tom in salem
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Not good enough... How many friggin down years...
This will make all of 2 straight.
Not good enough... How many friggin down years...
Quite frankly, Rutgers was begging to be blown out last night. We just wasn't capable of doing it.
Quite frankly, Rutgers was begging to be blown out last night. We just wasn't capable of doing it.
We are one non foul (Garrett foul in Nova game on three pointer) and one shot (D'Lo or Sampson hitting a shot at end of Rutgers game) from being 3-0. I know you can make the arguement that we are also one missed shot from being 0-3, but we are playing competitive games in Big East again. 4 years ago we were getting blown about by 30 every game with a handful of wins against Rutgets, SFLA, Seton Hall etc. Next year is an important year considering Lavin had to build from scratch. I think getting Jordan and Lawrence is more important than a .500 record this year becuase it continues the build.
I was however acting like a child last night when we lost.
Red Johnnies...said very well.
I was more frustrated then ever last night because I truly felt like they needed this game. With the next two games being Gtown and ND a 1-4 record is highly likely.
That being said, anyone who questions where this program is compared to where it was prior to Lavin needs to have their head examined. If they get Jordan and Lawrence Lavin will finally have talent spread across three years and there will be no turning back. Hopefully the fan base will rally and we can get more than 6k at MSG! Not an excuse, but maybe if there were 12k of rabid fans there last night the Johnnies would have had a little more energy.
You are right, however you can't deny progress. And you have to realistically look at how the team is being built. I am as frustrated as anyone, but we need to keep things in context. If those two plays went our way we would be talking about them as a tournament team. They aren't as bad as people are depicting here and they aren't a tournament team.
We are one non foul (Garrett foul in Nova game on three pointer) and one shot (D'Lo or Sampson hitting a shot at end of Rutgers game) from being 3-0. I know you can make the arguement that we are also one missed shot from being 0-3, but we are playing competitive games in Big East again. 4 years ago we were getting blown about by 30 every game with a handful of wins against Rutgets, SFLA, Seton Hall etc. Next year is an important year considering Lavin had to build from scratch. I think getting Jordan and Lawrence is more important than a .500 record this year becuase it continues the build.
I was however acting like a child last night when we lost.
Red Johnnies...said very well.
I was more frustrated then ever last night because I truly felt like they needed this game. With the next two games being Gtown and ND a 1-4 record is highly likely.
That being said, anyone who questions where this program is compared to where it was prior to Lavin needs to have their head examined. If they get Jordan and Lawrence Lavin will finally have talent spread across three years and there will be no turning back. Hopefully the fan base will rally and we can get more than 6k at MSG! Not an excuse, but maybe if there were 12k of rabid fans there last night the Johnnies would have had a little more energy.
"If".
Who cares about Jordan and Lawrence right now? This team has enough talent to beat a Nova on the road and enough talent to beat a Rutgers at MSG of all places.
What incentive do fans have to come out? At least our excuse last year was that there were only 6 players and you knew everyone would play hard and give it their all.
This team has 2 set plays in its offensive Playbook from what I have seen watching closely this year:
1. Horns- which is a curl play for D'Angelo which is always called on out of bounds plays
2. Some play call (I don't know the name) to get Jakarr a 16-18 foot jumper
That's it. Everything else is just a pray & chuck from D'Angelo or Phil. That is unacceptable.
Guys like Mike Rice can't hold a candle to Steve Lavin's legacy. So why are we being so severely out coached? Why does Marco get a token 2 minutes then yanked for no apparent reason? Why does the offense look more fluid when Branch is out there and he gets yanked? Why does Lavin call (re: bur) timeouts just to talk to the players and not draw anything up?
This is so frustrating. It doesn't take much game tape for another team to watch to figure us out.
We watched D'Angelo repeatedly split the double team, get in the lane and dish it or easy baskets against Rutgers. Phil Greene hasn't done tat once this year. Why does he have the keys to the car?
You can't give an alumnus, a student or a curious tourist reason enough to pay to watch this team play. Sorry.
We are one non foul (Garrett foul in Nova game on three pointer) and one shot (D'Lo or Sampson hitting a shot at end of Rutgers game) from being 3-0. I know you can make the arguement that we are also one missed shot from being 0-3, but we are playing competitive games in Big East again. 4 years ago we were getting blown about by 30 every game with a handful of wins against Rutgets, SFLA, Seton Hall etc. Next year is an important year considering Lavin had to build from scratch. I think getting Jordan and Lawrence is more important than a .500 record this year becuase it continues the build.
I was however acting like a child last night when we lost.
Same sentiment- I remember being at games from 01-09 feeling embarrassed midway through the 2nd half , now when I go its exciting- we have a good shot to beat any team in the Big East on a given night, we couldn't say that 4+ yrs ago.
