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[quote="Paultzman" post=292770]Zach B re Heron waiver update & SJU chances;

“There is no news they are waiting on NCAA. I’d say cautious optimism”

As noted by others here, NCAA has been liberal lately re: college football waivers. We’ll see how that translates to hoops. My sense is staff is also cautiously optimistic fwiw.[/quote]

Paultzman ..... do you know whether our beloved St. John’s has retained Counsel to navigate the NCAA process or are they attempting to handle it in house? Thanks.
 
[quote="otis" post=292771][quote="Paultzman" post=292770]Zach B re Heron waiver update & SJU chances;

“There is no news they are waiting on NCAA. I’d say cautious optimism”

As noted by others here, NCAA has been liberal lately re: college football waivers. We’ll see how that translates to hoops. My sense is staff is also cautiously optimistic fwiw.[/quote]

Paultzman ..... do you know whether our beloved St. John’s has retained Counsel to navigate the NCAA process or are they attempting to handle it in house? Thanks.[/quote]
Don’t know, but have sense you may.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=292776][quote="otis" post=292771][quote="Paultzman" post=292770]Zach B re Heron waiver update & SJU chances;

“There is no news they are waiting on NCAA. I’d say cautious optimism”

As noted by others here, NCAA has been liberal lately re: college football waivers. We’ll see how that translates to hoops. My sense is staff is also cautiously optimistic fwiw.[/quote]

Paultzman ..... do you know whether our beloved St. John’s has retained Counsel to navigate the NCAA process or are they attempting to handle it in house? Thanks.[/quote]
Don’t know, but have a sense you may.[/quote]
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=292772]This kid just got waiver for football from Pitt. No mention of hardship or reason, but article notes the four conditions that must be met

https://triblive.com/sports/college...eceiver-taysir-mack-declared-eligible-by-ncaa[/quote]

Well, Heron definitely qualifies for all 4 conditions.
And the NCAA's comments doesn't mention 'football' in its 'reasoning', but cites 'student athlete'.
The one odd thing I saw, is that it refers to 'the previous school not having opposed the transfer'.
I thought the new NCAA transfer rules 'liberated' athletes from having to receive permission from the schools, and within 2 - 3 days of being 'notified' by the 'student athlete', their names are added to a 'transfer list' sent out publicly?
But, all-in-all, this seems to look very good for the Heron Family and St. John's--maybe despite ourselves.
Let the games begin.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=292808][quote="RedStormNC" post=292772]This kid just got waiver for football from Pitt. No mention of hardship or reason, but article notes the four conditions that must be met

https://triblive.com/sports/college...eceiver-taysir-mack-declared-eligible-by-ncaa[/quote]

Well, Heron definitely qualifies for all 4 conditions.
And the NCAA's comments doesn't mention 'football' in its 'reasoning', but cites 'student athlete'.
The one odd thing I saw, is that it refers to 'the previous school not having opposed the transfer'.
I thought the new NCAA transfer rules 'liberated' athletes from having to receive permission from the schools, and within 2 - 3 days of being 'notified' by the 'student athlete', their names are added to a 'transfer list' sent out publicly?
But, all-in-all, this seems to look very good for the Heron Family and St. John's--maybe despite ourselves.
Let the games begin.[/quote]

School still has to grant you a release to transfer to another 4 year D1 school unless you do it as a grand transfer. It is why students “ask for their release” so they can transfer. Schools can still put conditions on the release including not allowing you to go to a particular program.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=292820][quote="Chicago Days" post=292808][quote="RedStormNC" post=292772]This kid just got waiver for football from Pitt. No mention of hardship or reason, but article notes the four conditions that must be met

https://triblive.com/sports/college...eceiver-taysir-mack-declared-eligible-by-ncaa[/quote]

Well, Heron definitely qualifies for all 4 conditions.
And the NCAA's comments doesn't mention 'football' in its 'reasoning', but cites 'student athlete'.
The one odd thing I saw, is that it refers to 'the previous school not having opposed the transfer'.
I thought the new NCAA transfer rules 'liberated' athletes from having to receive permission from the schools, and within 2 - 3 days of being 'notified' by the 'student athlete', their names are added to a 'transfer list' sent out publicly?
But, all-in-all, this seems to look very good for the Heron Family and St. John's--maybe despite ourselves.
Let the games begin.[/quote]

School still has to grant you a release to transfer to another 4 year D1 school unless you do it as a grand transfer. It is why students “ask for their release” so they can transfer. Schools can still put conditions on the release including not allowing you to go to a particular program.[/quote]

K good point, SJU85.
I do think new rule made it ‘almost’ automatic, so long as the kid is in good standing, since the Coaches and Admin had almost total control previously.
At any rate, Auburn did not object to Heron’s transfer.
So, this make me very confident, Mustapha will get the waiver.
Thumbs crossed!
 
