Shamorie Ponds

[quote="Logen" post=309864]The draft criteria for Ponds, or any other player for that matter, is not points scored, games won as a collegian, assists, or any other statistic. The criteria is how GMs project a player to be successful playing the NBA game, plain and simple. Ponds will have a successful pro career whether it is in the NBA or elsewhere.[/quote]

I'm going to write down what you just wrote so let me restate it. You mean nba execs are looking for guys who are nba players, correct? I mean guys they think can play in the NBA as opposed to drafting guys they think wont be successful. I think I got it. Had to clarify for the imbeciles on here, ya know.

Also I agree. If Ponds isn't good enough for the nba he's good enough to be good somewhere. Maybe the LI Press league where some st. John's guy tore it up.

Just giving we are sju a breather.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=309872][quote="Logen" post=309864]The draft criteria for Ponds, or any other player for that matter, is not points scored, games won as a collegian, assists, or any other statistic. The criteria is how GMs project a player to be successful playing the NBA game, plain and simple. Ponds will have a successful pro career whether it is in the NBA or elsewhere.[/quote]

I'm going to write down what you just wrote so let me restate it. You mean nba execs are looking for guys who are nba players, correct? I mean guys they think can play in the NBA as opposed to drafting guys they think wont be successful. I think I got it. Had to clarify for the imbeciles on here, ya know.

Also I agree. If Ponds isn't good enough for the nba he's good enough to be good somewhere. Maybe the LI Press league where some st. John's guy tore it up.

Just giving we are sju a breather.[/quote]

Oh, how creative!! I am so humbled that you had to restate for all the posters who, like you, have no ability when it comes to reading comprehension. Stick to telling other people how they should think, you come across much better as a holier than thou intellectual. By the way, just to save you the time, another thread I won’t be returning too, pick a fight with someone else.
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309866]I don’t see Kemba or Lowry. He’s gonna have to do it his own way. Nick Van Exel is the best comp in my opinion but I can’t really think of one playing now. Think We are sju said he was a smaller Deangelo Russel and I can see that a bit. I don’t think his rebs and steals can be taken lightly. Those will transfer over.[/quote]

I like Dave on JJ comparison smaller Cuttino Mobley
Ponds needs to find a team where he can be a scoring point guard off the bench. Think he can have a long career in kind of a Jamal Crawford.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=309771][quote="Room112" post=309725][quote="gman" post=309720][quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.[/quote]

Bleacher Report just released their latest mock draft. Right now they have Shamorie at #28 in the first round. They've taken notice of his scoring efficiency and ability to catch fire and take over games.[/quote]

I think a big thing for Ponds is not when he is drafted but where.[/quote]

There is a perfect spot for Shamorie with a team in need of a point guard. The San Antonio Spurs. Tony Parker retired at the end of last year, and their pg play has been so bad that in 14 of 35 games they did not even start the game with a true pg in the lineup.
 
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=309888][quote="we are sju" post=309771][quote="Room112" post=309725][quote="gman" post=309720][quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.[/quote]

Bleacher Report just released their latest mock draft. Right now they have Shamorie at #28 in the first round. They've taken notice of his scoring efficiency and ability to catch fire and take over games.[/quote]

I think a big thing for Ponds is not when he is drafted but where.[/quote]

There is a perfect spot for Shamorie with a team in need of a point guard. The San Antonio Spurs. Tony Parker retired at the end of last year, and their pg play has been so bad that in 14 of 35 games they did not even start the game with a true pg in the lineup.[/quote]

I think folks have underestimated Ponds’ passing ability. Up until this year, he had to shoulder the majority of the scoring responsibility. I’m not sure why he can’t be a high assist guy at the next level.
 
[quote="Logen" post=309879][quote="Beast of the East" post=309872][quote="Logen" post=309864]The draft criteria for Ponds, or any other player for that matter, is not points scored, games won as a collegian, assists, or any other statistic. The criteria is how GMs project a player to be successful playing the NBA game, plain and simple. Ponds will have a successful pro career whether it is in the NBA or elsewhere.[/quote]

I'm going to write down what you just wrote so let me restate it. You mean nba execs are looking for guys who are nba players, correct? I mean guys they think can play in the NBA as opposed to drafting guys they think wont be successful. I think I got it. Had to clarify for the imbeciles on here, ya know.

Also I agree. If Ponds isn't good enough for the nba he's good enough to be good somewhere. Maybe the LI Press league where some st. John's guy tore it up.

Just giving we are sju a breather.[/quote]

Oh, how creative!! I am so humbled that you had to restate for all the posters who, like you, have no ability when it comes to reading comprehension. Stick to telling other people how they should think, you come across much better as a holier than thou intellectual. By the way, just to save you the time, another thread I won’t be returning too, pick a fight with someone else.[/quote]

Haha. No it's always the tone that you know and everyone else are idiots. Kind of like a crankier Depends version of Fun.

