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Curious to know why coach brought in Marco or Hooper if he is not going to play them. If he let Hooper shoot as many 3s as greene or branch think we might have beat Wisc Can not understand why we can not penetrate ,cut and dish with the talent we have .Seems we just refuse to set picks and keep passing and moving until we get uncontested shots Every team we played so far their guards have no difficulty getting past our guards then either take a short jumper or dish for the three or drop of to one of the forwards for easy baskets That's what we should be doing Hope Rasheed starts living up to expectations he is not a one and done player
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What games have you been watching? If you believe no sets has been ran, then that is your prerogative. But there isn't any truth to it.

The opposition is shooting 39% from the field and 31% behind the arc.

Here are the shots taken from behind the arc from the players you've mentioned above:

Branch is 0-1
Greene is 4-12
Hooper is 1-8

There have been too many situations where guards are getting into the lane, and we'll have to tightened that up as the season goes on.

Finally, who is this "Rasheed" you continue to speak of? Oh! Maybe, Rasheed Wallace. He's also a Philly native. I guess that is where the confusion comes in.
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Hey it's really funny that different fans, all experts, see different things. What you call an offensive set looks a lot to me like a simple zone offense with two wings stationed in the seems of a zone, a guard up top, and two guys down low trying to get free. We never ever see anyone screening, not even two guys down low, synchronizing a screen with a pass to a wing to be wide open. To me it looks like you are trying to demonstrate a superior knowledge to claim there is any semblance of offensive cohesiveness or play execution going on out there. To me, there simply isn't and that is why too often, Harrison gets bored, frustrated, and just launches a long three that the defense is more than willing to let him shoot.
 
Curious to know why coach brought in Marco or Hooper if he is not going to play them.
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This has some validity. Coach seems to have liked the idea of recruiting some one dimensional players, so called dead eye shooters who need some help from the offense in terms of them being wide open, set and squared. Then he gives them very limited plying time and when on the floor have to fend for themselves to get the ball in position to shoot, and not just receive it as a last option when a dribbler gets exhausted or bottled up. If you are serious about these guys contributing, you have to run something for them while they are in, and they have to be treated a little differently if they really are superior shooters.
 
What games have you been watching? If you believe no sets has been ran, then that is your prerogative. But there isn't any truth to it.
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Yeah, I hear Tom Izzo is getting tape of our games to add our wrinkles to his coaching arsenal.

The opposition is shooting 39% from the field and 31% behind the arc.
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We are using the term "opposition" loosely for Bucknell, Monmouth, Longwood and Wagner, right?

Here are the shots taken from behind the arc from the players you've mentioned above:

Branch is 0-1
Greene is 4-12
Hooper is 1-8
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Yup, nobody can shoot.
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
 
Harrison reminds me of Vinny Johnson in when he starts scoring he scores very quickly.

His freshman year from what I remember was him starting very slow from downtown for more than several games to start the season and people questioning his shooting and then he went nuts from downtown.

He is the type of guy that needs the green light because he can be ice cold for 30 minutes and then nail 5 in a row
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
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If I was Marillac I would pull up my thread from last year where I compared player A and B and the stats were identical. It was Russ and Dee :)
 
What games have you been watching? If you believe no sets has been ran, then that is your prerogative. But there isn't any truth to it.
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Yeah, I hear Tom Izzo is getting tape of our games to add our wrinkles to his coaching arsenal.

The opposition is shooting 39% from the field and 31% behind the arc.
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We are using the term "opposition" loosely for Bucknell, Monmouth, Longwood and Wagner, right?

Here are the shots taken from behind the arc from the players you've mentioned above:

Branch is 0-1
Greene is 4-12
Hooper is 1-8
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Yup, nobody can shoot.
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I was only merely bringing his quotes to light. But I'll gladly start to make half-baked opinions and convey 'em as facts.
 
To me it looks like you are trying to demonstrate a superior knowledge to claim there is any semblance of offensive cohesiveness or play execution going on out there. To me, there simply isn't and that is why too often, Harrison gets bored, frustrated, and just launches a long three that the defense is more than willing to let him shoot.
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I'm not trying to demonstrate anything, other than I have seen sets ran. If I said, I've seen sets being consistently ran or ran most possessions, then you may have a point. But I never said such.
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
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I've seen Russ Smith on many occasions take a few bounces to get himself in rhythm to shoot the ball. I've seen Smith shoot quite a few times, per freelancing. Thing is Smith is quicker; has a better handle; and, just as crafty, as Harrison.
 
Can we start to agree that Harrison is simply a lousy three point shooter? The bottom line is that it is bad business to have someone, who shoots below 30% from the arc, chucking all of these threes.

Harrison from three this year 22.9% (this is particularly horrible)
Harrison from three last year 31.5% (well below 30% in BE competitions)

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There are so few picks, screens, drives to the basket. There is also very little movement without the ball. I would start rewarding those who pass with minutes.

