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[quote="Adam" post=291161][quote="Chicago Days" post=291154]Well Adam, you came in 2nd to Paultz—that ain’t bad!
Seriously though, this is huge imo and I missed that the NCAA changed its transfer rules this past June, effective October 15 of this year, “to allow all Div 1 athletes to transfer out of their programs” by simply informing their schools of their desire to transfer. The affected schools must put the athletes names in a ‘national transfer database’ within two days of notification. Also, ‘tampering’ becomes a Level 2 violation. Major conferences can still implement transfer restrictions, such as not permitting transfers within the conference, and the ‘sit-out’ requirement remains generally in place.
The football player who transferred from Ohio State to UNC, cited ‘family and playing opportunities’ to return to his ‘home state’ and is immediately eligible.
This has got to be great news for the Heron family and St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes, frankly I'm surprised there is not more talk about it here. This is really good news.

Now, for a fun topic since we can start dreaming:

It is pretty clear that Ponds will be the consensus pre-season Big East player of the year. If Heron is eligible, would be be the pre-season runner up? Or at least in the top 5?

Would be pretty incredible to have 2 of the best in the Big East (at least by pre-season measures). When was the last time that happened?[/quote]

Good question! Don't recall 'ever'.
Maybe Mullin and Berry? Although, the Big East was loaded back then and G*Town, with Ewing, Williams, and WIngate.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=291164][quote="Adam" post=291161][quote="Chicago Days" post=291154]Well Adam, you came in 2nd to Paultz—that ain’t bad!
Seriously though, this is huge imo and I missed that the NCAA changed its transfer rules this past June, effective October 15 of this year, “to allow all Div 1 athletes to transfer out of their programs” by simply informing their schools of their desire to transfer. The affected schools must put the athletes names in a ‘national transfer database’ within two days of notification. Also, ‘tampering’ becomes a Level 2 violation. Major conferences can still implement transfer restrictions, such as not permitting transfers within the conference, and the ‘sit-out’ requirement remains generally in place.
The football player who transferred from Ohio State to UNC, cited ‘family and playing opportunities’ to return to his ‘home state’ and is immediately eligible.
This has got to be great news for the Heron family and St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes, frankly I'm surprised there is not more talk about it here. This is really good news.

Now, for a fun topic since we can start dreaming:

It is pretty clear that Ponds will be the consensus pre-season Big East player of the year. If Heron is eligible, would be be the pre-season runner up? Or at least in the top 5?

Would be pretty incredible to have 2 of the best in the Big East (at least by pre-season measures). When was the last time that happened?[/quote]

Good question! Don't recall 'ever'.
Maybe Mullin and Berry? Although, the Big East was loaded back then and G*Town, with Ewing, Williams, and WIngate.[/quote]
Only award I think is relevant is Mullin winning or placing in top 3 for BE COY. That would mean a dance ticket.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=291166][quote="Chicago Days" post=291164][quote="Adam" post=291161][quote="Chicago Days" post=291154]Well Adam, you came in 2nd to Paultz—that ain’t bad!
Seriously though, this is huge imo and I missed that the NCAA changed its transfer rules this past June, effective October 15 of this year, “to allow all Div 1 athletes to transfer out of their programs” by simply informing their schools of their desire to transfer. The affected schools must put the athletes names in a ‘national transfer database’ within two days of notification. Also, ‘tampering’ becomes a Level 2 violation. Major conferences can still implement transfer restrictions, such as not permitting transfers within the conference, and the ‘sit-out’ requirement remains generally in place.
The football player who transferred from Ohio State to UNC, cited ‘family and playing opportunities’ to return to his ‘home state’ and is immediately eligible.
This has got to be great news for the Heron family and St. John’s.[/quote]

Yes, frankly I'm surprised there is not more talk about it here. This is really good news.

Now, for a fun topic since we can start dreaming:

It is pretty clear that Ponds will be the consensus pre-season Big East player of the year. If Heron is eligible, would be be the pre-season runner up? Or at least in the top 5?

Would be pretty incredible to have 2 of the best in the Big East (at least by pre-season measures). When was the last time that happened?[/quote]

Good question! Don't recall 'ever'.
Maybe Mullin and Berry? Although, the Big East was loaded back then and G*Town, with Ewing, Williams, and WIngate.[/quote]
Only award I think is relevant is Mullin winning or placing in top 3 for BE COY. That would mean a dance ticket.[/quote]

We need to have our pre-season hype before the inevitable disappointing season, though. Only thing that gets us through the years. :)

(For the record, I am optimistic about next year and think we'll make the Dance with or without Heron)
 
Just guessing but could that all BE team have included Ewing , Mullin, Pinckney, Pearl Washington and Berry? Could be I am forgetting someone obvious.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=291168]Just guessing but could that all BE team have included Ewing , Mullin, Pinckney, Pearl Washington and Berry? Could be I am forgetting someone obvious.[/quote]

Website I looked up had Rafael Addison from Syracuse as being first team BE 1984-85, and Berry being 2nd team that year. 1985-86 Berry is first team and Addison is 2nd team BE. I know my brain has been somewhat pickled , but I don't remember Addison.
The other 4 you mentioned were all first team in 84-85.
 
