Shamorie Ponds

[quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=309717][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309716][quote="Beast of the East" post=309713][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

37% from the shorter college 3 point distance and against weaker OOC competition is not an nba eye opener, improvement or not.[/quote]

If they’re going by the numbers then they won’t care about the competition. If they’re going by what they see then they’ll know a large portion of those shots are coming from behind the NBA line.[/quote]

Or you can click your heels together and he wakes up on an nba team.[/quote]

Do you disagree?
 
[quote="gman" post=309720][quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.[/quote]

Bleacher Report just released their latest mock draft. Right now they have Shamorie at #28 in the first round. They've taken notice of his scoring efficiency and ability to catch fire and take over games.
 
The way the league is trending, he has a better shot now than someone his size would have had at any time in the past 30 years. But it's still not a lock. There are still teams too stubborn to draft him, so there will first have to be a legit opening on a team that embraces change and one that has him as best available player on their list.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=309727]The way the league is trending, he has a better shot now than someone his size would have had at any time in the past 30 years. But it's still not a lock. There are still teams too stubborn to draft him, so there will first have to be a legit opening on a team that embraces change and one that has him as best available player on their list.[/quote]

Was watching BE alum Kyle Lowry play with the Raptors the other night. Kid has had a great career at 6'0" tall. He looks a lot thicker than he did during his Villanova days, but that comes with time. If things break well for Shamorie, he could very well make a career in the NBA. He will get his shot.
 
There is much to be happy with in terms of ponds level of play to start the season. If possible, he is becoming a pass first high scoring guard, and appears as unstoppable inside as gasp Pearl Washington was at syracuse a few days ago.

He's rebounded, defended, stolen, and passed his way to a 12-0 start. But in a real way , the OOC schedule is like playing on the side courts at alumni hall back when, or the 2nd or 3rd courts on any nyc playground. The big east and the big dance are main courts and Shamorie has to be that good end to end. I've enjoyed watching him, really savored it, but now the shit gets real as they say. And now is his time to shine.
 
I feel confident Ponds will dominate in whatever way needed each game the rest of the way. He's driven to make this year one that gets him to his individual goals and keeping team/winning first.
 
At this point, I think play of Ponds, Clark & Figgy and for the most part Heron is a given. What we need for a super year is improved play from Simon and a significant contribution from a healthy Keita. I have a good feeling about this bunch.
 
[quote="Room112" post=309725][quote="gman" post=309720][quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.[/quote]

Bleacher Report just released their latest mock draft. Right now they have Shamorie at #28 in the first round. They've taken notice of his scoring efficiency and ability to catch fire and take over games.[/quote]

I think a big thing for Ponds is not when he is drafted but where.
 
[quote="gman" post=309720][quote="we are sju" post=309718][quote="ron s m" post=309708][quote="gman" post=309704][quote="Paultzman" post=309700]Rothstein
Shamorie Ponds is currently first among Big East players in both assists (6.0) and steals (2.5). Also shooting 37.5% from deep. Shot 25% last season. #SJUBB[/quote]

He has to have bumped his draft stock.[/quote]

His improved 3 point shooting will definitely help his draft stock, as will his sharing the ball.[/quote]

[URL][URL]https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft[/URL][/URL]
Much like our 12-0 start, Ponds stellar play hasn't really moved the needle as far as Ponds draft projections. Long way to go but if he did wind up where they project that would be a great spot for him.[/quote]

I wouldn't put much stock into mock drafts this early in the season.[/quote]

This discussion was had last year, but that site was pretty spot on. Obviously if we have nice run in BET or win a couple games in the tourney his stock will go up. But again think it is more important where he goes as opposed to when.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=309750]I feel confident Ponds will dominate in whatever way needed each game the rest of the way. He's driven to make this year one that gets him to his individual goals and keeping team/winning first.[/quote]

Interesting watching Ponds play this year, it doesn't even seem like he's turned it up all the way, except for a couple of games where he needed to save us. I expect him to reach another gear for the upcoming Big East schedule.
 
I'm surprised no one has compared Ponds to Kemba Walker. They very similar in stature, both have killer instincts on the court, and both have very similar stats. Of course Kemba was absolutely ridiculous in the NCAA tournament, but UCONN barely got into the NCAAs - so it's not like Kemba was a perfect player in his college career.

