Shamorie Ponds
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Averaged 31.5 points, 5.5 assists, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 steals
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=313143]He looked pretty long in that steal vs Gtwn. That was one of the best things I've ever seen. He defies his superficial physical attributes. I think it was you talking about farmer muscles a while back. Ponds is like that in a lot of ways. Total enigma. Even being a lefty is part of it. On the one hand he is super flash and on the other he is understated and subtle so that he gets underestimated.[/quote]
In conversations with staff was told that at his size, he is really strong. Proof is in the pudding so to speak. He doesn't get battered on the way to the hoop, hold his ground against big guys down low. Rebounding comparison maybe to Dean Meminger, also 6'1, and another very tough NYC kid. Yes, that steal of the alley oop pass was amazing. He literally snatched the ball out of the air when batting iit away would have been impressive. Man, what's not to like at this point?
In conversations with staff was told that at his size, he is really strong. Proof is in the pudding so to speak. He doesn't get battered on the way to the hoop, hold his ground against big guys down low. Rebounding comparison maybe to Dean Meminger, also 6'1, and another very tough NYC kid. Yes, that steal of the alley oop pass was amazing. He literally snatched the ball out of the air when batting iit away would have been impressive. Man, what's not to like at this point?
[quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.
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[quote="Room112" post=313158][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.
[quote="Room112" post=313158][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
Agree. Ponds is gone and it’s absolutely the right time after this season. Heron I think might benefit from returning, and taking charge next season, but my guess is he won’t.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
Agree. Ponds is gone and it’s absolutely the right time after this season. Heron I think might benefit from returning, and taking charge next season, but my guess is he won’t.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=313160][quote="Room112" post=313158][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.[/quote]
I see what you're saying. But to me, height, athleticism, and probably even defense are Ponds biggest shortcomings currently. Those aren't really things he can improve next year.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.[/quote]
I see what you're saying. But to me, height, athleticism, and probably even defense are Ponds biggest shortcomings currently. Those aren't really things he can improve next year.
[quote="Room112" post=313158][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
Well, his teams haven't been very successful, not his fault. I think they can certainly make some noise in the tourney this year, but there are still some roster issues. If they both come back next season with a legit frontcourt, would easily have national title aspirations and that wouldn't be farfetched at all. That could definitely have value to him/them personally and as a NBA prospect I think. Who knows, probably just selfish wishful thinking on my part, ha.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
Well, his teams haven't been very successful, not his fault. I think they can certainly make some noise in the tourney this year, but there are still some roster issues. If they both come back next season with a legit frontcourt, would easily have national title aspirations and that wouldn't be farfetched at all. That could definitely have value to him/them personally and as a NBA prospect I think. Who knows, probably just selfish wishful thinking on my part, ha.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=313160][quote="Room112" post=313158][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=313152]Would it really be such a bad idea for both Ponds and Heron to strongly consider returning next year? The mock drafts usually aren't too far off and as great as Ponds is/has been, he's still not showing up in many 1st rounds. Heron doesn't even show up at all on most. I can see the appeal of returning to get a degree, make a run at a title and still be able to play pro ball after next year. Is this completely far fetched?[/quote]
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.[/quote]
I believe he can be in a situation similar to Napier, which I turned out pretty good for him. I do believe Ponds is more talented, but I think winning on the big stage propelled him going 1st round.
There is literally no chance. It's now or never for Ponds. He's got nothing left to prove that could possibly improve his draft position next year and he knows it.[/quote]
You may be right, but Bridges stayed around and improved his NBA chances too.[/quote]
I believe he can be in a situation similar to Napier, which I turned out pretty good for him. I do believe Ponds is more talented, but I think winning on the big stage propelled him going 1st round.
National POY discussion. For Ponds narrative look under Howard’s for some reason.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/
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[quote="Paultzman" post=313405]National POY discussion
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?
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[quote="Paultzman" post=313405]National POY discussion
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
Have to love it, but we have 85% on the conference season in front of us, the conference tournament, and the NCAA's. A little early for anyone to put much weight on high level of play against primarily weak OOC opponents. That being said, it's been a joy to watch.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
Have to love it, but we have 85% on the conference season in front of us, the conference tournament, and the NCAA's. A little early for anyone to put much weight on high level of play against primarily weak OOC opponents. That being said, it's been a joy to watch.
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=313409][quote="Paultzman" post=313405]National POY discussion
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?[/quote]
Read Howard’s below Ponds to see commentary on him.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?[/quote]
Read Howard’s below Ponds to see commentary on him.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=313414][quote="Storm Tracker" post=313409][quote="Paultzman" post=313405]National POY discussion
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?[/quote]
Read Howard’s below Ponds to see commentary on him.[/quote]
thats what i get for not reading whole thing! TY
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...gs-ponds-vs-howard-jarrett-culvers-dominance/[/quote]
#6 very cool. the only one without a blurb though?[/quote]
Read Howard’s below Ponds to see commentary on him.[/quote]
thats what i get for not reading whole thing! TY
I think Ponds is the frontrunner.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.
