The NCAA Tournament Thread

Jack Williams said:
Shaka kinda annoys me sometimes especially when he does his defensive stance stuff on the sideline (and often beyond the sideline haha)

But I am happy for the guy getting his career back on track here in the Big East.

That Texas tenure was downright weird. Talent everywhere but never very good
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I like Shaka and it’s without question that he can Coach the lights out .
Would he fit at L’ville ? Probably .

The only thing I dislike about him is his wardrobe . I can’t stand the Polo Shirt over a long sleeve T shirt look .

Pitino picked up the CMA Best Dressed BE Coach Award . Mostly tie and suit or sports jacket and slacks . Never the popular Quarter Zip logo pullover . Neptune wears a Jacket mostly but , no tie . English is pretty well turned out too . Even he’s wearing the logo PC shirt too being young helps too .
Hurley wears a Jacket , no tie but , looks like he slept in the entire outfit .
 
OLV72 said:
Value? I didn't realize that gambling had any value besides a temporary thrill.
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Absolutely. Can risk low to win a decent amount

I’ll use golf as an example. From a few weeks ago Scottie Sheffler who is the number 1 golfer in the world these days is listed at +400 odds to win a tournament and the next best golfer was listed at +1200 odds who was Rory mcclroy. There really was no value in betting Sheffler. I’d rather take the other golfers at plus 2000-4000 who all have won tournaments before over Sheffler at those odds with a full field of golfers. Can risk smaller to win a good amount as opposed to having to lay out more money to win on the shorter odds.

Now how it turned out Sheffler did happen to win this tournament so not really a great example based on the result.

But earlier this year. At the genesis open. Hideki matsuama was for some reason listed at +6600 odds to win a tournament. That’s amazing value for a great golfer. I jumped on him and he happened to win. But if he lost it’s still great value and I love the value bets. .
 
Eric said:
Absolutely. Can risk low to win a decent amount

I’ll use golf as an example. From a few weeks ago Scottie Sheffler who is the number 1 golfer in the world these days is listed at +400 odds to win a tournament and the next best golfer was listed at +1200 odds who was Rory mcclroy. There really was no value in betting Sheffler. I’d rather take the other golfers at plus 2000-4000 who all have won tournaments before over Sheffler at those odds with a full field of golfers. Can risk smaller to win a good amount as opposed to having to lay out more money to win on the shorter odds.

Now how it turned out Sheffler did happen to win this tournament so not really a great example based on the result.

But earlier this year. At the genesis open. Hideki matsuama was for some reason listed at +6600 odds to win a tournament. That’s amazing value for a great golfer. I jumped on him and he happened to win. But if he lost it’s still great value and I love the value bets. .
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Also not a good example in that there were 140 players in the tournament and the worst would be equivalent to high-mid-major powers so in reality anyone of them, or at least 60 or so could have won. Even Keegan. ;) Big difference between that and picking one out of 13 besides NC St, Clemson and SD St.

You got lucky with Hideki though I agree those odds were great for a past Masters champ, albeit one who's been hampered by neck/back problems in the past couple years or so and hadn't won in over 2 years. Guess they thought he'd have issues walking up that hill on the 18th. I know I did.

The longer odds teams in the Sweet Sixteen are far more reasonable bets, I agree.
 
austour said:
Also not a good example in that there were 140 players in the tournament and the worst would be equivalent to high-mid-major powers so in reality anyone of them, or at least 60 or so could have won. Even Keegan. ;) Big difference between that and picking one out of 13 besides NC St, Clemson and SD St.

You got lucky with Hideki though I agree those odds were great for a past Masters champ, albeit one who's been hampered by neck/back problems in the past couple years or so and hadn't won in over 2 years. Guess they thought he'd have issues walking up that hill on the 18th. I know I did.

The longer odds teams in the Sweet Sixteen are far more reasonable bets, I agree.
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If Hideki was at +2000 I wouldn’t have bet him. I know it sounds dumb becasue those odds are still decent overall.

That thinking screwed me with brooks koepka last year. I took him in the masters at plus 4500. He choked against rham and pissed me off that when he was 2300 in the next major I hated that his odds “dropped” to that. Of course he won that one.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
I like Shaka and it’s without question that he can Coach the lights out .
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2015/16 Texas: highest AP ranking 24, NCAA lost in first round
2016/17 Texas: highest AP ranking 21, finished 11-22, 4-14 in the league
2017/18 Texas: highest AP ranking none, NCAA lost in first round
2018/19 Texas: highest AP ranking 17, NIT Champion
2019/20 Texas: highest AP ranking 22, tournament cancelled
2020/21 Texas: highest AP ranking 4, NCAA lost in first round
21/22 Marquette: highest AP ranking 18, NCAA lost in first round
22/23 Marquette: highest AP ranking 6, NCAA lost in second round

23/24 Marquette - in the Sweet 16 - It's good to have Tyler Kolek!
 
