St. John's/Rutgers Game Thread
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You can be optimistic because every game is winnable. Every single one. Don't give me odds or that crap every game can be won. I din't even lose hope last year until the end of the Pitt game. It is the way I am. To me being a fan is sticking with them through the entire thing. Not just throwing my arms up in beginning of January and saying "well that'll do it for this season." That isn't me. And that is not what being a fan is all about IMO. Why not be optimistic? Sure we could be 1-4 by mid next week. We could be 4-4 two weeks later because we get a rematch with Rutgers and play Depaul twice. So far every team we've played in BE play, we have shown we capable of beating, that is something to be optimistic about
Some on this board could find a season full of moral victories without winning a game all year it seems. What were the last 2 recruiting classes ranked, the first one in the top 10 and the 2nd and most recent one in the top 25 right? Look at those other teams on those lists. Guaranteed none are doing as bad as we are right now with all that talent. These are the 08 and 09 Mets...so much talent, yet results never indicate such.
The game reminded me quite a bit of our loss to NC Asheville. First like that game I thought Lavin went away from his longer rotation that used our depth, athleticism and pressure effectively to our advantage. Also like the Asheville game we lost our intensity in stretches. The shorter rotation did not deliver the same level of energy needed to disrupt Rutgers. Finally like the NC Asheville game Lavin locked Branch to the bench when we needed a quarterback on the floor. Defensively Harrison was smothered by Rutgers whenever he had the ball. From my seat in the Garden it appeared that Harrison should have been the off guard with Branch at the point setting him up along with the others on the floor.
Yes we shot free throws poorly and yes we got jobbed on a couple of bad calls, but in the end we played this one closer then we needed it to be. We should have been able to open up a double digit lead with superior effort and athleticism and not been in a position to lose at the end because of a couple of mistakes.
I expect better things from us down the road, but it is hard to make up losses against supposed lighter opponents when we seem to have heavyweights all over our final nine scheduled games. Look at the football Giants early season loss to the Eagles. It was that game that ultimately kept them out of the playoffs.
Yes we shot free throws poorly and yes we got jobbed on a couple of bad calls, but in the end we played this one closer then we needed it to be. We should have been able to open up a double digit lead with superior effort and athleticism and not been in a position to lose at the end because of a couple of mistakes.
I expect better things from us down the road, but it is hard to make up losses against supposed lighter opponents when we seem to have heavyweights all over our final nine scheduled games. Look at the football Giants early season loss to the Eagles. It was that game that ultimately kept them out of the playoffs.
Yeah but then you say something like, "we act like we're Syracuse and are an elite BE team." Maybe it's not that dramatic but we are a storied program, one who has been through some dark times. Under no circumstance should Rutgers come into the Garden and beat us. The culture and the attitude need to change.
Right now these games aren't even fun to watch. Everyone blames the fans who don't show up...Who would pay to see this? My girlfriend is passed out after 10 minutes of these disgusting games. And she's a broad who enjoys watching the Knicks so put it in context.
Every team is capable of being beaten, so how does that make us any more likely to win? It's not an exclusive thing to us. And yes I will give you the "odds crap", because if G'Town played SJ 100 times, G'Town would win 95 times. ND would win 80 times. And we still have not proven we can string wins together. It's always nice win, disappointing loss, win, loss over and over. Can you imagine if D'Lo gets hurt god forbid? We might be like 5-10 right now. When losing games like this becomes acceptable you become the next Kotite or Rex Ryan.
What is your point? What if Carmelo was hurt the entire season? What would the Knicks record be? What if Tom Brady were hurt? Yea teams have worse records when their best player is out, thank you rocket scientist Joe. But the point you are trying to make probably is that we have no scoring options. Which is true. No one else can score. And the odds crap doesn't matter because Cincy could beat us 80 out of 100, but who came away with the W. The out of 100 is useless because all that matters is you play a team once or twice and that is it.
95 out of 100 huh? that sure is "one giant coin flip"
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35.2% 20.0% 55.6%
Those are the pitiful percentages for FG, 3pt and FT, respectively.
If free throw shooting is something you learn by repetition after practice, our guys need more after-practice one-on-one tutoring. Unfortunately, this is not a deficiency that will be corrected any time soon.
Close game? .......all our opponents have to do is foul Chris O. Tonight Harrison did a good job impersonating him at the line!
