Harrison from Three

[capmaker]

http://nypost.com/2014/03/05/ex-rutgers-coach-rice-helped-sjus-harrison/

 

[howcudubsoharkless]

Very interesting article thanks for posting. Time will tell if both rice and harrison have learned from their mistakes

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

 

[panther2]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

Check out endings of must win Georgetown and Creighton games and see what Harrison did. Nuff said !!!!!

 

[Section9]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

Well said for our resident DLo basher, and congrats on the thank you from your new disciple. :dry:

 

[T6K0E6]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

Well said for our resident DLo basher, and congrats on the thank you from your new disciple. :dry:

I am a big supporter of Harrison, but he is simply not the big time player a very good team needs to lead the way in crunch time. He may be our best option, but in no way should be the only option. Harrison has failed way more in the clutch than he has come through. I'd much rather have the ball in an ever improving Jordan's hands because any guy on the floor may see a very easy shot, keeping defenses honest.

 

[Joeche]

Isn't Marcus Hatten #1 on that list?

 

[Section9]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

Well said for our resident DLo basher, and congrats on the thank you from your new disciple. :dry:

I am a big supporter of Harrison, but he is simply not the big time player a very good team needs to lead the way in crunch time. He may be our best option, but in no way should be the only option. Harrison has failed way more in the clutch than he has come through. I'd much rather have the ball in an ever improving Jordan's hands because any guy on the floor may see a very easy shot, keeping defenses honest.

Sheed's an excellent second option but he's forced it at the end too. The reason DLo's got the ball at crunch time is because Lavin wants him to have it and DLo wants it as well. There aren't that many players who relish the opportunity to have the ball when the game's on the line, give him credit for that too.

 

[beast of the east]

Good shot at 2,000 career points!

I would love to see him break into the top 5

I would love to see him win a game for us down the stretch.

I'd love to see someone else on the team step up so a defense doesn't know who's taking the shot. Oh wait someone tried that in Prov game. Didn't work out so well

Yeah, how dare someone else take a shot at the end of the game; I mean amazingly Harrison has never missed one; he's the reason we have that great record in close games.

Um yeah. That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. :dry:

Game on the line who do you want taking a shot? Curious to your response.

Oh and coaching the other team SJU with the last shot who are you focusing on?

Loaded question; if it is an open shot, a GOOD shot, I would want Harrison or Jordan. Since we know Harrison will be dogged, make a play for someone else and live with the results. Good teams have more than one option, not this guy shoots no matter what. The truth of the situation is much too often it has been Harrison shoots and it has not worked out very well. A question back, if Hooper's shot went in would you feel differently about Harrison or bust?

Another way to look at it is that when you come down to the last play or two of a game, refs often do not give guards the benefit of the doubt on contact on the way to the basket. I think I'd rather see Sanchez or Sampson taking it strong to the hole than a forced outside shot by Harrison or anyone else for that matter. At this point it doesn't appear that even Harrison is confident that the ball is going in on release.

I think with the improved PG play we are seeing I hope we will also see the team expanding its options in end of game situations, or at least I would hope we would.

That has been our problem no outside shooting beyond Harrison. So yes, he needs to be the one .Problem every team we play knows that is our weakness and Defends us accordingly

Harrison usually doesn't rise to the occasion, so as a final option we are no more than a 40% chance to score with him taking the final shot, and I'm guessing that in crunch time he has shot much worse than that. So there is our problem right there - in a close game as the clock winds down, with Harrison taking the final shots, chances are that we are going to lose.

Well said for our resident DLo basher, and congrats on the thank you from your new disciple. :dry:

I am a big supporter of Harrison, but he is simply not the big time player a very good team needs to lead the way in crunch time. He may be our best option, but in no way should be the only option. Harrison has failed way more in the clutch than he has come through. I'd much rather have the ball in an ever improving Jordan's hands because any guy on the floor may see a very easy shot, keeping defenses honest.

Sheed's an excellent second option but he's forced it at the end too. The reason DLo's got the ball at crunch time is because Lavin wants him to have it and DLo wants it as well. There aren't that many players who relish the opportunity to have the ball when the game's on the line, give him credit for that too.

I don't disagree with you. We all know Jordan has a ceiling that is incredibly high, but at this point, he can also make big errors. He isn't a big pull up jumper guy, even if he has shown promise as a squared up jump hooter. In general he is much stronger to the hoop than Harrison or any guard, but Harrison is the best FT shooter on the team. My only point is part of the reason we are in the .500 realm in league play is inability to close out games - with Harrison being option #1. Unfortunately, that's a reflection on him as a big time player

 

[MBoutchatski]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

 

[SJU1512]

If we had two of Harrison, this thread would be twice as long, which would be bad.

But, the bubble threads would be replaced by where are we going to be seeded threads, which would be good. Because if we had another player as talented as he is we'd have been locked up a few weeks ago.

 

[ccnobz]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

 

[beast of the east]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

 

[ccnobz]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

And? All I said was the team would be at best 6-11 without him. Xavier played great D on him, no doubt. I have no idea where this team would be with Hardy.

 

[Moose]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

45% from the field
35% from 3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/st-johns/dwight-hardy

 

[beast of the east]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

And? All I said was the team would be at best 6-11 without him. Xavier played great D on him, no doubt. I have no idea where this team would be with Hardy.

Well, is it really meaningful to say if you took the high scorer off of our team without a scorer off the bench that we'd have won 3 less games in conference? You could also say if you took the top 5 players off the team they go 0-18, but would it mean they are anything special?

 

[beast of the east]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

45% from the field
35% from 3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/st-johns/dwight-hardy

Considerably better, plus during their run, he was without a doubt one of the top guards in the country. Granted it was just a run, because he pleayed like that for a full season, he'd have been a first round pick.

 

[MBoutchatski]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

45% from the field


http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/st-johns/dwight-hardy

A lot better than harrison...

 

[Moose]

Umm have you forgotten the kid has ice in his veins, shooting 87% from the FT line. Even down the stretch with the game on the line the kid does not miss. He is by far my favorite player, plays with his heart on his sleeve and every game is must win to him.

did you forget the penn state game?

How can you knock Harrison, the team would be 6-11 at best without him in the BE.

Question then. Where would this team be with Dwight Hardy (another non-NBA player) instead of Harrison? Or a guard who could score 18 ppg while shooting closer to 50% and an ability to close out games in the last 3 minutes. I love Harrison because he was on the brink of being kicked off the team, and came back to be a solid citizen and team leader. But still with an NCAA bid on the line against Xavier, he shoots 1-11, which in a huge game is a gigantic failure. A better player would have come up bigger, or if he were a scorer, still managed to make a few chippies to improve his stat line. I would want him on any SJU team that I can remember because his heart is gigantic, but to be a serious NCAA contender, your high scorer has got to be a better shooter.

45% from the field
35% from 3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/st-johns/dwight-hardy

Considerably better, plus during their run, he was without a doubt one of the top guards in the country. Granted it was just a run, because he pleayed like that for a full season, he'd have been a first round pick.

I'm far from a math major. But the difference between 38% and 45% is how many missed shots turned into made shots a game. I could be totally wrong but guessing somewhere between 1 and 2?