So far in the NCAAs, creighton, Marquette and UCONN are 6-0 against teams in the tourney.

Seton Hall, St. John's and Providence all were deemed unworthy to play in the tournament. However their respective records vs. those 3 teams are 2-4, 1-5, and 2-4.

My .Beast analysis shows that these 3 teams left at home would have had a better chance of beating the top 3 big east teams in the tourney, well, because they did in the regular season.

Seems like BE teams were penalized for playing in a league with 3 of the top 10 teams.

No surprise Creighton, Marquette and UCONN advanced. They were battle tested against SHU, SJU, and Prov who all should have danced.
 
Eric said:
Absolutely. Can risk low to win a decent amount

I’ll use golf as an example. From a few weeks ago Scottie Sheffler who is the number 1 golfer in the world these days is listed at +400 odds to win a tournament and the next best golfer was listed at +1200 odds who was Rory mcclroy. There really was no value in betting Sheffler. I’d rather take the other golfers at plus 2000-4000 who all have won tournaments before over Sheffler at those odds with a full field of golfers. Can risk smaller to win a good amount as opposed to having to lay out more money to win on the shorter odds.

Now how it turned out Sheffler did happen to win this tournament so not really a great example based on the result.

But earlier this year. At the genesis open. Hideki matsuama was for some reason listed at +6600 odds to win a tournament. That’s amazing value for a great golfer. I jumped on him and he happened to win. But if he lost it’s still great value and I love the value bets. .
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Thanks Eric. I appreciate the explanation and follow the rationale about avoiding odds that are too short. I've been losing money on horses for a long time. Long enough to know to stay away from betting on other sports. There is a value I get out of losing a small amount of money betting on horses. It can't explain it, but for me, it is part of the experience following a sport that I still enjoy more than any other.

I did bet one time through a co-worker who regularly bet with a bookie. It was 80 or 81 and we were playing either Uconn or BC at Alumni Hall. It was a six- or seven-point spread. We were up 12 or 15 most of the second half. Lou pulled the starters with two minutes to go. We didn't defend their last lay-up that cost me $25. I lost half my weekly take home pay on that play. I turned to my friend Ralph (current member of 114) and said that I would never bet again on a point spread. Ralph enjoys telling this story more than I do, but I have kept my word.
 
OLV72 said:
Thanks Eric. I appreciate the explanation and follow the rationale about avoiding odds that are too short. I've been losing money on horses for a long time. Long enough to know to stay away from betting on other sports. There is a value I get out of losing a small amount of money betting on horses. It can't explain it, but for me, it is part of the experience following a sport that I still enjoy more than any other.

I did bet one time through a co-worker who regularly bet with a bookie. It was 80 or 81 and we were playing either Uconn or BC at Alumni Hall. It was a six- or seven-point spread. We were up 12 or 15 most of the second half. Lou pulled the starters with two minutes to go. We didn't defend their last lay-up that cost me $25. I lost half my weekly take home pay on that play. I turned to my friend Ralph (current member of 114) and said that I would never bet again on a point spread. Ralph enjoys telling this story more than I do, but I have kept my word.
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Great story even though you lost. I can tell you plenty on my end!! Both good and bad.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Ackerman and the School AD’s need to take a strong stand with the NCAA. On this Selection Committee farce.
Tell them , none of our BE teams will participate next year , if we see a repeat failure on the Sunday selection show .
I would say , a minimum of 6 BE should be guaranteed to play every year .
Or , else the BE will make other decisions . Including TV rights , etc .
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This is typically what a bad CEO does. She's basically shifting the blame from herself and telling everybody that it is the fault of the school's AD's and that they need to be the one's to do her job. She's worthless and shameless. She should be fired. She has no clue.
 
gcjohnny said:
What an absolute racket - the SEC and big 12 get paid most to flame out of the tournament. What a joke. So corrupt.

We could have all our teams advance to final four and still wouldn’t Match their units.
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As in "it is in CBS and ESPN interest to promote football schools over BE".
 
UConn offense is well oiled machine, Bill Murray should be proud of his son’s influence there
 
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