(POST-GAME) @Seton Hall (Pru Ctr), Sat. Dec. 29, 8:30p, FSN / 570AM

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[quote="Jack Williams" post=310370][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310353][quote="Jack Williams" post=310338][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Need I remind you guys how we beat VCU? What goes around comes around. We lost because we played schoolyard ball the entire second half and missed 3 opportunities to close the game out. 1. Clark moving pick with a chance to go up 2 possessions. 2 and 3. Heron and ponds free throws.

One of the worst St. John’s losses in a longgg Time. Don’t know what to even say right now[/quote]

A foul call is subjective.[/quote]

It was a foul and you know it. My point is everyone gets screwed by refs sometimes. Earlier this year to our advantage, and now not so much.

It’s unfortunate call. No doubt upsetting. I’d much rather focus on why that game got to that point. Because it wasn’t pretty[/quote]

it got to that point because we did not even try to run a cohesive offensive set
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310343][quote="Monte" post=310323]Stop all the f’in whining about the refs. We handed them the game. 7 minutes of stupid one on one ball with zero points. Ponds and Heron both miss rhe front end of one and ones in the last minute. Clark with stupid moving pick foul. Fig with no touches down the stretch because Ponds and Heron want to play hero ball. I could go on. Of all the reasons we lost, and there were many, the refs were the least of the reasons.[/quote]

Can it not be both? Of course we played like shit down the stretch, but truth is, the absolute truth is, we did enough to win. LJ made a game winning defensive play and an even better play to keep it in bounds. Fuck that ref and fuck the rules that say you can change an out of bounds call but only when it involves two players. Refs can take hours to review calls but still can’t be given the opportunity to correct their horrendous mistakes.[/quote]

Yeah it was both, but I’m way more pissed at our guys for putting us in a position to allow incompetant refs to decide the game.
 
[quote="Monte" post=310367][quote="Paultzman" post=310333][quote="Monte" post=310323]Stop all the f’in whining about the refs. We handed them the game. 7 minutes of stupid one on one ball with zero points. Ponds and Heron both miss rhe front end of one and ones in the last minute. Clark with stupid moving pick foul. Fig with no touches down the stretch because Ponds and Heron want to play hero ball. I could go on. Of all the reasons we lost, and there were many, the refs were the least of the reasons.[/quote]
The missed call was so egregious that it just infuriated me, but your comments are spot on Monte.[/quote]

I think I was so furious at our guys for the previous 8 minutes, that what the refs did to us at the end almost seemed secondary to me. We didn’t deserve to win.[/quote]

Same here. What a nightmare game. Not even the second half. The first half too. We had that great start and seton hall was gift wrapping us chances to go up by 20+ and really end it. They were missing layups and throwing the ball into our guys chests. But we just couldn’t pull away. Let them hang around the whole time in the 7-11 point range. You can’t do that on the road. A couple shots and the crowd explodes.

What’s most frustrating is even after seton hall finally took the lead, we took back control of the game with the clutch Heron free throws. And then we had two chances at the line to at least make it a three point game. So frustrating
 
“Deserve to lose” is a subjective opinion. “We lost because of a blown call” is a fact. Without that call, the fact would be a win.
 
[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=310374][quote="Jack Williams" post=310370][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310353][quote="Jack Williams" post=310338][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Need I remind you guys how we beat VCU? What goes around comes around. We lost because we played schoolyard ball the entire second half and missed 3 opportunities to close the game out. 1. Clark moving pick with a chance to go up 2 possessions. 2 and 3. Heron and ponds free throws.

One of the worst St. John’s losses in a longgg Time. Don’t know what to even say right now[/quote]

A foul call is subjective.[/quote]

It was a foul and you know it. My point is everyone gets screwed by refs sometimes. Earlier this year to our advantage, and now not so much.

It’s unfortunate call. No doubt upsetting. I’d much rather focus on why that game got to that point. Because it wasn’t pretty[/quote]

it got to that point because we did not even try to run a cohesive offensive set[/quote]

We tend to revert to one-on-one play when the pressure is on.
 
So we out play them at home for 30 plus minutes and a horrendous call by the refs on a stellar play by lj fig gets negated now we suck....win Tuesday and we are good.
 
[quote="Johnnie Drama" post=310366][quote="Mean Gene" post=310354][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Agreed, there has to be a way to protest the game. The new AD should be on the phone with Val Ackerman right now. I don’t think we rebound from this so quick. This feeling like deja vu all over again from last season. Key guy injured not coming back . Start out losing conference games. If Nzei did what he did, Theo John will kill us[/quote]

Theo John is averaging 6 pts and 4 reb per game. Not sure why he would even be brought up?[/quote]

Wait until he plays us, then you will see. Nzei is no world beater either.
 
