Shamorie Ponds

We've been down so long it never even occurred to me that Mullin could be BE COY until Marillac said it. National COY may be tougher, though.

I think the media is too fascinated with Zion, so Ponds has no chance even if he 100 percent deserves it. Wouldn't mind seeing Virginia devise something to goose egg Zion. Twice would be even better. Of course that would mean Bennett as National COY, though.
 
WoodenAward watch list has been trimmed from 50 to 25. Ponds made it

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I recently met a former division one and Euro player that also was as assistant coach in college and did some player evaluation work for a few NBA teams. Asked him about Ponds. Got a similar report that I heard about Ponds from another former player, who was relaying what some scouts said. This guy didn't think Ponds shoots it well enough for the NBA, and his best asset, taking it to the hoop, would be negated a lot by the size he would face in the NBA every night. He has a chance, he said, but was concerned that the pounding he would take nightly could mean a short career. He also said that similar in size players that made it or are still playing mean little. Guys like Iverson or curry come along a few times every ten years.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=314037]I recently met a former division one and Euro player that also was as assistant coach in college and did some player evaluation work for a few NBA teams. Asked him about Ponds. Got a similar report that I heard about Ponds from another former player, who was relaying what some scouts said. This guy didn't think Ponds shoots it well enough for the NBA, and his best asset, taking it to the hoop, would be negated a lot by the size he would face in the NBA every night. He has a chance, he said, but was concerned that the pounding he would take nightly could mean a short career. He also said that similar in size players that made it or are still playing mean little. Guys like Iverson or curry come along a few times every ten years.[/quote]

Spot on in my opinion. Marcus Howard probably took the lead for BE player of the year tonight (53 points).
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=314037]I recently met a former division one and Euro player that also was as assistant coach in college and did some player evaluation work for a few NBA teams. Asked him about Ponds. Got a similar report that I heard about Ponds from another former player, who was relaying what some scouts said. This guy didn't think Ponds shoots it well enough for the NBA, and his best asset, taking it to the hoop, would be negated a lot by the size he would face in the NBA every night. He has a chance, he said, but was concerned that the pounding he would take nightly could mean a short career. He also said that similar in size players that made it or are still playing mean little. Guys like Iverson or curry come along a few times every ten years.[/quote]

While I can't fault the assessment, a lot of can't miss guys missed, while some overlooked guys became stars.

Some of us have been told before that a dream wasn't possible, but with determination, hard work, a lot of help and a little luck managed to achieve success.

Wishing the same for Ponds. If not, being the best player he can be is one heck of a journey already.
 
Ray Morgan wrote: I recently met a former division one and Euro player that also was as assistant coach in college and did some player evaluation work for a few NBA teams. Asked him about Ponds. Got a similar report that I heard about Ponds from another former player, who was relaying what some scouts said. This guy didn't think Ponds shoots it well enough for the NBA, and his best asset, taking it to the hoop, would be negated a lot by the size he would face in the NBA every night. He has a chance, he said, but was concerned that the pounding he would take nightly could mean a short career. He also said that similar in size players that made it or are still playing mean little. Guys like Iverson or curry come along a few times every ten years.

Ray, agree it remains to be seen whether Shamorie shoots it well enough to make it in the NBA although his shooting numbers are way up from last year. As for not putting much stock in other little guys making it, current NBA doesn't back that up. Certainly hall of fame type players at that size are few and far between. But just a quick look at NBA rosters shows there are around 20 guys playing today at 6'1" or shorter. While not all are stars, virtually all have played a few years in the league and are making a good living despite their size. List includes Terry Rozier, Shabazz Napier, Trey Burke, Kyle Lowry, Ish Smith, Darren Collison, Eric Bledsoe, D.J. Augustin, Chris Paul, Dennis Schroder, Patrick Beverly, Lou Williams, Yogi Ferrell, Frank Mason, Kemba Walker, JJ Barea, Mike Conley. I think there is a place for Shamorie in NBA if he continues to work on his shot & defense. Just my take.
 
ESPN has a new mock draft up but I can’t access it. Anyone know of Ponds was on the list?
 
[quote="gman" post=314099]ESPN has a new mock draft up but I can’t access it. Anyone know of Ponds was on the list?[/quote]

The only mock audit I see on there - is from Jan 7, and it has Ponds drafted #42 to Detroit.
 
Aside from the players that NC Johnnie mentioned, the recent success of Isaiah Thomas benefits Shamorie. A crafty left handed guard who can get to the basket and run a team.

I spoke with an Asst GM, a GM, and several scouts at Barclays, Miami, and while I was visiting Kansas. All of them feel that Shamorie is an NBA player. If he continues to play at the level he is at now and we have a successful season, he should be in the NBA next year.
 
[quote="panther2" post=314101]Aside from the players that NC Johnnie mentioned, the recent success of Isaiah Thomas benefits Shamorie. A crafty left handed guard who can get to the basket and run a team.

I spoke with an Asst GM, a GM, and several scouts at Barclays, Miami, and while I was visiting Kansas. All of them feel that Shamorie is an NBA player. If he continues to play at the level he is at now and we have a successful season, he should be in the NBA next year.[/quote]

Thnx - the league has definitely gone his way in terms of style of play.
That's super cool. For a kid, ranked what out of high-school, 40s?
 
[quote="SJ_NYC" post=314102][quote="panther2" post=314101]Aside from the players that NC Johnnie mentioned, the recent success of Isaiah Thomas benefits Shamorie. A crafty left handed guard who can get to the basket and run a team.

I spoke with an Asst GM, a GM, and several scouts at Barclays, Miami, and while I was visiting Kansas. All of them feel that Shamorie is an NBA player. If he continues to play at the level he is at now and we have a successful season, he should be in the NBA next year.[/quote]

Thnx - the league has definitely gone his way in terms of style of play.
That's super cool. For a kid, ranked what out of high-school, 40s?[/quote] I believe Mo was also in that 40s range and he was one and done.
 
[quote="panther2" post=314101]Aside from the players that NC Johnnie mentioned, the recent success of Isaiah Thomas benefits Shamorie. A crafty left handed guard who can get to the basket and run a team.

I spoke with an Asst GM, a GM, and several scouts at Barclays, Miami, and while I was visiting Kansas. All of them feel that Shamorie is an NBA player. If he continues to play at the level he is at now and we have a successful season, he should be in the NBA next year.[/quote]

Good to hear, but I wonder if any of them would personally have their own team draft him?
 
I am hoping everyone is right. I don't see an Isiah Thomas comparison. He is built like a fire hydrant. The player I look at that gives me hope for Ponds is Rajon Rondo. Identical in height and weight to Ponds, same herky-jerky type of game on offense, and a good rebounder for size and nose for the ball. However, Rondo can't shoot a lick, and Ponds, while not a big time shooter, has range and is a big time scorer.
 
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Getting in the 1.20 range would be extremely solid for a point guard.
 
[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=314187][quote="Paultzman" post=314183][attachment=625]image.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

Getting in the 1.20 range would be extremely solid for a point guard.[/quote]

Seeing where he stands relative to every player in the country I think he’s in a pretty solid spot already. The biggest gripe I’ve heard last 2 years regarding shamorie is his lack of effeciency. Well his efficiency is off the charts so far this year.
 
One thing is clear. Without Ponds, and reducing our depth by one, we are no better than a 6 to 8 win conference team depending how the others, especially Heron, steps up.

If his back affected play down the stretch in the 4 big east games that he played, that is also very bad news if he doesn't get better fast.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=313416]I think Ponds is the frontrunner.

Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.

I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.[/quote]

I can't tell. Are posts like these facetious?
 
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