(POST-GAME) @Seton Hall (Pru Ctr), Sat. Dec. 29, 8:30p, FSN / 570AM

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“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=310397]And I’m relatively sure clock went from 3.9 to 3.4[/quote]

It did.
 
Last year, when we played them out there, they called a T on Mullin in the final minute or so of a tight game, even though he didn't say a thing to the refs. Then, when we played them at MSG, Delgado got away with two blatant offensive elbows to start OT, handing 4 points to the Pirates, in a game they would eventually win by 4. Then tonight.

It's 8 on 5 late in these games, whenever we play these guys. I mean, it's not like Seton Hall is a nationally great program. It would be wrong anyway, even it they were, but three straight times? Something's got to be up here.
 
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[quote="Mean Gene" post=310394]If we don’t beat Marquette everyone can put those NCAA pipe dreams to bed. This thing will spiral if we don’t win that game because then we play Georgetown and we have absolutely no answer for Govan if Nzei was able to do what he did and then off to Villanova. Fughedaboutit!!!![/quote]

Clark, right now our only guy of size, has yet to show that he can avoid commiting really really stupid fouls. Those last 2 calls on him were inexcusable. Granted he’s not a low post player on offensive, but he is a relatively big body on D. Without him on the court, we have no one over 6’5”. Not good.
 
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[quote="espken" post=310391]The refs also screwed us by calling fouls on Seton Hall allowing Heron and Ponds to shoot FT's.
Seriously, you couldn't hand pick two better options on this team to seal the game.[/quote]

I’m pissed off right now but let me just say Heron in the second half bothered the hell out of me. He is the most predictable offensive player we have had since Nurideen Lindsey. Taking a contested long 2 with your foot on the line with the shot clock NOT running down is the epitome of low offensive iq. And of course ponds did not play well down the stretch, in fact it was more like absolute shit the last 5 minutes but we have seen it work this season.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]
So what you are saying is that it is even worse than I imagined as the rules were not applied correctly. Great. Officials don't know the rules.
 
The last call was horrendous but, in all fairness, we blew the game
We were outscored 17-6 in the final 6:35 of the game
The outcome should never have come down to that play
We shared the ball beautifully for most of the game and got great shots
When you have 5 guys capable of scoring, spread the floor and move the ball around
It worked like a charm for more than 30 minutes tonight
Then we had a brain fart and started playing 1 on 1 with everyone standing around
Makes it a lot easier to defend us
We need to learn from this experience and play smart for 40 minutes, not only 30
That may work against mid majors but not in the Big East
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]

But was it an “inadvertent” whistle?
 
[quote="Monte" post=310408][quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]

But was it an “inadvertent” whistle?[/quote]

Good question! He may have assumed LJ was going out of bounds.
 
[quote="ron s m" post=310399][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310397]And I’m relatively sure clock went from 3.9 to 3.4[/quote]

It did.[/quote]

That's what I thought, too, thought with what they eventually called, that probably screwed the Hall more then it did us, and they still won it.

I'm sure will get a statement from the Big East listing the mistakes the refs made at the end of the game, and an apology, but no replay, which will make us feel all warm and fuzzy afterwards (that's sarcasm at the end, BTW). I just hope this does not start a downward spiral like last year, although I think this team is too good for it to get THAT bad.
 
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A possible explanation?
Perhaps they got the ball because the ref thought Fig was out of bounds and blew the whistle ( wrongly).
That stopped the Heron break.
Then when they realized the clock didnt start, they studied the tape a long time but to check on how much time to take off between the time Fig hit the ball up and the time he took to tap it and (not) step out of bounds.
So they deducted the time up to the (wrong) whistle but gave it to Seton Hall because the call was already made the ball was out on us.
That sounds like there was at least some logic to what happened. It wasnt an inadvertent whistle...it was purposeful...and wrong.
Thoughts?
 
[quote="sjc88" post=310404][quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]
So what you are saying is that it is even worse than I imagined as the rules were not applied correctly. Great. Officials don't know the rules.[/quote]

Correct in that these incompetent refs didn't know what the fck they were doing but our staff obviously didn't have a clue either. Thus none of our coaches had the tools to vigorously challenge the call. This is yet another reason that the AD MUST push for adding an experienced COLLEGE assistant to this staff. Mitch must return to special advisor role.
 
The team did not blow the game. What did everyone think? Seton Hall would lay down on their home court in the Big east opener against an undefeated rival? The team was exhausted, primarily because of what everyone should have seen all along. No size, and the one guy we have with size and bulk doesn't rebound. Fighting bigger bodies wiped out the legs of the starters. Still, they battled back and deserved the win. The Heron and Ponds miss were the only 2 of the night. We were killed on the offensive glass, giving up 15 rebounds to a team that doesn't rebound. This team has talent, but was let down by a staff that couldn't find a big, serviceable body in 4 years.
 
[quote="redmaninalbany" post=310415]A possible explanation?
Perhaps they got the ball because the ref thought Fig was out of bounds and blew the whistle ( wrongly).
That stopped the Heron break.
Then when they realized the clock didnt start, they studied the tape a long time but to check on how much time to take off between the time Fig hit the ball up and the time he took to tap it and (not) step out of bounds.
So they deducted the time up to the (wrong) whistle but gave it to Seton Hall because the call was already made the ball was out on us.
That sounds like there was at least some logic to what happened. It wasnt an inadvertent whistle...it was purposeful...and wrong.
Thoughts?[/quote]

Agree, the ref anticipated LJ going out of bounds & blew the whistle.
 
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