FYI, when Ponds came back from NBA camps, Chris was incredibly patient till ponds approached him. Chris knew what would be in the reports. Much of it was QUANTITATIVE- get your shooting put up, assists up, and wins over individual stats. So far statistically , Ponds has done all of those things, playing a more refined game.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=309887][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309866]I don’t see Kemba or Lowry. He’s gonna have to do it his own way. Nick Van Exel is the best comp in my opinion but I can’t really think of one playing now. Think We are sju said he was a smaller Deangelo Russel and I can see that a bit. I don’t think his rebs and steals can be taken lightly. Those will transfer over.[/quote]

I like Dave on JJ comparison smaller Cuttino Mobley
Ponds needs to find a team where he can be a scoring point guard off the bench. Think he can have a long career in kind of a Jamal Crawford.[/quote]

It’s easy to compare him to lefties as I and you and others have. I don’t remember Mobley ever really being a lead guard tho but I never saw him in college.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309909][quote="we are sju" post=309887][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309866]I don’t see Kemba or Lowry. He’s gonna have to do it his own way. Nick Van Exel is the best comp in my opinion but I can’t really think of one playing now. Think We are sju said he was a smaller Deangelo Russel and I can see that a bit. I don’t think his rebs and steals can be taken lightly. Those will transfer over.[/quote]

I like Dave on JJ comparison smaller Cuttino Mobley
Ponds needs to find a team where he can be a scoring point guard off the bench. Think he can have a long career in kind of a Jamal Crawford.[/quote]

It’s easy to compare him to lefties as I and you and others have. I don’t remember Mobley ever really being a lead guard tho but I never saw him in college.[/quote]

Because of his size he is trying to show that he can play the point. He can. But Ponds greatest skill is scoring and getting to the basket. I think he can do that in kind of a Crawford role in the pros. Going into this year Mobley to me was the best comparison though yes Ponds can play the one more so than Mobley could.
 
How tall do we think Ponds really is? Someone like Lou Williams is 6'1" and has been around for 13 seasons and has made enough money to support several generations of Williamses if he was smart with his money. He's usually a bench player but that's misleading because he's generally played half the game for the bulk of his career and is getting more than 30 mpg this season. I can see Ponds having that type career if he lands in the right spot.

But I guess if Ponds is actually 5'11" it becomes even tougher. Many NBA GMs are still too hung up on height.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=309949]How tall do we think Ponds really is? Someone like Lou Williams is 6'1" and has been around for 13 seasons and has made enough money to support several generations of Williamses if he was smart with his money. He's usually a bench player but that's misleading because he's generally played half the game for the bulk of his career and is getting more than 30 mpg this season. I can see Ponds having that type career if he lands in the right spot.

But I guess if Ponds is actually 5'11" it becomes even tougher. Many NBA GMs are still too hung up on height.[/quote]

Im.always amazed how tall our "short guys" are. Greg st Jean, has at least 4 inches on me but looks small next to chris who may be a legit 6'7.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=309949]How tall do we think Ponds really is? Someone like Lou Williams is 6'1" and has been around for 13 seasons and has made enough money to support several generations of Williamses if he was smart with his money. He's usually a bench player but that's misleading because he's generally played half the game for the bulk of his career and is getting more than 30 mpg this season. I can see Ponds having that type career if he lands in the right spot.

But I guess if Ponds is actually 5'11" it becomes even tougher. Many NBA GMs are still too hung up on height.[/quote]

I think 6’1 is legit but when he got measured at a camp I don’t think his wingspan was any better which might hurt him more. Regardless, he covers as much ground as someone 4 inches taller and he’s as good a finisher as I’ve seen.
 
He looked pretty long in that steal vs Gtwn. That was one of the best things I've ever seen. He defies his superficial physical attributes. I think it was you talking about farmer muscles a while back. Ponds is like that in a lot of ways. Total enigma. Even being a lefty is part of it. On the one hand he is super flash and on the other he is understated and subtle so that he gets underestimated.
 
He looks 6'2 on the floor so I'd bet he's pretty close to a legit 6'1. Maybe 6'0.5. This doesn't appear to be a Anthony Glover 6'6...more like a Harkless 6'8.

His height won't hurt him. IMO his length and his athletic ability will be way more hurtful. He also can't play good man defense. He makes up for that with elite hands, awareness and instincts, but he hasn't covered a top guard in his career.

His skill set is second to none. He's the most skilled kid to come out of the draft since Kyrie, but Kyrie was a dynamic athlete.
 
Of course everyone would love to see him back in 2019, but him leaving for the NBA certainly wouldn't be a bad thing for the program long term. Mullin needs to add that to his resume (Ponds is the first NBA prospect he's had, anyways).
 
If I'm an NBA gm I'd like to see how he handles Alexander of Creighton covering him and will be glued to the rematch with McKnight. Those are the best on-ball defenders in the league and both possess NBA ability on D.

My guess is that he comes at McKnight hard with new tricks and tactics. That's how great players respond.
 
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Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?
 
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