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The most incompetent refs I have seen in a long time!
They did not stop the last  play because of the clock but supposedly discover the clock wasn't started by the home clock watcher? Ball should have been St. John's.  We were robbed!
As for our play in the last 3 minutes it was all on Ponds.  Failed to play smart point by taking hero ball shots. The Clark charge was a killer.  We were more talented but undisciplined and lacking court leadership.  Bad look for Ponds by the scouts.  Lost a lot of credibility tonight.
Heron and Ponds missing their foul shots showed the amount of lack of concentration by our players in crunch time.
Hopefully this demoralizing loss doesn't have long term effects on these guys.
Not sure what the coaches were saying in those closing minutes but whatever crap calls they designed fell on deaf ears, especially Ponds who just decided to play hero ball and forgot to run the clock and pass the ball.
 
Officiating in all sports has become a joke since the advent of instant replay. So a good experienced team puts that game away, plain and simple. Yes, it was an inexplicably bad decision to reward a team for officials mistakes and the clock explanation is just comical but if you keep playing team ball for 40 minutes instead of 35 it’s not a one point game. Also did not catch who was “guarding” Reynolds but someone please explain why anyone would sag in the middle with 3 seconds left. You either attack the ball hard on a double or you face guard your man.
 
[quote="Johnnie Drama" post=310373]I'm not buying all this nonsense how we deserved to lose. The refs completely screwed that last call, which ultimately cost us the game. They have a job to do and blatantly fucked it up there.[/quote]

They screwed us the entire second half... AND the last play. Like our drought or not, we had it won. Refs gave them the ball for no good reason at all. It’s absurd.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=310338][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Need I remind you guys how we beat VCU? What goes around comes around. We lost because we played schoolyard ball the entire second half and missed 3 opportunities to close the game out. 1. Clark moving pick with a chance to go up 2 possessions. 2 and 3. Heron and ponds free throws.

One of the worst St. John’s losses in a longgg Time. Don’t know what to even say right now[/quote]


Oh shut the hell up with that VCU nonsense. You don’t know if that guy ( who was 2-7 BTW) would’ve hit those free throws, but we ACTUALLY STOLE THE BALL.

Screw that nonsense.
 
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Hopefully, the team can circle the wagons and realize that it's us against the world.
Bitter loss, mixed performances, step back and regroup.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=310370][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310353][quote="Jack Williams" post=310338][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Need I remind you guys how we beat VCU? What goes around comes around. We lost because we played schoolyard ball the entire second half and missed 3 opportunities to close the game out. 1. Clark moving pick with a chance to go up 2 possessions. 2 and 3. Heron and ponds free throws.

One of the worst St. John’s losses in a longgg Time. Don’t know what to even say right now[/quote]

A foul call is subjective.[/quote]

It was a foul and you know it. My point is everyone gets screwed by refs sometimes. Earlier this year to our advantage, and now not so much.

It’s unfortunate call. No doubt upsetting. I’d much rather focus on why that game got to that point. Because it wasn’t pretty[/quote]

Agree completely. We can’t change what the refs did, but we sure as hell can change our inept play of the last 8 minutes. So F the refs and their F’d up call and let’s work on avoiding that kind of meltdown moving forward.
 
The refs also screwed us by calling fouls on Seton Hall allowing Heron and Ponds to shoot FT's.
Seriously, you couldn't hand pick two better options on this team to seal the game.
 
If we don’t beat Marquette everyone can put those NCAA pipe dreams to bed. This thing will spiral if we don’t win that game because then we play Georgetown and we have absolutely no answer for Govan if Nzei was able to do what he did and then off to Villanova. Fughedaboutit!!!!
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=310370][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310353][quote="Jack Williams" post=310338][quote="IDRAFT" post=310331]Seton Hall is a tough team and had a lot of help before the last 4 seconds. We deserved to win for a simple reason - we won. LJF stoke the ball and tapped it to Heron. The game was over. LJF also had a big block on Powell. Just because the nonsense after that happened doesn’t mean SJU did not make those plays at crunch time.[/quote]

Need I remind you guys how we beat VCU? What goes around comes around. We lost because we played schoolyard ball the entire second half and missed 3 opportunities to close the game out. 1. Clark moving pick with a chance to go up 2 possessions. 2 and 3. Heron and ponds free throws.

One of the worst St. John’s losses in a longgg Time. Don’t know what to even say right now[/quote]

A foul call is subjective.[/quote]

It was a foul and you know it. My point is everyone gets screwed by refs sometimes. Earlier this year to our advantage, and now not so much.

It’s unfortunate call. No doubt upsetting. I’d much rather focus on why that game got to that point. Because it wasn’t pretty[/quote]

It was a foul, but missed fouls happen and it is more understandable because they are subjective. There is also nothing a ref can do about it after the fact. Out of bounds is black and white, and to have reviews in place makes little sense when you can’t make the right call.
 
I made myself a few drinks so please don’t be upset if I’m belaboring someone else’s point, but if that ref doesn’t blow the whistle, the ball goes to Heron on a one on one with 3.5 seconds going to their basket. The game is over and we win. Figueroa won the game, plain and simple. Yes we were gassed, yes we missed a couple of key front end one and ones, but we were robbed at the replay booth. I know some of you don’t like Coach, don’t like our recruiting, don’t like Ponds, etc., but we won that game and a quick bad whistle cheated the boys of their undefeated streak. If that doesn’t fit your fan site agenda, oh well.
 
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