gus Alfieri .436
Ron Artest .445
Walter berry .586
Reggie Carter .473
Mel Davis .473
Sonny Dove .477
Zendon Hamilton .475
Boo Harvey .448
MArk Jackson .510
George Johnson .500
Felipe Lopez .415
Kevin Loughery .475
Bob McIntyre .457
Charles Minlend .492
Chris Mullin .550
Billy Paultz .486
David Russell .546
Bill Schaeffer .560
Malik Sealy .494
Alan Seiden .404
John Warren .511
Bill Wennington .579
Glenn Williams .519
Jayson Williams .550
Bob Zawoluk .436

You referenced Scottie Pippen. Who is an NBA player, arguably one of the Top 100 of all time and oh 6'8 to boot. People fawn over Archipoddamus and look at his shooting %'s. Call me nuts. Call me so much of a Harrison homer I can't see it another way. But I have a hard time criticizing the leading scorer on a team in the way the majority of the fan base does. While numbers the past two years might have been up overall, his first year we saw his best percentage from 3. The fact that Moe was around sure helped. I think we all could agree that if Moe stuck around a 2nd year both of their numbers would have continued to climb. Harrison saw his shooting % increase actually but 3's dropped.

Lastly you mentioned a lot of players above. I will immediately dismiss big men for obvious reasons. But I don't know a lot of the guards. Before my time. Did they drive penetrate and get shorter FG's, layups, etc? Harrison only this year has started to really show a mid range game which is good. So many ways to shake it. You said if he improved to 49% as opposed to 39% you could change our record to 5-2 instead of 2-5. Well what if we had a PG who penetrated a dished with more regularity. Or a big man with some post moves. Or another weapon from the outside. On and on and on. By the way. Marcus Hatten shot 40.5% from the field. 29% from 3 and 73% from the line.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think perception is going to change when he leaves when fans see the grass isn't always greener.

Moose, I didn't cull those players. These are the players the SJU website lists as our best players of all time, for the ones where shooting percentage was recorded. If those are our greatest players, Harrison would rank near or at the bottom in terms of shooting percentage. Some of them played on teams that weren't very good, but you seem to absolve Harrison's poor shooting as a reason our teams haven't been very good. Again, I'm not dumping on him, because he is just about my favorite player right now, but he is playing so far below his potential as a shooter that I'm starting to wonder if he is just a bad shooter and is at his peak in terms of potential. Give him any accolade you want, but for my money if he finishes his career here with the same shooting numbers or worse and is in the top 5 all time scorers it will be tainted because he will not compare to the guys on the list I provided. You can dismiss all you want, but consider that both Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin shot over 50% here as guards, and Mullin actually 55%, which is incredible considering some of his shots were from another zip code.

You're picking 2 NBA HOF'ers there!!!!

How about Reggie Carter and Boo Harvey?

Before my time as a fan so I don't know. Wasn't Harvey a PG? Did he shoot the 3 or long jumper like Harrison or drive?

 

[GardenCity62]

Because basketball is a team game there are so many variables involved in comparing players. From his first game Harrison has been either one or two as the player to stop as far as the opposing team is concerned. When Mark Jackson first took the court he saw Mullin, Berry and Wennington along side. Defenses were not too concerned about Mark.
Harrison has never benefitted from having a big man who could finish a play near the basket which opens up the court for outside shooters.

 

[beast of the east]

Because basketball is a team game there are so many variables involved in comparing players. From his first game Harrison has been either one or two as the player to stop as far as the opposing team is concerned. When Mark Jackson first took the court he saw Mullin, Berry and Wennington along side. Defenses were not too concerned about Mark.
Harrison has never benefitted from having a big man who could finish a play near the basket which opens up the court for outside shooters.

This can be spun a million ways, but the reality is it's very hard to win consistently when your main scorer shoots so poorly. There can be a lot of reasons for it and not all on him, if you prefer to see it that way, but you can't have your "go-to" guy shoot 34% from three, and less than 40% from the field, and hope to win half your games or more.

 

[logen]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Interesting I was referring to the Greene shot in Prov game not even the Hooper one. I wasnt a fan of the TYPE of shot Hooper took. I have no issue with him shooting but it was on the move. He needs to be sitting in a spot stationed as has been said number of times by me and others. Also we could have gone for 2 instead of 3 there. But thats nit picking after the fact. I was referring to Phil vs. Prov.