I know I am an extremist on this topic, but I one of those fans who believe we are better without Harrison. I love his intensity, but as long as we have a coach that let's them play without much structure........happy chucking.
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What a truly stupid post. We wouldn't win 15 games if Harrison didn't take threes. He has missed some good shots early but that will even out. Look at his freshman three point %...you know the year he Brooke the all-time St. John's record for threes made in a season.

And if you think we are better without Harrison you are shot beyond repair.
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He also has ice in his veins and hits them when they really count.
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That may be true, but too often the ice is in his hands. A guy can't be off for 2 seasons and still be called a deadeye shooter and NBA prospect.
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I have never called him an nba prospect and think he had zero chance of ever donning an nba uni. The kid will make nice money overseas
 
Can we start to agree that Harrison is simply a lousy three point shooter? The bottom line is that it is bad business to have someone, who shoots below 30% from the arc, chucking all of these threes.

Harrison from three this year 22.9% (this is particularly horrible)
Harrison from three last year 31.5% (well below 30% in BE competitions)

OFFENSIVE OFFENSE
There are so few picks, screens, drives to the basket. There is also very little movement without the ball. I would start rewarding those who pass with minutes.

I know I am an extremist on this topic, but I one of those fans who believe we are better without Harrison. I love his intensity, but as long as we have a coach that let's them play without much structure........happy chucking.
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What a truly stupid post. We wouldn't win 15 games if Harrison didn't take threes. He has missed some good shots early but that will even out. Look at his freshman three point %...you know the year he Brooke the all-time St. John's record for threes made in a season.

And if you think we are better without Harrison you are shot beyond repair.
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He also has ice in his veins and hits them when they really count.
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That may be true, but too often the ice is in his hands. A guy can't be off for 2 seasons and still be called a deadeye shooter and NBA prospect.
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Who is calling him an NBA prospect?
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Hmm.. I think that coming into this season, a lot of guys on here were proclaiming him an NBA draft pick. If we are going to be a top twenty team, and he is going to be one of our top two offensive weapons, he's got to shoot better. He can still be one of our top two offensive weapons, but if he shoots like this, we aren't going to be a top 20 team.
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
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I've seen Russ Smith on many occasions take a few bounces to get himself in rhythm to shoot the ball. I've seen Smith shoot quite a few times, per freelancing. Thing is Smith is quicker; has a better handle; and, just as crafty, as Harrison.
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Can you do me a favor and describe what you think is an offensive set. Honestly, I get bored watching them in a half-court offense, running the famous east-west offense. IF you describe it for me, I'll be on the lookout. Certainly this isn't the famed Duke motion offense. Maybe the quicksand defense that Lavin talks about is applied to offense, and guys just stand around hoping they don't sink as they are anchored to a spot on the floor.
 
Curious to know why coach brought in Marco or Hooper if he is not going to play them.
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This has some validity. Coach seems to have liked the idea of recruiting some one dimensional players, so called dead eye shooters who need some help from the offense in terms of them being wide open, set and squared. Then he gives them very limited plying time and when on the floor have to fend for themselves to get the ball in position to shoot, and not just receive it as a last option when a dribbler gets exhausted or bottled up. If you are serious about these guys contributing, you have to run something for them while they are in, and they have to be treated a little differently if they really are superior shooters.
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Beastie, dead spot on.. Many of us here, perhaps most leaning that way, are wondering why a lot of things defy logic regarding Lavin's Coaching..

Plus, Steve is beginning to wear awful thin with his puff ball comments in describing his players abilities.. Maybe he thinks we are all kool aid drinkers and accept such drivel?

Some of them are embarrassing,i.e. Jordan being the next Jason Kidd at PG. Whoa, Steve..

Yeah, Hooper and Marco are getting no PT of any meaningful dimension.. It's easy to dismiss such kids as a result and maybe that's Lavin's plan..

Then again, one could ask the question as to what plan exists in Steve's free form offense?
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
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I've seen Russ Smith on many occasions take a few bounces to get himself in rhythm to shoot the ball. I've seen Smith shoot quite a few times, per freelancing. Thing is Smith is quicker; has a better handle; and, just as crafty, as Harrison.
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Can you do me a favor and describe what you think is an offensive set. Honestly, I get bored watching them in a half-court offense, running the famous east-west offense. IF you describe it for me, I'll be on the lookout. Certainly this isn't the famed Duke motion offense. Maybe the quicksand defense that Lavin talks about is applied to offense, and guys just stand around hoping they don't sink as they are anchored to a spot on the floor.
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So, you've never seen an offensive set? If you say, 'no,' then we're done with this conversation. No need to go into a verbose reply. Just a simple 'yes' or 'no,' will do. Comprende'? Thanks in advance.

If you're bored with the half-court offense, then I suggest you only watch the games when we're on a fast break. Then, you'll spare yourself from the land of weariness.
 
