(POST-GAME) @Seton Hall (Pru Ctr), Sat. Dec. 29, 8:30p, FSN / 570AM

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[quote="Marillac" post=310439][quote="SJU61982" post=310436][quote="ErickTheRed" post=310434]So inadvertent whistle go to possession arrow?[/quote]

It would be if that was the call, but I don't think it was an inadvertent whistle. I think they called LJ for being out of bounds, when he was not.[/quote]

That is an inadvertent whistle. You can't just guess what will happen.[/quote]

Ass U Me.... The old Ralph Kramden, Honeymooner reference. Should be applied to the clown show we watched tonight from the officiating crew.
 
What an utter disgrace. The way we played the last 10 minutes, Ponds not engaged from a scoring sense early on, the Refs. so effing poor, the disparity in fouls, and the fact we have no inside presence!!
 
How is an inadvertent whistle defined? To me, it's inadvertent because the ref blew the whistle when he should have kept it around his neck. You think a guy steps out of bounds and blow the whistle, but his foot was an inch inbounds, it's an intentional whistle. You blow it before anything happens, its not mean to have happened.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=310441][quote="Marillac" post=310439][quote="SJU61982" post=310436][quote="ErickTheRed" post=310434]So inadvertent whistle go to possession arrow?[/quote]

It would be if that was the call, but I don't think it was an inadvertent whistle. I think they called LJ for being out of bounds, when he was not.[/quote]

That is an inadvertent whistle. You can't just guess what will happen.[/quote]

Ass U Me.... The old Ralph Kramden, Honeymooner reference. Should be applied to the clown show we watched tonight from the officiating crew.[/quote]

Great line, thought it was from the odd couple though.
 
What’s worse about it all is that it was an inadvertent whistle they tried to cover up with a lie, by saying the review was for the clock not starting. Which it did. They’re complicit here because they should have just called it an inadvertent whistle and then given us the possession arrow.
 
We played great basketball to start the game and stayed steady for much of the rest of the game. The last seven minutes were disappointing. LJ made a couple of great plays at the end and the refs certainly made a bad call but I left feeling more disappointed with the way the team and coaches managed those seven minutes then the bad call at the end.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=310439][quote="SJU61982" post=310436][quote="ErickTheRed" post=310434]So inadvertent whistle go to possession arrow?[/quote]

It would be if that was the call, but I don't think it was an inadvertent whistle. I think they called LJ for being out of bounds, when he was not.[/quote]

That is an inadvertent whistle. You can't just guess what will happen.[/quote]

Sadly, refs do so all the time. Usually, it's on fouls, though.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=310443]How is an inadvertent whistle defined? To me, it's inadvertent because the ref blew the whistle when he should have kept it around his neck. You think a guy steps out of bounds and blow the whistle, but his foot was an inch inbounds, it's an intentional whistle. You blow it before anything happens, its not mean to have happened.[/quote]

That ref was "anticipating" calls that went against us all night.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=310433][quote="IDRAFT" post=310423][quote="Class of 72" post=310416][quote="sjc88" post=310404][quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]
So what you are saying is that it is even worse than I imagined as the rules were not applied correctly. Great. Officials don't know the rules.[/quote]

Correct in that these incompetent refs didn't know what the fck they were doing but our staff obviously didn't have a clue either. Thus none of our coaches had the tools to vigorously challenge the call. This is yet another reason that the AD MUST push for adding an experienced COLLEGE assistant to this staff. Mitch must return to special advisor role.[/quote]

This is a good point. SJU staff was WAY too passive while this was incorrectly sorted out.[/quote]

They weren't passive! They were clueless! There are no college coaches on this team with the knowledge to argue the obvious. This would have not been called with a coach K, Jim B or any other respected college coach. Fraschilla caught it immediately.[/quote]