Looked Addison up. BE 1st team 1985, BE 2nd team 84 and 86
Drafted 2nd round ( 39th overall ) in 86
Played 6 seasons in the NBA , mostly coming off the bench, and several years in Europe.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=291170][quote="NCJohnnie" post=291168]Just guessing but could that all BE team have included Ewing , Mullin, Pinckney, Pearl Washington and Berry? Could be I am forgetting someone obvious.[/quote]

Website I looked up had Rafael Addison from Syracuse as being first team BE 1984-85, and Berry being 2nd team that year. 1985-86 Berry is first team and Addison is 2nd team BE. I know my brain has been somewhat pickled , but I don't remember Addison.
The other 4 you mentioned were all first team in 84-85.[/quote]

Rafael Addison was a very good player out of Jersey City.
 
Berry's play in 84-85 did not merit first team big east because the league was so loaded. As a drinker of the SJU kool aid I have always felt that had SJU succeeded in their efforts to get Berry eligible in 83-84 and 84-85 was his second year the Geogetown games might have ended differently.
Berry was a much improved player in his second year. SJU took his eligibility case to federal court in Sept of 83 but lost. Berry then left for San Jacinto rather than sit out a year and I believe broke the world's record accumulating some sixty credits in one year and returning to SJU in 84-85.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=291172][quote="41ndone" post=291170][quote="NCJohnnie" post=291168]Just guessing but could that all BE team have included Ewing , Mullin, Pinckney, Pearl Washington and Berry? Could be I am forgetting someone obvious.[/quote]

Website I looked up had Rafael Addison from Syracuse as being first team BE 1984-85, and Berry being 2nd team that year. 1985-86 Berry is first team and Addison is 2nd team BE. I know my brain has been somewhat pickled , but I don't remember Addison.
The other 4 you mentioned were all first team in 84-85.[/quote]

Rafael Addison was a very good player out of Jersey City.[/quote]
Somewhere I have a much-yellowed page -- actually just a 2" or so square -- I clipped out of the NY Post in February 1985, which has Peter Vescey stating that Addison would be a better NBA player than Mullin. Saved it because I had a feeling it might come back to bite him.
 
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[quote="redmannorth" post=291172][quote="41ndone" post=291170][quote="NCJohnnie" post=291168]Just guessing but could that all BE team have included Ewing , Mullin, Pinckney, Pearl Washington and Berry? Could be I am forgetting someone obvious.[/quote]

Website I looked up had Rafael Addison from Syracuse as being first team BE 1984-85, and Berry being 2nd team that year. 1985-86 Berry is first team and Addison is 2nd team BE. I know my brain has been somewhat pickled , but I don't remember Addison.
The other 4 you mentioned were all first team in 84-85.[/quote]

Rafael Addison was a very good player out of Jersey City.[/quote]

Yes he was. Bit of an unusual release on his shot, but deadly. There's VCR footage of the SJU-CUSE game at MSG in 84-85 that I recorded while I attended the game. Addison hit some huge shots in that game.. One of our erstwhile fellow Redmen.comers was kind enough to convert the footage from tape to digital and has promised me at some point that he'll upload it to Youtube for everyone's viewing pleasure. The last 5 minutes of regulation and the OT are a must watch for any SJU fan.
 
Thanks. I figured I was forgetting someone. I just remember Berry was so heralded out of HS, thought he might have been 1st team preseason Big East based on HS record. I remember Rafael Addison. He always reminded me a little of Tricky Dick Barnett for some reason. He was an excellent college player, but I didn't realize he'd lasted 6 years in NBA.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=291183]Thanks. I figured I was forgetting someone. I just remember Berry was so heralded out of HS, thought he might have been 1st team preseason Big East based on HS record. I remember Rafael Addison. He always reminded me a little of Tricky Dick Barnett for some reason. He was an excellent college player, but I didn't realize he'd lasted 6 years in NBA.[/quote]

Yeah, NCJohnnie, “The Truth” won the John Wooden POY Award for the 1985-86 Season. He should’ve stayed 1 more year—for his sake and ours.
 