My bad, no I was not a fan of the play mostly because Greene does not take the ball strong to the hole. In fairness time was running out and I remember the drive and knew Greene would shoot so I don't know if he had pass options; time was certainly a factor so I will not kill him. As for Hooper's shot, I thought it was a great look but he didn't stick it. I think more of Hooper than most here but the fact is he did not take advantage of the minutes he got. As a bench player you take advantage or you don't. I am somewhat disappointed but he has certainly not shown enough that I have any problem with him back to the bench. Ideally, in that (the Grrene) situation the ball would be in Jordan's hands. He goes strong, can finish in traffic, seems to have a decent jumper and certainly can hit the open man. I think the fact that Lavin has not given him the ball (and to a lesser degree used Branch) has been a big mistake. Reminds me of Louie's similar reluctance to play underclassmen over upperclassmen (see Moses/Jackson and Buchanan/ Cain.) Frustrated me then, frustrates me now. I am VERY curious as to who Lavin will play in the backcourt tonight. Start the team that started against Butler and keep Jordan/Branch on the court together for most of the night while keeping at least one of them the whole night. Much better defensive backcourt. Talking to a coaching buddy last night who thought Harrison should dog Wragge on the perimeter, felt he could do the job and would offer the opportunity for Harrison to leak out for some easy hoops; thought it was an interesting idea.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Interesting I was referring to the Greene shot in Prov game not even the Hooper one. I wasnt a fan of the TYPE of shot Hooper took. I have no issue with him shooting but it was on the move. He needs to be sitting in a spot stationed as has been said number of times by me and others. Also we could have gone for 2 instead of 3 there. But thats nit picking after the fact. I was referring to Phil vs. Prov.

Also the shot in either the end of regulation or first overtime when Dlo gave it up to Sanchez off the roll and he missed the three. I think the anti-clutch Harrison thing is overused. I dont think it really is a clutch thing, I think he just happened to miss those shots, which happens. If he makes the next big shot people will say he is clutch.

 

[Moose]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Interesting I was referring to the Greene shot in Prov game not even the Hooper one. I wasnt a fan of the TYPE of shot Hooper took. I have no issue with him shooting but it was on the move. He needs to be sitting in a spot stationed as has been said number of times by me and others. Also we could have gone for 2 instead of 3 there. But thats nit picking after the fact. I was referring to Phil vs. Prov.

Also the shot in either the end of regulation or first overtime when Dlo gave it up to Sanchez off the roll and he missed the three. I think the anti-clutch Harrison thing is overused. I dont think it really is a clutch thing, I think he just happened to miss those shots, which happens. If he makes the next big shot people will say he is clutch.

Wasn't that after a timeout? Reading the game thread it seemed like most killed the idea because it seems like we came out of TO with that specific play. Actually it really falls into the mindset that we don't know whats called and what isn't. Maybe it was for Harrison and he waited too long and had to dish it.

 

[Jack Williams]

Admittedly Harrison has not hit the winning shot too often and has missed critical FTs occasionally at crunch time. That said, he often keeps us in the game early when rest of team looks like deer in headlights. Butler is a good example, when he prevented us from being down by big deficit early.

He is a gutsy, fearless player who draws fouls, has a nice medium range game, but is spotty on threes. With his warts, who else do you want to have the ball in difficult periods of a game? Perhaps Jordan, but no one else comes to mind. This volume scorer will be accorded due respect in time, as noted in post above. Let's enjoy him.
It is interesting how he is put under microscope so often. As the end of last season showed, we would be even more mediocre without him.

And just because he has not hit a clutch this year, does not mean he is not clutch.

Do you guys remember last season?
I recall him hitting clutch shots.

Against,

Cincinnati, Notre Dame, and Seton Hall

He was clutch in all of those games, two of which were against top 25 teams.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Interesting I was referring to the Greene shot in Prov game not even the Hooper one. I wasnt a fan of the TYPE of shot Hooper took. I have no issue with him shooting but it was on the move. He needs to be sitting in a spot stationed as has been said number of times by me and others. Also we could have gone for 2 instead of 3 there. But thats nit picking after the fact. I was referring to Phil vs. Prov.

Also the shot in either the end of regulation or first overtime when Dlo gave it up to Sanchez off the roll and he missed the three. I think the anti-clutch Harrison thing is overused. I dont think it really is a clutch thing, I think he just happened to miss those shots, which happens. If he makes the next big shot people will say he is clutch.

Wasn't that after a timeout? Reading the game thread it seemed like most killed the idea because it seems like we came out of TO with that specific play. Actually it really falls into the mindset that we don't know whats called and what isn't. Maybe it was for Harrison and he waited too long and had to dish it.

Cant remember if it was out of TO or not. It was a great look, Sanchez missed a wide open 3 from top of the key.