Except it was not an inadvertent whistle and therefore nothing to argue or go to the possession arrow. FF as usual clueless. Inadvertent whistle is one blown when there is no call to made, it was a legit whistle, just an anticipated horrible call since Figeuroa was not out of bounds. So instead of being able to use replay to rectify the mistake, the officials had to start tap dancing to try and save face because inexplicably out of bounds plays can only be reviewed if two players are involved. Obviously the refs knew they blew it, so they came up with the asinine clock review and explanation to wipe out the steal play completely and give SH the old “do over.” The refs certainly could and probably should have called the whistle inadvertent and given us the ball but...............
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=310438][quote="Monte" post=310367]I think I was so furious at our guys for the previous 8 minutes, that what the refs did to us at the end almost seemed secondary to me. We didn’t deserve to win.[/quote]

That sounds similar to my thinking as well.[/quote]

Wonder if LJ feels that way
 
When you hold a team to 22% from three on the road, you are supposed to win. When you give up 15 offensive rebounds, you are supposed to lose. I still say that Seton Hall saw our tired legs, and they stepped up their defensive intensity. You have to earn every victory in the Big East. I thought we did enough, but got jobbed. Still, some bigs would be nice. As for Keita, we all have to admit we don't have a clue about how much he is capable of contributing. Even less so with the injury.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=310442]What an utter disgrace. The way we played the last 10 minutes, Ponds not engaged from a scoring sense early on, the Refs. so effing poor, the disparity in fouls, and the fact we have no inside presence!![/quote]

Ponds got locked down. McKnight was awesome. I love Ponds but I'd have a real tough time drafting him after seeing this. He got OWNED by McKinght who was too quick for him. Almost all of his his assists came going downhill after pressure by SH that gave him space. He did nothing in the half court.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=310444][quote="sjc88" post=310441][quote="Marillac" post=310439][quote="SJU61982" post=310436][quote="ErickTheRed" post=310434]So inadvertent whistle go to possession arrow?[/quote]

It would be if that was the call, but I don't think it was an inadvertent whistle. I think they called LJ for being out of bounds, when he was not.[/quote]

That is an inadvertent whistle. You can't just guess what will happen.[/quote]

Ass U Me.... The old Ralph Kramden, Honeymooner reference. Should be applied to the clown show we watched tonight from the officiating crew.[/quote]

Great line, thought it was from the odd couple though.[/quote]

You are correct! I stand corrected. Odd Couple it is! Getting old my memory is slipping.

 
The refs choked but not nearly as badly as Ponds choked. He couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean tonight yet he’s clanking jumper after jumper on key possessions and misses a crucial one and one. But at least he impressed the globetrotters.
 
I DVR’d the game and just watched that play over and over again. The clock def started. The ref blew the whistle almost immediately after Fig touched the ball. That’s why only .4 seconds went off the clock. The ref immediately looked lost after he made the call, running right over to the ref on the baseline. I don’t think he thought the ball and/or Fig was out of bounds. I honestly have no clue what he thought.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=310437][quote="MarkRedman" post=310425][quote="Ray Morgan" post=310418]The team did not blow the game. What did everyone think? Seton Hall would lay down on their home court in the Big east opener against an undefeated rival? The team was exhausted, primarily because of what everyone should have seen all along. No size, and the one guy we have with size and bulk doesn't rebound. Fighting bigger bodies wiped out the legs of the starters. Still, they battled back and deserved the win. The Heron and Ponds miss were the only 2 of the night. We were killed on the offensive glass, giving up 15 rebounds to a team that doesn't rebound. This team has talent, but was let down by a staff that couldn't find a big, serviceable body in 4 years.[/quote]


We do have a big serviceable body who is injured and unable to play
If Heron hadn't become available late in the spring, we would have had another one
It's hard to pass on a player as talented as Heron so I don't blame the staff for that decision[/quote]

Injured? Give me a break. He has no heart, there is a difference. He wasn't injured enough to miss pregame shootaround or to dance around on the sidelines. He'll be on the court against Marquette in less than 48 hours.[/quote]

This loss had zero to do with Keita or the lack of height. In fact, the loss had everything to do with our shortest player playing less than intelligent basketball in the last 10 minutes. I love Shamorie but he shot 2-13 and 1-6 from three with 5 costly turnovers that cost us 10 points. His passing and steals in the first half were wiped out by utter incompetent decision making in the second half.
And, not to absolve the coaches of any blame in the loss, why did Trimble end up playing 18 minutes to Greg Williams 9 minutes? Williams clearly was quicker and guarded better but Mullin and company were seemingly asleep at the wheel when they kept Trimble in during crunch minutes where he struggled to guard the quicker pirates.
 