Russ Smith and Dlo are NOT comparable talents.. Smith is the much better player although he's TO prone. Russ can take over a game and come up with World class play to win a game, the Cards could lose..DLO would not start in Pitino's rotation and frankly, might get as many minutes as Hooper and Marco do.

He's way to slow on defense to play within Rick's system.
 
Russ Smith and Dlo are NOT comparable talents.. Smith is the much better player although he's TO prone. Russ can take over a game and come up with World class play to win a game, the Cards could lose..DLO would not start in Pitino's rotation and frankly, might get as many minutes as Hooper and Marco do.

He's way to slow on defense to play within Rick's system.
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False. The comparison last year was eerily similar.

And D'Lo has hit more than his fair share of huge shots over his career. Russ has had a much better supporting cast so he can get away with more stuff.

I'm not happy with D'Lo's shooting but I'm not going to just hate on the kid for no reason.
 
D'Angelo is currently shooting 23% from 3.

IMO, he is a good shooter from 3. But a combination of his piss poor shot selection (pulling up for 3 on fast breaks and his 22 foot+ threes) and our lack of an offensive system hurts him.

I think D'Angelo is as good as Russ Smith.

Both players have green lights. However, Russ is in a more structured offensive system. So while Russ can get off shots because they have proper spacing and their bigs actually know what setting screens are for, our offense is just a freelance system.

The day when/if we stop playing pickup ball, we'll see his consistency pick up.
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I've seen Russ Smith on many occasions take a few bounces to get himself in rhythm to shoot the ball. I've seen Smith shoot quite a few times, per freelancing. Thing is Smith is quicker; has a better handle; and, just as crafty, as Harrison.
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Can you do me a favor and describe what you think is an offensive set. Honestly, I get bored watching them in a half-court offense, running the famous east-west offense. IF you describe it for me, I'll be on the lookout. Certainly this isn't the famed Duke motion offense. Maybe the quicksand defense that Lavin talks about is applied to offense, and guys just stand around hoping they don't sink as they are anchored to a spot on the floor.
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So, you've never seen an offensive set? If you say, 'no,' then we're done with this conversation. No need to go into a verbose reply. Just a simple 'yes' or 'no,' will do. Comprende'? Thanks in advance.

If you're bored with the half-court offense, then I suggest you only watch the games when we're on a fast break. Then, you'll spare yourself from the land of weariness.
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No, I'm asking you what we are running in half court, since all I see are guys standing around in the formation I described, very little rhyme or reason to the motion. I'm not bored when I watch our opponents dissect our zone or man and they run a crisp half court set, either designed to spring a cutter off a pick for an easy layup, or a wide open shooter. I'm not busting on you - I don't see any of that and if you know basketball if you could tell me what you think they are running in half court and explain it a little, then I'd watch more carefully. For example, are we stacking our two big man in a double post; is there a floater running baseline. Is there a rotation where there are screens and cuts, picks and rolls - I don't see any of that, and you inferred you are seeing something.
 
Beast, I have to agree with you. I see nothing happening on offense. I know the UCLA fans grew tired of this. I am trying to figure out if Lavin is not capable or if this is just his offensive philosophy. For me, it's disappointing. I love the X's and O's of basketball.

And just in case I wasn't going to get yelled at by another member, let me add the ole' "Bring back Dunlap!" call. Sorry, just remembering Dwight Hardy making some sweet pick & roll passes.
 
Can we start to agree that Harrison is simply a lousy three point shooter? The bottom line is that it is bad business to have someone, who shoots below 30% from the arc, chucking all of these threes.

Harrison from three this year 22.9% (this is particularly horrible)
Harrison from three last year 31.5% (well below 30% in BE competitions)

OFFENSIVE OFFENSE
There are so few picks, screens, drives to the basket. There is also very little movement without the ball. I would start rewarding those who pass with minutes.

I know I am an extremist on this topic, but I one of those fans who believe we are better without Harrison. I love his intensity, but as long as we have a coach that let's them play without much structure........happy chucking.
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What a truly stupid post. We wouldn't win 15 games if Harrison didn't take threes. He has missed some good shots early but that will even out. Look at his freshman three point %...you know the year he Brooke the all-time St. John's record for threes made in a season.

And if you think we are better without Harrison you are shot beyond repair.
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He also has ice in his veins and hits them when they really count.
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That may be true, but too often the ice is in his hands. A guy can't be off for 2 seasons and still be called a deadeye shooter and NBA prospect.
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Who is calling him an NBA prospect?
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Hmm.. I think that coming into this season, a lot of guys on here were proclaiming him an NBA draft pick. If we are going to be a top twenty team, and he is going to be one of our top two offensive weapons, he's got to shoot better. He can still be one of our top two offensive weapons, but if he shoots like this, we aren't going to be a top 20 team.
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Me and Marillac alternate and President and Vice President of the Harrison fan club and we both know and have said numerous times he will never sniff an NBA roster. I don't know who called him an NBA player. Maybe someone who hangs with Lavin :)
 
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