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[quote="Enright" post=291173] Berry then left for San Jacinto rather than sit out a year and I believe broke the world's record accumulating some sixty credits in one year and returning to SJU in 84-85.[/quote]

Sounds like there may have been a Walt Berry and a Wally Berry also taking classes and the three of them combined their efforts under one transcript.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=291186][quote="Enright" post=291173] Berry then left for San Jacinto rather than sit out a year and I believe broke the world's record accumulating some sixty credits in one year and returning to SJU in 84-85.[/quote]

Sounds like there may have been a Walt Berry and a Wally Berry also taking classes and the three of them combined their efforts under one transcript.[/quote]

He didn’t gain 69credits at St. Jacinto. NCAA counted the credits Berry took while at St. John’s his first year when he sat out. Good enough to be counted and included with his Juco credits but due to other convoluted rules/regulations/reasoning, not good enough to make him eligible after that first year.

Berry went to Juco and stayed true to his word returning to St. John’s despite some heavy interest and push from other programs
 
The UNC news can't hurt, but not really sure how it impacts our situation. You're talking about major football schools here. Didn't we already say they get special treatment compared to basketball only schools? I'm hoping for Heron as much as I can but I'm trying to expect the worst so I'm not disappointed.

As someone else said, we have enough talent to make the tournament without him. I think at least making the dance is the expectation without him and with him the expectation should be making a top 25 appearance at some point in addition to the dance. With any other program with this talent level, this should be a reasonable expectation. The only real hole is another big, but we would have big guards to hopefully minimize the impact.
 
SJ to impress recruits, make a national splash and get program to Mullin’s targeted level, Heron is essential this year. Having seen him a number of times back to HS days, he is the type of quiet leader, talent and relentless worker to give program a lift in concert with quality players now on roster.

Yes there is a strong nucleus without him, but you never know with injuries or other unforeseen factors how solid we will really be. Imo, his inclusion would push this team to BE title contending status v middle of the pack or slightly lower status w/o him.

If we can make a splash this year it better positions us with spring commitments and could keep a guy like Simon from heading closer to home as grad transfer. The best outcome to me is to making & winning a few games in Dance, grabbing a few solid recruits and stabilizing roster as best you can these days. The goal is getting back on track for continued success. I truly believe Heron playing this year is a pivotal ingredient.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=291191]The UNC news can't hurt, but not really sure how it impacts our situation......
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UNC's results are not necessarily reflective of what St.John's results will be.

UNC utilizes Michael Glazier for its dealings with the NCAA. I was told after Heron transferred to St.John's that St.John's was expected to attempt to handle the process in house.

IMO the Heron transfer is not the time for someone at St. John's to learn the process and acquaint themselves with NCAA personnel. .
 
[quote="SJU85" post=291188]
Berry went to Juco and stayed true to his word returning to St. John’s despite some heavy interest and push from other programs[/quote]

And some timely intervention by Ron Rutledge.

"push" is that the politically correct term for scumbag?
 
[quote="otis" post=291196][quote="Mike Zaun" post=291191]The UNC news can't hurt, but not really sure how it impacts our situation......
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UNC's results are not necessarily reflective of what St.John's results will be.

UNC utilizes Michael Glazier for its dealings with the NCAA. I was told after Heron transferred to St.John's that St.John's was expected to attempt to handle the process in house.

IMO the Heron transfer is not the time for someone at St. John's to learn the process and acquaint themselves with NCAA personnel. .[/quote]

Well knowing how vital Heron is to the team this year as one of the most highly rated transfers EVER in our program , if we don't hire the right lawyer and try to pinch pennies, then our program truly is in a sad state. We always seem close to breaking out nationally if 1 or 2 things go our way, but they rarely seem to. I agree with Paultz...if we really want to make a legitimate national splash and get our brand back to being relevant and talked about around the water cooler, we need to be in the top 25 at some point and Heron gets us to that potential. Even for the short time we were in the top 25 in 2015 it felt so amazing to log on to ESPN and see us right there in the polls plus our highlights on all the major channels consistently. Being top 25 is what brings out previously hibernating fans and creates new fans. Like Paultz said, it also really helps maximize recruiting.
 
[quote="otis" post=291196][quote="Mike Zaun" post=291191]The UNC news can't hurt, but not really sure how it impacts our situation......
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UNC's results are not necessarily reflective of what St.John's results will be.

UNC utilizes Michael Glazier for its dealings with the NCAA. I was told after Heron transferred to St.John's that St.John's was expected to attempt to handle the process in house.

IMO the Heron transfer is not the time for someone at St. John's to learn the process and acquaint themselves with NCAA personnel. .[/quote]

Well that's wholly unacceptable and outrageous. But expected from this joke of a mom and pop administration. What an embarrassment. This is a marquee player. They should be utilizing any resource available to get him eligible. Glazier's billable hour rate is worth the price of getting Heron eligible.
 
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