Per Jeff Goodman
Stadium Player of the Year Race (first-place votes in parenthesis)
1. Zion Williamson, Duke – 96 (8)
2. Grant Williams, Tennessee – 85 (1)
3. Dedric Lawson, Kansas – 53
4. R.J. Barrett, Duke – 49
T5. Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – 43
T5. Shamorie Ponds, St. John’s – 43
7. Jarrett Culver, Texas Tech – 39
8. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin – 33
9. Markus Howard, Marquette – 22 (1)
10. Carsen Edwards, Purdue – 20
11. Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga – 14
12. Cassius Winston, Michigan State – 13
13. Ja Morant, Murray State – 12
14. De’Andre Hunter, Virginia – 9
15. Kyle Guy, Virginia – 6
16. Justin Wright-Foreman, Hofstra – 4
17. Caleb Martin, Nevada – 3
18. Tres Tinkle, Oregon State – 2
T19. Daniel Gafford, Arkansas – 1
T19. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – 1
T19. Myles Powell, Seton Hall – 1
T19. Jordan Caroline, Neva
Stadium Player of the Year Race (first-place votes in parenthesis)
1. Zion Williamson, Duke – 96 (8)
2. Grant Williams, Tennessee – 85 (1)
3. Dedric Lawson, Kansas – 53
4. R.J. Barrett, Duke – 49
T5. Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – 43
T5. Shamorie Ponds, St. John’s – 43
7. Jarrett Culver, Texas Tech – 39
8. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin – 33
9. Markus Howard, Marquette – 22 (1)
10. Carsen Edwards, Purdue – 20
11. Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga – 14
12. Cassius Winston, Michigan State – 13
13. Ja Morant, Murray State – 12
14. De’Andre Hunter, Virginia – 9
15. Kyle Guy, Virginia – 6
16. Justin Wright-Foreman, Hofstra – 4
17. Caleb Martin, Nevada – 3
18. Tres Tinkle, Oregon State – 2
T19. Daniel Gafford, Arkansas – 1
T19. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – 1
T19. Myles Powell, Seton Hall – 1
T19. Jordan Caroline, Neva
[quote="Paultzman" post=313471]Per Jeff Goodman
Stadium Player of the Year Race (first-place votes in parenthesis)
1. Zion Williamson, Duke – 96 (8)
2. Grant Williams, Tennessee – 85 (1)
3. Dedric Lawson, Kansas – 53
4. R.J. Barrett, Duke – 49
T5. Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – 43
T5. Shamorie Ponds, St. John’s – 43
7. Jarrett Culver, Texas Tech – 39
8. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin – 33
9. Markus Howard, Marquette – 22 (1)
10. Carsen Edwards, Purdue – 20
11. Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga – 14
12. Cassius Winston, Michigan State – 13
13. Ja Morant, Murray State – 12
14. De’Andre Hunter, Virginia – 9
15. Kyle Guy, Virginia – 6
16. Justin Wright-Foreman, Hofstra – 4
17. Caleb Martin, Nevada – 3
18. Tres Tinkle, Oregon State – 2
T19. Daniel Gafford, Arkansas – 1
T19. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – 1
T19. Myles Powell, Seton Hall – 1
T19. Jordan Caroline, Neva[/quote]
3 Big East players- none of whom were 5 stars (all in the 40-80 range).
Says a lot about the conference, where we can lose as much as we did last year and still have 3 juniors nationally relevant.
Stadium Player of the Year Race (first-place votes in parenthesis)
1. Zion Williamson, Duke – 96 (8)
2. Grant Williams, Tennessee – 85 (1)
3. Dedric Lawson, Kansas – 53
4. R.J. Barrett, Duke – 49
T5. Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – 43
T5. Shamorie Ponds, St. John’s – 43
7. Jarrett Culver, Texas Tech – 39
8. Ethan Happ, Wisconsin – 33
9. Markus Howard, Marquette – 22 (1)
10. Carsen Edwards, Purdue – 20
11. Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga – 14
12. Cassius Winston, Michigan State – 13
13. Ja Morant, Murray State – 12
14. De’Andre Hunter, Virginia – 9
15. Kyle Guy, Virginia – 6
16. Justin Wright-Foreman, Hofstra – 4
17. Caleb Martin, Nevada – 3
18. Tres Tinkle, Oregon State – 2
T19. Daniel Gafford, Arkansas – 1
T19. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – 1
T19. Myles Powell, Seton Hall – 1
T19. Jordan Caroline, Neva[/quote]
3 Big East players- none of whom were 5 stars (all in the 40-80 range).
Says a lot about the conference, where we can lose as much as we did last year and still have 3 juniors nationally relevant.
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boo haarvey
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[quote="Marillac" post=313416]I think Ponds is the frontrunner.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.[/quote]
Mullin, coach of the year? Good to be a homer, but I think you're getting carried away.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.[/quote]
Mullin, coach of the year? Good to be a homer, but I think you're getting carried away.
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=313473][quote="Marillac" post=313416]I think Ponds is the frontrunner.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.[/quote]
Mullin, coach of the year? Good to be a homer, but I think you're getting carried away.[/quote]
Consider:
The storylines. 0-11 start in conference last year, 1-17 in conference year one, total record of 38-60 entering this season. The face of the program coming back home.
His Popularity. Popular guy, easy to root for, not a jerk or threatening, got more than his share of ridicule and hate first three years, etc.
Revival. A once proud program rescued from the depths of despair. A doormat for conference foes for 90% of the last two decades. And personally...fighting his way through one kid the worst head coaching starts in conference history.
Zion and RJ will cancel each other out, he will outplay Howard, and the Duke game will be an opportunity to seal it.
Grant Williams is the one that worries me most.
I also believe Mullin would very much be in the discussion for National Coach of they Year with 25 wins. We'll know more later tonight.[/quote]
Mullin, coach of the year? Good to be a homer, but I think you're getting carried away.[/quote]
Consider:
The storylines. 0-11 start in conference last year, 1-17 in conference year one, total record of 38-60 entering this season. The face of the program coming back home.
His Popularity. Popular guy, easy to root for, not a jerk or threatening, got more than his share of ridicule and hate first three years, etc.
Revival. A once proud program rescued from the depths of despair. A doormat for conference foes for 90% of the last two decades. And personally...fighting his way through one kid the worst head coaching starts in conference history.