Harrison from Three

28% on the year, 38% from the entire floor thus far.
What's really a killer is we have to live with these numbers.
We don't have any other weapons.
 
28% on the year, 38% from the entire floor thus far.
What's really a killer is we have to live with these numbers.
We don't have any other weapons.
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At least he is 82% from the line.
 
28% on the year, 38% from the entire floor thus far.
What's really a killer is we have to live with these numbers.
We don't have any other weapons.
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It is not the low %s that have been hurting the team when it comes to Harrison, it is his straying from the offensive game plan and forcing those shots that he often misses. Samspon suffers from the same me-first offensive mentality.
Harrsion has taken 114 shots.........our other weapons Sanchez (37), Jordan (39) and Greene (62), have better percentages but do not take enough shots. Sanchez, in particular, in a very shy shooter. Lavin needs to emphasize sharing the offensive load.
Fans to not have to live with it as 3,000 empty seats in the biggest game of the year shows.
 
We are just not going to win with Harrison chucking. Thank you to "Class of 72" who gave us the shot totals. You just can't have someone taking all of those shots with that kind of percentage.

D'LO should concentrate on driving to the basket, and also taking the 15-17 ft. pull up jumper.
 
I guess I am probably the biggest defender of Harrison's "chucking." The sad part is a tough shot by Harrison is still better than a wide open shot by anyone else. That said, I think Harrison learned today that he doesn't have to hit 5 or more treys for us to be in the game against a quality opponent. Our best offense today was Rysheed penetrating. It's been a long, long time since I could have said that our best offense was anything but a Harrison shot.

I'd like to see more inside-out shot attempts...like the one he did hit. Harrison is money when he gets to "organize the puppies" as Raf put it. Problem is, he probably takes the highest % of his treys in the country off the bounce or after holding it for a few seconds. He has to limit THOSE attempts. I still think any open pull-up trey or any set trey by Harrison is a good shot.
 
You make a good point regarding the types of treys he takes. I am not sure he has the discipline to give up those bad shots, but it would certainly help if he did.

In case it wasn't obvious, Harrison's game drives me nuts. I recognize the positives, but I feel like these "types" of players dazzle you with individual talent, but never win in the long run.
 
Curious to know why coach brought in Marco or Hooper if he is not going to play them. If he let Hooper shoot as many 3s as greene or branch think we might have beat Wisc Can not understand why we can not penetrate ,cut and dish with the talent we have .Seems we just refuse to set picks and keep passing and moving until we get uncontested shots Every team we played so far their guards have no difficulty getting past our guards then either take a short jumper or dish for the three or drop of to one of the forwards for easy baskets That's what we should be doing Hope Rasheed starts living up to expectations he is not a one and done player
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What games have you been watching? If you believe no sets has been ran, then that is your prerogative. But there isn't any truth to it.

The opposition is shooting 39% from the field and 31% behind the arc.

Here are the shots taken from behind the arc from the players you've mentioned above:

Branch is 0-1
Greene is 4-12
Hooper is 1-8

There have been too many situations where guards are getting into the lane, and we'll have to tightened that up as the season goes on.

Finally, who is this "Rasheed" you continue to speak of? Oh! Maybe, Rasheed Wallace. He's also a Philly native. I guess that is where the confusion comes in.
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Hey it's really funny that different fans, all experts, see different things. What you call an offensive set looks a lot to me like a simple zone offense with two wings stationed in the seems of a zone, a guard up top, and two guys down low trying to get free. We never ever see anyone screening, not even two guys down low, synchronizing a screen with a pass to a wing to be wide open. To me it looks like you are trying to demonstrate a superior knowledge to claim there is any semblance of offensive cohesiveness or play execution going on out there. To me, there simply isn't and that is why too often, Harrison gets bored, frustrated, and just launches a long three that the defense is more than willing to let him shoot.
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Simply not true. Did you watch the Syracuse game? We difinately had a plan against their zone. There was a screen on every possesion in the half court.
 
I guess I am probably the biggest defender of Harrison's "chucking." The sad part is a tough shot by Harrison is still better than a wide open shot by anyone else. That said, I think Harrison learned today that he doesn't have to hit 5 or more treys for us to be in the game against a quality opponent. Our best offense today was Rysheed penetrating. It's been a long, long time since I could have said that our best offense was anything but a Harrison shot.

I'd like to see more inside-out shot attempts...like the one he did hit. Harrison is money when he gets to "organize the puppies" as Raf put it. Problem is, he probably takes the highest % of his treys in the country off the bounce or after holding it for a few seconds. He has to limit THOSE attempts. I still think any open pull-up trey or any set trey by Harrison is a good shot.
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I don't see how he learned that when he spent the last 3 minutes of the Cuse game exclusively looking for his own and throwing up nonsense shots. I do agree that Lavin's refusal to give enough minutes to the shooters he recruited to see what they can do or try to create a "40 minutes of hell" tempo has helped create the end game situation with Harrison. The bottom line is Harrison is a scorer not a shooter; when he lets the game come to him he is a very effective player; when he tries to "take over" not so much.
 
I think Lavin is really trying to coach these players. I am happy with the way the season has gone so far. The players are working hard and trying to play within a system. I am still excited about this season.
 