We are quickly becoming the easiest team to defend. Only one player is an offensive threat.
Tonight Harrison showed some passing ability.....unfortunate that it seemingly took away from his shooting judgment most of the night. He literally shot us out of the game from both the free throw line and his hurried bonehead shots near the end of the game.
Shame on Lavin that when Harrison is hoisting up prayers and Greene is his usual self at PG and shooting 22%, poor Jamal Branch commits one effen turnover after dishing three assists in the space of 6 minutes, and the Great and All Powerful One pulls him and leaves his team vulnerable at the PG position.....again.
For the Marcus' s of the world.....that is where bad game coaching decisions come into play. Not that Lav lost us the game but this is a coach who seemingly has a habit of putting all his eggs in one player's basket.
The Scarlet bench torched us for 31 points, mostly on inside drives. They smelled the freshmen Obekpa and Samspon from the locker room and had no fear driving inside. This is where no Gift and no Sanchez makes us a Dunkin donut up front.
For those who blinked, Maurice Chevalier made his usual cameo appearance but was invisible to his American teammates who totally ignored him when he was open. I counted two occasions where he was in shooting position (the sole purpose of Lav putting him the game) and either Harrison or Greene totally ignored him.......Branch would have been benched twice. If you have an open 3 point shooter and ignore him, it should count as a turnover on this offensively challenged team.
The only encouraging thing I can take from this game is that Orlando Sanchez was at the game and that Brian Mahoney was at least 20 feet from him so as not to rub off any bad karma on him.
Bad night for the bottom-feeding C7 tonight!
35.2% 20.0% 55.6%
Those are the pitiful percentages for FG, 3pt and FT, respectively.
If free throw shooting is something you learn by repetition after practice, our guys need more after-practice one-on-one tutoring. Unfortunately, this is not a deficiency that will be corrected any time soon.
Close game? .......all our opponents have to do is foul Chris O. Tonight Harrison did a good job impersonating him at the line!
We are quickly becoming the easiest team to defend. Only one player is an offensive threat.
Tonight Harrison showed some passing ability.....unfortunate that it seemingly took away from his shooting judgment most of the night. He literally shot us out of the game from both the free throw line and his hurried bonehead shots near the end of the game.
Shame on Lavin that when Harrison is hoisting up prayers and Greene is his usual self at PG and shooting 22%, poor Jamal Branch commits one effen turnover after dishing three assists in the space of 6 minutes, and the Great and All Powerful One pulls him and leaves his team vulnerable at the PG position.....again.
For the Marcus' s of the world.....that is where bad game coaching decisions come into play. Not that Lav lost us the game but this is a coach who seemingly has a habit of putting all his eggs in one player's basket.
The Scarlet bench torched us for 31 points, mostly on inside drives. They smelled the freshmen Obekpa and Samspon from the locker room and had no fear driving inside. This is where no Gift and no Sanchez makes us a Dunkin donut up front.
For those who blinked, Maurice Chevalier made his usual cameo appearance but was invisible to his American teammates who totally ignored him when he was open. I counted two occasions where he was in shooting position (the sole purpose of Lav putting him the game) and either Harrison or Greene totally ignored him.......Branch would have been benched twice. If you have an open 3 point shooter and ignore him, it should count as a turnover on this offensively challenged team.
The only encouraging thing I can take from this game is that Orlando Sanchez was at the game and that Brian Mahoney was at least 20 feet from him so as not to rub off any bad karma on him.
Bad night for the bottom-feeding C7 tonight!
I thought westchester was trying to say that he wanted Branch to be put into the game, and wasnt taking anything away from his play. Could be wrong however.
Well, tonight feels like a good night for venting..
Good point '72... it's worth pointing out the most obvious weakness on this team that pretty much never gets spoken of on the boards: we are an awful shooting team outside of D'angelo.
Jakarr and Chris threw up airballs from 12ft away tonight. And I'm pretty sure that Dom has been told never to take a jump shot again.. either that or he has lost all confidence. Either way that's a sad state of affairs for a player who was ranked in the top25 of his class by some people coming out of HS.
Again - it's never as bad as it appears after a loss, and this is admittedly mostly just venting, but '72 isn't lying with those percentages. We can't shoot.
And we shouldn't act like that doesn't have any effect on our ball movement. it does. we can't spread anybody out. who on this team do you have to guard close besides D'lo?