I really think we should be looking at this season as Lavin's first real season. He was coaching Norm's guys, all of whom seniors and each player knew what the other was capable of. He inherited a good group of players, character individuals as well. He was diagnosed with cancer during the season and only made it public when the season was over. Coached 4 games with only 6/9 players from that heralded recruiting class the next year. Now he is back on the sideline full time with only 4 players from last year and a group of freshman that need to develop. It's clear that Marco can shoot, but not the same JUCO player as Brownlee or Hardy.
This his is first true season with HIS players that HE recruited, give it some time fellas- this team will make you smile this year...and be prepared to lose some hair along way as well lol. Future is bright.
Red Johnnies...said very well.
I was more frustrated then ever last night because I truly felt like they needed this game. With the next two games being Gtown and ND a 1-4 record is highly likely.
That being said, anyone who questions where this program is compared to where it was prior to Lavin needs to have their head examined. If they get Jordan and Lawrence Lavin will finally have talent spread across three years and there will be no turning back. Hopefully the fan base will rally and we can get more than 6k at MSG! Not an excuse, but maybe if there were 12k of rabid fans there last night the Johnnies would have had a little more energy.
"If".
Who cares about Jordan and Lawrence right now? This team has enough talent to beat a Nova on the road and enough talent to beat a Rutgers at MSG of all places.
What incentive do fans have to come out? At least our excuse last year was that there were only 6 players and you knew everyone would play hard and give it their all.
This team has 2 set plays in its offensive Playbook from what I have seen watching closely this year:
1. Horns- which is a curl play for D'Angelo which is always called on out of bounds plays
2. Some play call (I don't know the name) to get Jakarr a 16-18 foot jumper
That's it. Everything else is just a pray & chuck from D'Angelo or Phil. That is unacceptable.
Guys like Mike Rice can't hold a candle to Steve Lavin's legacy. So why are we being so severely out coached? Why does Marco get a token 2 minutes then yanked for no apparent reason? Why does the offense look more fluid when Branch is out there and he gets yanked? Why does Lavin call (re: bur) timeouts just to talk to the players and not draw anything up?
This is so frustrating. It doesn't take much game tape for another team to watch to figure us out.
We watched D'Angelo repeatedly split the double team, get in the lane and dish it or easy baskets against Rutgers. Phil Greene hasn't done tat once this year. Why does he have the keys to the car?
You can't give an alumnus, a student or a curious tourist reason enough to pay to watch this team play. Sorry.
This is why I would care about Jordan and Lawrence right now. If nothing is going to change then we just need to hope we can throw enough talent on the court in the future to win despite the lack of coaching. If we're going to play like an AAU showcase team, might as well want the best players.
Red Johnnies...said very well.
I was more frustrated then ever last night because I truly felt like they needed this game. With the next two games being Gtown and ND a 1-4 record is highly likely.
That being said, anyone who questions where this program is compared to where it was prior to Lavin needs to have their head examined. If they get Jordan and Lawrence Lavin will finally have talent spread across three years and there will be no turning back. Hopefully the fan base will rally and we can get more than 6k at MSG! Not an excuse, but maybe if there were 12k of rabid fans there last night the Johnnies would have had a little more energy.
"If".
Who cares about Jordan and Lawrence right now? This team has enough talent to beat a Nova on the road and enough talent to beat a Rutgers at MSG of all places.
What incentive do fans have to come out? At least our excuse last year was that there were only 6 players and you knew everyone would play hard and give it their all.
This team has 2 set plays in its offensive Playbook from what I have seen watching closely this year:
1. Horns- which is a curl play for D'Angelo which is always called on out of bounds plays
2. Some play call (I don't know the name) to get Jakarr a 16-18 foot jumper
That's it. Everything else is just a pray & chuck from D'Angelo or Phil. That is unacceptable.
Guys like Mike Rice can't hold a candle to Steve Lavin's legacy. So why are we being so severely out coached? Why does Marco get a token 2 minutes then yanked for no apparent reason? Why does the offense look more fluid when Branch is out there and he gets yanked? Why does Lavin call (re: bur) timeouts just to talk to the players and not draw anything up?
This is so frustrating. It doesn't take much game tape for another team to watch to figure us out.
We watched D'Angelo repeatedly split the double team, get in the lane and dish it or easy baskets against Rutgers. Phil Greene hasn't done tat once this year. Why does he have the keys to the car?
You can't give an alumnus, a student or a curious tourist reason enough to pay to watch this team play. Sorry.
This is why I would care about Jordan and Lawrence right now. If nothing is going to change then we just need to hope we can throw enough talent on the court in the future to win despite the lack of coaching. If we're going to play like an AAU showcase team, might as well want the best players.
I understand your point. But that is a scary mentality to have.
If what you're saying is actually the case, then Baron Davis was right on the money. Is this prideful fan base ready to admit that?
Why because we lost a close game does it mean Lavin can't coach? Not every game is going to be a blowout. We didn't make free throws...man our coach stinks. Sampson took some stupid shots, man Lavin sucks.. Cmon people... It's getting absurd already.