28% on the year, 38% from the entire floor thus far.
What's really a killer is we have to live with these numbers.
We don't have any other weapons.
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I disagree we have to live with those numbers because with those numbers we are losing games we should win. We have to change our approach to game and take advantage of our strengths, scramble the game so we play at the speed advantageous to us. I still am amazed at the approach to the Syracuse game because IMO Lavin planned to the Cuse's reputation not their current personnel and style. I don't believe the Cuse tried to push the ball once the entire game but except for the small window in the 2nd half Lavin never tried to force tempo. We recruited two shooters and Lavin has never given either enough court time to see if they can contribute. Cooney did nothing for the Cuse but those who understand the game know his movement and the fact he occupied a defender opened up the lanes for other players, notably Ennis. There are ways to take advantage of having a shooter that has to be accounted for on the court. You can't take advantage of that by only giving these guys cameos. As for defense which is a favorite topic when Hooper or Bourgault are mentioned, please come back with specifics because with the short spurts of court time they have gotten there is no real indication either one is a liability any more than other players playing major minutes.
 
I guess I am probably the biggest defender of Harrison's "chucking." The sad part is a tough shot by Harrison is still better than a wide open shot by anyone else. That said, I think Harrison learned today that he doesn't have to hit 5 or more treys for us to be in the game against a quality opponent. Our best offense today was Rysheed penetrating. It's been a long, long time since I could have said that our best offense was anything but a Harrison shot.

I'd like to see more inside-out shot attempts...like the one he did hit. Harrison is money when he gets to "organize the puppies" as Raf put it. Problem is, he probably takes the highest % of his treys in the country off the bounce or after holding it for a few seconds. He has to limit THOSE attempts. I still think any open pull-up trey or any set trey by Harrison is a good shot.
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I don't see how he learned that when he spent the last 3 minutes of the Cuse game exclusively looking for his own and throwing up nonsense shots. I do agree that Lavin's refusal to give enough minutes to the shooters he recruited to see what they can do or try to create a "40 minutes of hell" tempo has helped create the end game situation with Harrison. The bottom line is Harrison is a scorer not a shooter; when he lets the game come to him he is a very effective player; when he tries to "take over" not so much.
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I think most of the learning process starts after the last whistle. I'm sure the staff broke down the stats and the film for him and his teammates. The reality is that if St. John's attempted to drive the ball or get inside with passes on all of the three point attemps, they probably win the game. Every bad shot by Harrison is a learning opportunity for the staff to help him recognize what is a good shot and what is a bad shot.
 
Curious to know why coach brought in Marco or Hooper if he is not going to play them. If he let Hooper shoot as many 3s as greene or branch think we might have beat Wisc Can not understand why we can not penetrate ,cut and dish with the talent we have .Seems we just refuse to set picks and keep passing and moving until we get uncontested shots Every team we played so far their guards have no difficulty getting past our guards then either take a short jumper or dish for the three or drop of to one of the forwards for easy baskets That's what we should be doing Hope Rasheed starts living up to expectations he is not a one and done player
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What games have you been watching? If you believe no sets has been ran, then that is your prerogative. But there isn't any truth to it.

The opposition is shooting 39% from the field and 31% behind the arc.

Here are the shots taken from behind the arc from the players you've mentioned above:

Branch is 0-1
Greene is 4-12
Hooper is 1-8

There have been too many situations where guards are getting into the lane, and we'll have to tightened that up as the season goes on.

Finally, who is this "Rasheed" you continue to speak of? Oh! Maybe, Rasheed Wallace. He's also a Philly native. I guess that is where the confusion comes in.
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Hey it's really funny that different fans, all experts, see different things. What you call an offensive set looks a lot to me like a simple zone offense with two wings stationed in the seems of a zone, a guard up top, and two guys down low trying to get free. We never ever see anyone screening, not even two guys down low, synchronizing a screen with a pass to a wing to be wide open. To me it looks like you are trying to demonstrate a superior knowledge to claim there is any semblance of offensive cohesiveness or play execution going on out there. To me, there simply isn't and that is why too often, Harrison gets bored, frustrated, and just launches a long three that the defense is more than willing to let him shoot.
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Simply not true. Did you watch the Syracuse game? We difinately had a plan against their zone. There was a screen on every possesion in the half court.
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The Fordham and Syracuse games were different form when that was posted. Were you asleep the last two weeks?
 
@StJohnsBBall: D'Angelo Harrison is now 19th in #SJUBB history with 1,381 career points, having recently passed Shelton Jones and legend Alan Seiden.
 
If he plays the rest of the games this season, and say 30 next season and averages 18 per-- will be around 2150.
 
If he plays the rest of the games this season, and say 30 next season and averages 18 per-- will be around 2150.
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If he's not injured and everyone comes back, only playing 30 games would be a complete bust. Hopefully gets to pad his stats with at least four or five more games than that.
 
I really hope Harrison isn't gonna concern himself with meaningless scoring records. Look at the balanced scoring we had vs the Hall. That's what this team's goal should be on offense, move and share the ball. If we're as talented as everyone thinks we are we should have multiple scoring options.
 
Good shot at 2,000 career points!
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I would love to see him break into the top 5
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I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.
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I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well
 
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