As far as I can tell the liberalized transfer rules (which do not require permission of pre-transfer university) do not take effect until October 15th, 2018, so MH's transfer comes under old rules, which would require the special hardship exemption, the requirements of which Paultzman posted several months back.. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought they allowed transfer and immediate eligibility in cases where an immediate family member had life-threatening health issue that made it advisable for student athlete to transfer closer to home so that he/she could help care for them. MH certainly meets that standard and Auburn did not object to transfer.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292823]As far as I can tell the liberalized transfer rules (which do not require permission of pre-transfer university) do not take effect until October 15t, 2018, so MH's transfer comes under old rules, which would require the special hardship exemption, the requirements of which Paultzman posted several months back.. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought they allowed transfer and immediate eligibility in cases where an immediate family member had life-threatening health issue that made it advisable for student athlete to transfer closer to home so that he/she could help care for them. MH certainly meets that standard and Auburn did not object to transfer.[/quote]
Being a St. John’s fan for 37 years I have learned to accept the worst and never assume anything postive will occur in our favour. If he gets the waiver great. If he doesn’t we still better win an additional 6 games.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292823]As far as I can tell the liberalized transfer rules (which do not require permission of pre-transfer university) do not take effect until October 15t, 2018, so MH's transfer comes under old rules, which would require the special hardship exemption, the requirements of which Paultzman posted several months back.. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought they allowed transfer and immediate eligibility in cases where an immediate family member had life-threatening health issue that made it advisable for student athlete to transfer closer to home so that he/she could help care for them. MH certainly meets that standard and Auburn did not object to transfer.[/quote]

Good distinction NCJohnnie.and the Pitt football player who just gained immediate eligibility satisfied the first requirement: to ‘document mitigating circumstances’, a standard that Mustapha seems to definitively meet.
I’m becoming very confident about our chances here, even if we are St. John’s...!
 
Redmannorth wrote: Being a St. John’s fan for 37 years I have learned to accept the worst and never assume anything postive will occur in our favour. If he gets the waiver great. If he doesn’t we still better win an additional 6 games.

RMN, I hear you loud & clear as I have been both a SJU & Knicks fan for 53 years and counting! For some reason that I refuse to ascribe to early onset of dementia, I am very optimistic about this coming season and I intend to stay that way until proven wrong.
 
Two other things to comment on here.
1) While Heron may be under the old transfer rule ‘interpretations’, so was the Pitt football player, and the NCAA seemed to be very flexible in its ruling since the kid didn’t enroll at Pitt until January of this year.
2) Also, I believe it had becom very difficult to get a ‘hardship waiver’ in recent years, with a stricter rules interpretation.

But now, there appears to be a sea change in transfer rules, with the NCAA dealing almost ‘ad hoc’ with waiver requests, in sync with th impending new transfer rules about to be ‘official’ in October.
Just seems to be looking good for the Heron Family, and St. John’s, is all I’m trying to say.
Let’s hope.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=292824][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292823]As far as I can tell the liberalized transfer rules (which do not require permission of pre-transfer university) do not take effect until October 15t, 2018, so MH's transfer comes under old rules, which would require the special hardship exemption, the requirements of which Paultzman posted several months back.. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought they allowed transfer and immediate eligibility in cases where an immediate family member had life-threatening health issue that made it advisable for student athlete to transfer closer to home so that he/she could help care for them. MH certainly meets that standard and Auburn did not object to transfer.[/quote]
Being a St. John’s fan for 37 years I have learned to accept the worst and never assume anything postive will occur in our favour. If he gets the waiver great. If he doesn’t we still better win an additional 6 games.[/quote] That is a smart philosophy for a SJU fan. I recently made an exception and was counting on Rice joining the staff. My bad.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=292849][quote="redmannorth" post=292824][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292823]As far as I can tell the liberalized transfer rules (which do not require permission of pre-transfer university) do not take effect until October 15t, 2018, so MH's transfer comes under old rules, which would require the special hardship exemption, the requirements of which Paultzman posted several months back.. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought they allowed transfer and immediate eligibility in cases where an immediate family member had life-threatening health issue that made it advisable for student athlete to transfer closer to home so that he/she could help care for them. MH certainly meets that standard and Auburn did not object to transfer.[/quote]
Being a St. John’s fan for 37 years I have learned to accept the worst and never assume anything postive will occur in our favour. If he gets the waiver great. If he doesn’t we still better win an additional 6 games.[/quote] That is a smart philosophy for a SJU fan. I recently made an exception and was counting on Rice joining the staff. My bad.[/quote]

I hear you guys and agree that we'll be 6 games better without Heron.
But, I'd be stunned if Mustapha doesn't get his waiver.
For good and bad, things change summarily when perception and the times change.
I think that is the case presently, with the NCAA's transfer rule.
Let's hope.
And some knowledgeable posters seem to be implying that that rice dish we want may soon 'unstick'.
Hoping about that as well.
 
For many good reasons, NCAA for the moment seems to be embracing benevolence & Heron should be a beneficiary.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293035]For many good reasons, NCAA for the moment seems to be embracing benevolence & Heron should be a beneficiary.[/quote]

I agree. Assume you are basing this on public knowledge, correct?

Regardless, I'd be surprised if Heron is not eligible.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293035]For many good reasons, NCAA for the moment seems to be embracing benevolence & Heron should be a beneficiary.[/quote]

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I'm always glass half empty ( with SJU I'm usually glass shattered and glass stuck in my hands and need to go to emergency room ) but I'm feeling pretty positive about the potential Heron outcome
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=293035]For many good reasons, NCAA for the moment seems to be embracing benevolence & Heron should be a beneficiary.[/quote]

It looks like there has been 3 or 4 waivers granted over the last week throughout football and basketball, which has to be a good sign.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293040]I'm always glass half empty ( with SJU I'm usually glass shattered and glass stuck in my hands and need to go to emergency room ) but I'm feeling pretty positive about the potential Heron outcome[/quote]
Agree with the confidence of a positive outcome my only concern is whenever the NCAA sees ST. JOHN'S on the paperwork they continually put it at the bottom of the stack. :unsure:
 
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