Shamorie Ponds

[quote="Ray Morgan" post=321076][quote="Monte" post=321075][quote="montyaloofah" post=321072]Som positive comments from Jeff Borzello of espn on us and Shamorie. Think we all feel this but always nice to hear recognition of potential.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25937770/ya-got-duke-uva-rematch

Keeping in mind that the last SIX Final Fours have included at least one 7-seed or worse, give us one team currently outside the AP top 25 that has the ability to make a realistic Final Four run come March.

Medcalf: Mike Daum is averaging 24.9 points and 11.3 rebounds for a South Dakota State team that has made 42.7 percent of its 3-pointers this season, comparable to the mark Loyola-Chicago had when it began its Final Four run a year ago. The Jackrabbits, who have lost only one league game this season, and the 6-foot-9 Daum could get hot in March.

Borzello: The easy way out would be to pick one of the teams in "Others receiving votes." The Washingtons, the Auburns, the Baylors. But I'll go a step further. I think St. John's will be an annoying team to play, and if Shamorie Ponds gets hot, the Red Storm can make a run. I tend to get infatuated with teams that have guys who can go get a bucket late in a game, and the Red Storm might have the best one in the country in Ponds. He can carry them.[/quote]

To me, the X factor is Keita. If he can continue to improve and can give us quality minutes, we can do some real damage in both the Big East and NCAA tourneys. He adds depth and size to our team. Our two biggest weaknesses.[/quote]

That block at the end of the half on Howard was huge. He came out of nowhere. Team doesn't need any major contributions from him. A put-back, a key block, some rebounding and nice defense. He plays hard, even diving for a loose ball and landing on the repaired knee.[/quote]

Kid plays real hard and is tough!!!!! I wonder if anyone is questioning toughness or his desire to play as they where during his rehabilitation. That is why you let things play out.
 
[quote="Section3" post=321070][quote="rawdognyc" post=321049]If you're starting a team, who do you pick first, Ponds or Donte DiVincenzo? I know Donte is a few inches taller, but I think Ponds is by far the superior player, yet Donte went 17th in the draft[/quote]
Donte has physical advantage in height. His strength in college was hitting open shots. Didn’t break his man down and was not a great defender. Without the great final game don’t think he gets drafted when he did. Struggling to shoot well in NBA. Last I checked 39%.

Ponds more gifted player and scorer. If size was equal not even close.[/quote]

If you are starting an NBA team with either player you must be tanking for Zion. ;)
 
Say what you want about Shamorie, I'm just gonna enjoy watching him play for the Red & White for the rest of the season
 
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=321129]Say what you want about Shamorie, I'm just gonna enjoy watching him play for the Red & White for the rest of the season[/quote]

Truly worth price of admission, a fun watch. We’ll miss him, so appreciate his remaining time.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=321131][quote="MarkRedman" post=321129]Say what you want about Shamorie, I'm just gonna enjoy watching him play for the Red & White for the rest of the season[/quote]

Truly worth price of admission, a fun watch. We’ll miss him, so appreciate his remaining time.[/quote]

May it be long and prosperous . . .
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=321131][quote="MarkRedman" post=321129]Say what you want about Shamorie, I'm just gonna enjoy watching him play for the Red & White for the rest of the season[/quote]

Truly worth price of admission, a fun watch. We’ll miss him, so appreciate his remaining time.[/quote]

I am going to really appreciate the eight regular season games and the nine postseason games he has left.
 
The Duke game offered a glimpse into how Ponds could stack up in the NBA and obviously it wasn't pretty. As Dickie V said about Ponds during the broadcast, "when you're 6"1", you need to bring something special." (Implying that he wasn't.)

Now, maybe it's also a coaching issue on our behalf. Don't know. I'd love to see Ponds stick around one more year and get his degree. But that sadly doesn't appear to be in the cards.
 
Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.
 