Nice D by Heron on that last possession. WTF was he doing?


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[quote="Class of 72" post=310456][quote="Marillac" post=310437][quote="MarkRedman" post=310425][quote="Ray Morgan" post=310418]The team did not blow the game. What did everyone think? Seton Hall would lay down on their home court in the Big east opener against an undefeated rival? The team was exhausted, primarily because of what everyone should have seen all along. No size, and the one guy we have with size and bulk doesn't rebound. Fighting bigger bodies wiped out the legs of the starters. Still, they battled back and deserved the win. The Heron and Ponds miss were the only 2 of the night. We were killed on the offensive glass, giving up 15 rebounds to a team that doesn't rebound. This team has talent, but was let down by a staff that couldn't find a big, serviceable body in 4 years.[/quote]


We do have a big serviceable body who is injured and unable to play
If Heron hadn't become available late in the spring, we would have had another one
It's hard to pass on a player as talented as Heron so I don't blame the staff for that decision[/quote]

Injured? Give me a break. He has no heart, there is a difference. He wasn't injured enough to miss pregame shootaround or to dance around on the sidelines. He'll be on the court against Marquette in less than 48 hours.[/quote]

This loss had zero to do with Keita or the lack of height. In fact, the loss had everything to do with our shortest player playing less than intelligent basketball in the last 10 minutes. I love Shamorie but he shot 2-13 and 1-6 from three with 5 costly turnovers that cost us 10 points. His passing and steals in the first half were wiped out by utter incompetent decision making in the second half.
And, not to absolve the coaches of any blame in the loss, why did Trimble end up playing 18 minutes to Greg Williams 9 minutes? Williams clearly was quicker and guarded better but Mullin and company were seemingly asleep at the wheel when they kept Trimble in during crunch minutes where he struggled to guard the quicker pirates.[/quote]

Ponds was awful no doubt, but if you don't cringe when you see a team give up 15 offensive rebounds, then the stat sheet must not be important to you.
 
[quote="Logen" post=310449][quote="Class of 72" post=310433][quote="IDRAFT" post=310423][quote="Class of 72" post=310416][quote="sjc88" post=310404][quote="Paultzman" post=310398]Fran F
“To clarify on the final inbounds play by Seton Hall. St. John’s was about to steal the ball when the official ruled the play dead. On Inadvertent whistle, if there is no possession by either team, it goes to the “possession arrow.” I believe St. John’s had the arrow.”[/quote]
So what you are saying is that it is even worse than I imagined as the rules were not applied correctly. Great. Officials don't know the rules.[/quote]

Correct in that these incompetent refs didn't know what the fck they were doing but our staff obviously didn't have a clue either. Thus none of our coaches had the tools to vigorously challenge the call. This is yet another reason that the AD MUST push for adding an experienced COLLEGE assistant to this staff. Mitch must return to special advisor role.[/quote]

This is a good point. SJU staff was WAY too passive while this was incorrectly sorted out.[/quote]

They weren't passive! They were clueless! There are no college coaches on this team with the knowledge to argue the obvious. This would have not been called with a coach K, Jim B or any other respected college coach. Fraschilla caught it immediately.[/quote]

Except it was not an inadvertent whistle and therefore nothing to argue or go to the possession arrow. FF as usual clueless. Inadvertent whistle is one blown when there is no call to made, it was a legit whistle, just an anticipated horrible call since Figeuroa was not out of bounds. So instead of being able to use replay to rectify the mistake, the officials had to start tap dancing to try and save face because inexplicably out of bounds plays can only be reviewed if two players are involved. So they came up with the asinine clock explanation to wipe out the steal play completely and give SH the old “do over.”[/quote]

False. An inadvertent whistle has ALWAYS been used as a catch-all to cleanup bad calls as a last resort when a make-up call will not do. This is also done regularly in football.

You don't really think an indadvetsnt whistle is just a ref blowing the whistle on accident do you?
 
I have nothing else to say other than I'm SUPER ****ING PISSED.

Absolute worst way to "lose".

Time for bed. Such a disgusting game.
 
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