Stats, and they are favorable to Mr. Ponds: 1st year, 2nd year, 3rd year respectively:

[attachment=585]Ponds vs Walker2.JPG[/attachment]
Kemba was also primarily playing against non-power 5 conference opponents during the regular season. Arguably, Ponds' competition is better, during the regular season.

Key questions:

How many other PGs of similar stature, have comparable stats to the two above, against similar competition - that never get drafted?

How is Kemba's athleticism and speed vs. Ponds? It's hard to remember back when Kemba was in college, but if I remember correctly he was pretty athletic... Is Ponds athletic enough?

I think the numbers above, show that clearly, that Ponds has the shooting to be a good NBA player. He can seemingly really pass now, as well. He has a super-high FT%, and good form - which I think NBA execs use to predict future outside three-point shooting. He has the assists, the steals, low turnovers etc...

This bodes well for him.

Thoughts?
 
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[quote="SJ_NYC" post=309779]I'm surprised no one has compared Ponds to Kemba Walker. They very similar in stature, both have killer instincts on the court, and both have very similar stats. Of course Kemba was absolutely ridiculous in the NCAA tournament, but UCONN barely got into the NCAAs - so it's not like Kemba was a perfect player in his college career.

Stats, and they are favorable to Mr. Ponds: 1st year, 2nd year, 3rd year respectively:

[attachment=585]Ponds vs Walker2.JPG[/attachment]
Kemba was also primarily playing against non-power 5 conference opponents during the regular season. Arguably, Ponds' competition is better, during the regular season.

Key questions:

How many other PGs of similar stature, have comparable stats to the two above, against similar competition - that never get drafted?

How is Kemba's athleticism and speed vs. Ponds? It's hard to remember back when Kemba was in college, but if I remember correctly he was pretty athletic... Is Ponds athletic enough?

I think the numbers above, show that clearly, that Ponds has the shooting to be a good NBA player. He can seemingly really pass now, as well. He has a super-high FT%, and good form - which I think NBA execs use to predict future outside three-point shooting. He has the assists, the steals, low turnovers etc...

This bodes well for him.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.
Kemba is way more explosive and athletic than Shamorie Ponds. Ponds comparison should be more like Kyle Lowry than kemba.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=309751]At this point, I think play of Ponds, Clark & Figgy and for the most part Heron is a given. What we need for a super year is improved play from Simon and a significant contribution from a healthy Keita. I have a good feeling about this bunch.[/quote]

The thing about Simon is he's the fifth option in the set offense. Last year he was the third or fourth option. I'm not worried about his offensive numbers this year. He contributes in many ways both on defense and offense.
 
[quote="SJ_NYC" post=309785]No disrespect taken. I just have a hard time remembering how quick / dominant Kemba was in college.[/quote]

I've compared him to Kemba multiple times, to crickets, so I just assumed I was the only one. Kemba's pace of play is certainly quicker but I see similarities.
 
The draft criteria for Ponds, or any other player for that matter, is not points scored, games won as a collegian, assists, or any other statistic. The criteria is how GMs project a player to be successful playing the NBA game, plain and simple. Ponds will have a successful pro career whether it is in the NBA or elsewhere.
 
I don’t see Kemba or Lowry. He’s gonna have to do it his own way. Nick Van Exel is the best comp in my opinion but I can’t really think of one playing now. Think We are sju said he was a smaller Deangelo Russel and I can see that a bit. I don’t think his rebs and steals can be taken lightly. Those will transfer over.
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=309866]I don’t see Kemba or Lowry. He’s gonna have to do it his own way. Nick Van Exel is the best comp in my opinion but I can’t really think of one playing now. Think We are sju said he was a smaller Deangelo Russel and I can see that a bit. I don’t think his rebs and steals can be taken lightly. Those will transfer over.[/quote]

A long time ago I thought that Jerome lane of Pitt was cant miss, and that Indiana's best player in 76 was going to be a superstar. Both flamed out. I thought Lane compared to Barkley which seems ridiculous now but in hindsight then also.
 
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