Shamorie Ponds

It’s incredible to me how many schmucks on this board post stupid crap.

I thought Zach’s article was spot on. Ponds has flaws but he’s the best player we’ve had since Artest. Yes, that includes Marcus Hatren and Dwight Hardy.

Enjoy him. Who knows when we’ll ever have somebody this good to enjoy for three seasons.
 
[quote="Tommy O 54" post=321564]Marcus Howard just secured the POY ![/quote]

There is a lot of season left.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Good Guy Gene is unfortunately feeling mean today after the loss. Sorry that you see this loss being all on Ponds. I thought he showed up. We lost not because Ponds was not spectacular but rather because Herron was injured and DNP , Simons and Clark had very poor games, Figueroa was average, Trimble and Williams were below average and Keita did not grab a board. I won’t even mention the staff. But if the only players that had good games were Ponds and Roberts we are certainly not going to win many games.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=321750][quote="Mean Gene" post=321633]Ponds is an immensely talented college player but he is not a leader and does not have the killer instinct, size or outside shooting ability to play at the next level. He plays with the attitude that he is already an NBA All-Star meanwhile he hasn’t even really accomplished anything at the College level yet.[/quote]

Good Guy Gene is unfortunately feeling mean today after the loss. Sorry that you see this loss being all on Ponds. I thought he showed up. We lost not because Ponds was not spectacular but rather because Herron was injured and DNP , Simons and Clark had very poor games, Figueroa was average, Trimble and Williams were below average and Keita did not grab a board. I won’t even mention the staff. But if the only players that had good games were Ponds and Roberts we are certainly not going to win many games.[/quote]

Agreed Redmennorth. It’s not all on Ponds by any stretch. My point is that this entire team just seems lackadaisical and lacking effort and energy at times. That includes Ponds albeit not nearly as much as the other players on this team. Maybe it just seems like that with him because he’s tired of being double teamed al the time and switched defensively on to bigger stronger players , I don’t know. I do wish he would be more of a vocal leader although I understand that is not his style but sometimes you need to break out of your comfort zone to do what needs to be done or accomplish what needs to be accomplished.

I am on the Executive Board of the largest independent union in the country. Getting up in front of people and speaking at membership meetings and board meeting still makes me nervous to this day and I have been doing it for years. My stomach still gets nervous before a meeting where I have to speak and I have done it 100 times. But, there is a greater cause that needs to addressed and goals that need to be accomplished. So. I need to overcome all of that and I need to do what needs to be done to be successful personally and to ensure the success of our union. Point being, It seems Ponds is not comfortable being that vocal guy and vocal leader but he needs to do what he needs to do even if it’s uncomfortable for him. It’s what this team needs and he is our best player. It’s what being a leader is all about. He might not be comfortable in that role but his stature on this team has almost forced him into that role and this team needs someone to step up in that space because it’s vacant right now and out coaching staff doesn’t seem to be filling the space either. Not bashing the kid, he’s a kid, but I just feel that we really need the complete package from him right now in addition to just putting up great numbers. I also feel that if he shows that type of leadership potential it will only help his prospects for the next level. Sometimes we have to do things that make us uncomfortable or that are contrary to our personalities in order to acive our goals in life. Every successful person does to some extent. Again, I know Shamorie is a great kid by all accounts.
 
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I turned to my buddy, a Providence guy, with about 10 minutes left(I think Sham had 18 pts then) and said “if Shamorie doesn’t go for 30+ today we loose”. We needed Shamorie to come up huge yesterday as we’ve needed him to do multiple times over the past 3 seasons. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn’t. Guess same could be said for anyone. Great great player for us. The one knock I have is that he doesn’t play consistently enough with the “eye of the Tiger”.
 
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I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

I thought Clark and/or Simon would be that guy(s). Every successful team has at least one guy like that. It doesn’t have to be one of the better players, but it needs to be someone.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=321766][quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

I thought Clark and/or Simon would be that guy(s). Every successful team has at least one guy like that. It doesn’t have to be one of the better players, but it needs to be someone.[/quote]

There is no personality on the team that is the vocal "take charge" kinda guy. No knock on anybody just a fact, so bemoaning the issue is pointless. LJ is the closest to that type, but he's deferring to the three guys who have been here the longest. Maybe next year he steps into that roll.
 
[quote="Section9" post=321767][quote="Monte" post=321766][quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

I thought Clark and/or Simon would be that guy(s). Every successful team has at least one guy like that. It doesn’t have to be one of the better players, but it needs to be someone.[/quote]

There is no personality on the team that is the vocal "take charge" kinda guy. No knock on anybody just a fact, so bemoaning the issue is pointless. LJ is the closest to that type, but he's deferring to the three guys who have been here the longest. Maybe next year he steps into that roll.[/quote]

Not bemoaning the issue. Wasn’t referring to our team when I said “it needs to be someone”. Just meant that generally speaking. Having said that, Simon is a pretty vocal guy and handles the ball a lot as well. So more surprised that he hasn’t taken the reigns over anyone else, but it is what it is. Agree that LJ is deferring this year and I see it being his team next year.
 