Mean Gene , I don't think Ponds has the attitude that he is an all star. He is just not a loud team leader and there is no one on the roster who has that type of personality, which has been a problem.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I agree. Saying he has no killer instinct is just way over the line, or do I have to point out the Cal, VCU, Georgia Tech, Georgetown, Creighton, and Marquette victories this year?
 
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Over the years SJU had many players who had the personality of a competitor who seemed to be able to influence their teammates to raise their effort when the effort being put out on the court was sub par like today. Those players are better than what shows in the box score.
Artist, Singleton, Pointer, Brust, and Kevin Williams are just a few I recall.
 
The refs were very hard on us calling touch fouls. I saw providence players pushing our guys and they never caught a foul.i dont think the big east refs like mulling and I think they bend over to call fouls against us. And I keep thinking of the Sexton hall game the refs stole from us too.

Ponds needs to shoot more
 
[quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I understand that 41. Ponds is our best player and as I said is immensely talented. But he , like the rest of this team has a very lackadaisical attitude and just glide through games at times. Like today. Players that are leaders and have that killer instinct don’t do this. They don’t glide through games like they don’t have care in the world. The effort is not there all the time and it has to be. As another poster said on another thread , it’s like they think they’re better than they are and Ponds is just as guilty of that as the other players are. Great players don’t fall victim to this. Again, he is our best player and we would be totally lost without him but there is no excuse for his seemingly lack of effort at times along with the other players on the team. When great players are in a position where themselves and their team control their own destiny they nail shit down. Ponds for all his talent just doesn’t have that mentality on a consistent enough basis.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=321675][quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I understand that 41. Ponds is our best player and as I said is immensely talented. But he , like the rest of this team has a very lackadaisical attitude and just glide through games at times. Like today. Players that are leaders and have that killer instinct don’t do this. They don’t glide through games like they don’t have care in the world. The effort is not there all the time and it has to be. As another poster said on another thread , it’s like they think they’re better than they are and Ponds is just as guilty of that as the other players are. Great players don’t fall victim to this. Again, he is our best player and we would be totally lost without him but there is no excuse for his seemingly lack of effort at times along with the other players on the team. When great players are in a position where themselves and their team control their own destiny they nail shit down. Ponds for all his talent just doesn’t have that mentality on a consistent enough basis.[/quote]

I agree. Ponds really isn't trying hard enough. Leading the Big East in Assists and Steals, and 3rd in scoring in an embarrassment to St. John's University.
 
[quote="Room112" post=321677][quote="Mean Gene" post=321675][quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I understand that 41. Ponds is our best player and as I said is immensely talented. But he , like the rest of this team has a very lackadaisical attitude and just glide through games at times. Like today. Players that are leaders and have that killer instinct don’t do this. They don’t glide through games like they don’t have care in the world. The effort is not there all the time and it has to be. As another poster said on another thread , it’s like they think they’re better than they are and Ponds is just as guilty of that as the other players are. Great players don’t fall victim to this. Again, he is our best player and we would be totally lost without him but there is no excuse for his seemingly lack of effort at times along with the other players on the team. When great players are in a position where themselves and their team control their own destiny they nail shit down. Ponds for all his talent just doesn’t have that mentality on a consistent enough basis.[/quote]

I agree. Ponds really isn't trying hard enough. Leading the Big East in Assists and Steals, and 3rd in scoring in an embarrassment to St. John's University.[/quote]

I never said he was an embarrassment to the university. None of these kids are an embarrassment to the university. They are all good kids by all accounts. We are talking strictly about their performance on the basketball court. I said Ponds was an immensely talented player. The effort is just not there sometimes. It wasn’t there today, it wasn’t there in the Georgetown game , it wasn’t there in the Butler game. That’s a fact, this team just don’t show up every game and Ponds is just much a part of that the other guys are. He has good stats but stats are like bikinis, they show a lot but they don’t show everything.
 
This team has lots of problems. Ponds isn't one of them.
Its a travesty that one of the best players in Johnny history will never get to see the tournament. If the staff cant make the tourney with Ponds, a talented roster and in a year when the conference is a bit down, there is no chance of success when Ponds is gone and the BE returns to form.