Monte wrote: Not bemoaning the issue. Wasn’t referring to our team when I said “it needs to be someone”. Just meant that generally speaking. Having said that, Simon is a pretty vocal guy and handles the ball a lot as well. So more surprised that he hasn’t taken the reigns over anyone else, but it is what it is. Agree that LJ is deferring this year and I see it being his team next year.

I could be wrong, but Simon strikes me as being vocal in a rah-rah kind of way rather than someone who is comfortable getting in his teammates faces when needed.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=321779]Monte wrote: Not bemoaning the issue. Wasn’t referring to our team when I said “it needs to be someone”. Just meant that generally speaking. Having said that, Simon is a pretty vocal guy and handles the ball a lot as well. So more surprised that he hasn’t taken the reigns over anyone else, but it is what it is. Agree that LJ is deferring this year and I see it being his team next year.

I could be wrong, but Simon strikes me as being vocal in a rah-rah kind of way rather than someone who is comfortable getting in his teammates faces when needed.[/quote]

Justin does have leadership skills but, like Tariq Turner, lacks the technical basketball skills to be a consistent player.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

With all do respect I think this is completely unfair and really just made up. There were plenty of games at sju during dlo’s career where we were left wondering if the team ever showed up to play or not. They go about it different ways and I love them both.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=321919][quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

With all do respect I think this is completely unfair and really just made up. There were plenty of games at sju during dlo’s career where we were left wondering if the team ever showed up to play or not. They go about it different ways and I love them both.[/quote]

Well said. To start pinning losses on our best player, directly/indirectly and in ways that are not even measurable, is a very very slippery slope, and completely misguided and off based.

He did not owe us anything this season. He's here, and he plays as hard as he can each and every game. All we can ask for.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=321919][quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

With all do respect I think this is completely unfair and really just made up. There were plenty of games at sju during dlo’s career where we were left wondering if the team ever showed up to play or not. They go about it different ways and I love them both.[/quote]

Love D'Angelo but his Junior year I remember one game in particular, at MSG on a February weeknight against Xavier, basically a must win game with the hole we dug ourselves in earlier in the Big East season. Had 4 points in the game and we lost and subsequently didn't make the tournament. Shamorie is an incredible talent and there's only so much he can do. Not fair to either guy to compare their ability to lead a team.
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=321923][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=321919][quote="Jack Williams" post=321764]I’m not trying to rag on Shamorie at all because he is incredible and I’m so glad we have him for at least another month.

But at the game yesterday all I could think about was how D’Angelo Harrison would never let St John’s come out and play as flat as they did at the garden in front of all
Those fans.

When DLo made the tournament we were lights out at home in big east play. We started out 0-2 in conference at home with losses to Nova/SHU and then went 7-0 down the stretch. defending home court was important to that group and you could tell.

Dangelo was more of a natural leader and way more passionate on the court, I just wish we had someone who could play that role for us[/quote]

With all do respect I think this is completely unfair and really just made up. There were plenty of games at sju during dlo’s career where we were left wondering if the team ever showed up to play or not. They go about it different ways and I love them both.[/quote]

Love D'Angelo but his Junior year I remember one game in particular, at MSG on a February weeknight against Xavier, basically a must win game with the hole we dug ourselves in earlier in the Big East season. Had 4 points in the game and we lost and subsequently didn't make the tournament. Shamorie is an incredible talent and there's only so much he can do. Not fair to either guy to compare their ability to lead a team.[/quote]

Was thinking of the very same game. Plus the opening round BE tourney game against providence at MSG. Both duds with potentially a lot to gain from wins.
 
Ponds has won a bunch of games for us by taking over down the stretch. Clutch baskets, free throwing shooting and defensive plays. Probably more than any player we have had, ever. VCU and Marquette with baskets in the last minute. Georgia Tech by taking over the game. He has done everything that has been asked short of winning the games 1 on 5. The late 3 with the shot clock running down last year against Duke. I am sure there are others. Completely fearless player in the clutch. He is not perfect. Mariano Rivera blew some key saves, too, but he would bounce back next game. The key is the great players want the ball in their hands, and want it again even if they miss. He is not the problem here.
 
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Just read an article on the Knicks where reference was made to this year's draft being very shallow. Hopefully that will work to Shamorie's advantage, especially if he and his teammates go on a nice end of year run starting tonight.
 
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