Still time to make a run but I don expect them to magically figure out over the next few games what they haven't over the past few.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=321691][quote="Room112" post=321677][quote="Mean Gene" post=321675][quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I understand that 41. Ponds is our best player and as I said is immensely talented. But he , like the rest of this team has a very lackadaisical attitude and just glide through games at times. Like today. Players that are leaders and have that killer instinct don’t do this. They don’t glide through games like they don’t have care in the world. The effort is not there all the time and it has to be. As another poster said on another thread , it’s like they think they’re better than they are and Ponds is just as guilty of that as the other players are. Great players don’t fall victim to this. Again, he is our best player and we would be totally lost without him but there is no excuse for his seemingly lack of effort at times along with the other players on the team. When great players are in a position where themselves and their team control their own destiny they nail shit down. Ponds for all his talent just doesn’t have that mentality on a consistent enough basis.[/quote]

I agree. Ponds really isn't trying hard enough. Leading the Big East in Assists and Steals, and 3rd in scoring in an embarrassment to St. John's University.[/quote]

I never said he was an embarrassment to the university. None of these kids are an embarrassment to the university. They are all good kids by all accounts. We are talking strictly about their performance on the basketball court. I said Ponds was an immensely talented player. The effort is just not there sometimes. It wasn’t there today, it wasn’t there in the Georgetown game , it wasn’t there in the Butler game. That’s a fact, this team just don’t show up every game and Ponds is just much a part of that the other guys are. He has good stats but stats are like bikinis, they show a lot but they don’t show everything.[/quote]

I just don't know what more you expect from Ponds. Keep in mind He's shooting nearly 40% from 3 point range, and NEVER has an uncontested 3 pointer!! That's miraculous.

Also keep in mind every opposing team keys in on him so nothing is ever easy, and he still thrives.

In my opinion he's done all you could have asked and more this year. I'm sorry if one game changes your opinion of his entire performance.
 
[quote="Room112" post=321693][quote="Mean Gene" post=321691][quote="Room112" post=321677][quote="Mean Gene" post=321675][quote="41ndone" post=321644][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Stop it, we would be in last place for the 3rd year running without him.[/quote]

I understand that 41. Ponds is our best player and as I said is immensely talented. But he , like the rest of this team has a very lackadaisical attitude and just glide through games at times. Like today. Players that are leaders and have that killer instinct don’t do this. They don’t glide through games like they don’t have care in the world. The effort is not there all the time and it has to be. As another poster said on another thread , it’s like they think they’re better than they are and Ponds is just as guilty of that as the other players are. Great players don’t fall victim to this. Again, he is our best player and we would be totally lost without him but there is no excuse for his seemingly lack of effort at times along with the other players on the team. When great players are in a position where themselves and their team control their own destiny they nail shit down. Ponds for all his talent just doesn’t have that mentality on a consistent enough basis.[/quote]

I agree. Ponds really isn't trying hard enough. Leading the Big East in Assists and Steals, and 3rd in scoring in an embarrassment to St. John's University.[/quote]

I never said he was an embarrassment to the university. None of these kids are an embarrassment to the university. They are all good kids by all accounts. We are talking strictly about their performance on the basketball court. I said Ponds was an immensely talented player. The effort is just not there sometimes. It wasn’t there today, it wasn’t there in the Georgetown game , it wasn’t there in the Butler game. That’s a fact, this team just don’t show up every game and Ponds is just much a part of that the other guys are. He has good stats but stats are like bikinis, they show a lot but they don’t show everything.[/quote]

I just don't know what more you expect from Ponds. Keep in mind He's shooting nearly 40% from 3 point range, and NEVER has an uncontested 3 pointer!! That's miraculous.

Also keep in mind every opposing team keys in on him so nothing is ever easy, and he still thrives.

In my opinion he's done all you could have asked and more this year. I'm sorry if one game changes your opinion of his entire performance.[/quote]

Maybe I am being too hard on him. Just extremely frustrated after today’s game.
 
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