Pitino - Love/Hate Thread

[paultzman]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

One would think

 

[monte]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

I'll tell you one thing.   If by any improbable chance we expressed interest in Pitino, odds on he would use that interest to parlay it into a better offer somewhere else more desirable.

At his age, with his money, living back in his home town, coaching in the Big East, coaching at MSG, with a project like returning our program back to glory, which would make him the toast of NY and of all college basketball,  why in the world would he use this as a stepping stone to somewhere more desirable? 

 

[monte]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

One would think

One would, but one would also wonder lol 

 

[room112]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

 

[fuchsia]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

Thank you 112.  We have finally reached the core Nietzsche argument of "good vs bad compared to good vs evil."  Interesting that Pitino is the instrument for our reaching that discussion point.

 

[monte]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

112 there are "rules" and then there are "ethics". When the 2 greatest coaches in the history of college basketball built their programs using questionable ethics and undoubtedly breaking some rules, it tells you all that you need to know about the state of college basketball. And for those who claim that our own beloved program has been above repooach all these years, I laugh at that notion. We have fans on his board who are still pissed at Willard for hiring Tiny, claiming he broke some honor code amongst coaches, or some such nonsense. I sure wish we had hired Tiny, especially after watching him work the gym at CTK. . But then again there are fans out there who are still pissed at Larry Brown for hiring Ed Manning. Meanwhile Larry Brown laughed all the way to a National Championship with Danny. Reality is that this is a dirty business. I'm not suggesting that we should break any rules, but I'm also not nearly as hung up on "ethics" as a lot of our fan base. Maybe because I never thought that college basketball was a very ethical business to begin with. 

 

[austour]

In addition to Fran, wasn't Jarvis coaching GWU when Louie recommended him for the SJU job?

 

To be fair, Jarvis recommended himself when Louie asked for a POV, very Dick Cheney-ian.

 

[beast of the east]

In 2018 Iona men's basketball attendance averaged 1650 per game.

This year so far, about 2000.  It's not like Pitino has ignited interest among fans and students.    

 

 

[dee]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

One would think


Well  we had our chance and we blew it
 

 

[dee]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

One would think


Well  we had our chance and we blew it
 

 

[monte]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

One would think


Well  we had our chance and we blew it

 

I get not taking a chance on him then. I would not understand not taking a chance on him if he does his penance at Iona, and if the opportunity presented itself again. And for the record, I don't need to hear a public apology from Pitino. That's between him and his employer. Clearly Iona was fine with whatever he told them. Not sure why SJU wouldn't be, but something tells me they wouldn't be. 

 

[beast of the east]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

You've just formed an opinion the way Barry Bonds did when he decided to start using PEDs. Bonds, like Pitino, forever stained what he had accomplished previously, by cheating. It's funny, because we've conditioned ourselves to accept the destruction of the sanctity of athletic competition by tolerating cheating in collegiate sports. To consider that sneaker companies have willfully funded cheating at Louisville and other schools, but escaped punishment is enough of an indicator that college sports is a largely dirty business.

 

[room112]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

You've just formed an opinion the way Barry Bonds did when he decided to start using PEDs. Bonds, like Pitino, forever stained what he had accomplished previously, by cheating. It's funny, because we've conditioned ourselves to accept the destruction of the sanctity of athletic competition by tolerating cheating in collegiate sports. To consider that sneaker companies have willfully funded cheating at Louisville and other schools, but escaped punishment is enough of an indicator that college sports is a largely dirty business.

I get it Beast, trust me I do. I really don't care enough on the matter to start ranting and raving that we need Pitino. I'm fine supporting CMA. It's just that at some point we have to look in the mirror and realize we're the only ones playing by the rules. This is a multi million dollar business and it seems schools understand the price of success to reap those rewards.

 

[RedStormNC]

I don't endorse paying under table but have softened on it over years, especially now with NIL a form of approved payment.

It's really interesting that it's called cheating to offer a player some financial incentive to play for them.   But it's just a competitive advantage when a school can offer a player a luxury residence and pro style training facilities while other schools might only offer 10 x 15 cinder block style dorm rooms and metal bunk beds or outdated gyms etc.

We seem to treat paying good players to help win, almost as bad as paying players or a coach to throw a game.  

 

 

[beast of the east]

After reading this thread and consider it from all angles, I've changed my mind, and I'd welcome Pitino. The main reason for the change is, it almost feels like we are the only program being ethical and playing by the rules. If everyone else is doing it, might as well join them. 

You've just formed an opinion the way Barry Bonds did when he decided to start using PEDs. Bonds, like Pitino, forever stained what he had accomplished previously, by cheating. It's funny, because we've conditioned ourselves to accept the destruction of the sanctity of athletic competition by tolerating cheating in collegiate sports. To consider that sneaker companies have willfully funded cheating at Louisville and other schools, but escaped punishment is enough of an indicator that college sports is a largely dirty business.

I get it Beast, trust me I do. I really don't care enough on the matter to start ranting and raving that we need Pitino. I'm fine supporting CMA. It's just that at some point we have to look in the mirror and realize we're the only ones playing by the rules. This is a multi million dollar business and it seems schools understand the price of success to reap those rewards.

I want to be clear that I'm not attacking you. You are one of the best and most balanced posters and I enjoy reading your perspectives. I've hung in as a season ticket holder since 1978. It's frustrating not to win the way we'd like to. I compensate for this by enjoying watching good kids develop as players and young men, by making sure when we make a dance I travel to soak in the excitement, if we are moving in the right direction I've come to be okay with it.

Make no mistake about this. CMA has done pretty well here with the talent he's had. I'm well aware that more than anything we need players, and am hopeful we can get there with his staff.

Until then, I've gotten to know many fans from here in person, just about everyone in the AD, and am as positive as I've been about our direction since Looie.

 

[classof2010]

Go get Rick! Enough of the bs! 

 

[Knight]

NEVER PITINO.

 

[Mullins Revenge]

If we are going to go after guys with a shady history, wouldnt sean miller be a better choice?  Hes much younger then pitino.

 

[fordham96]

You want a ballsy move.

Hire Pitino and pair him with Archie Miller or Mark Turgeon or soneone like that. Make them coach in waiting.  Ask Rick to give you 5 years of everything he has get the program at a top level then hand it off to the coach in waiting.

About as much chance in that happening as me becoming a Cowboys fan but it would be a ballsy move.

 

[Jack Williams]

If we are going to go after guys with a shady history, wouldnt sean miller be a better choice?  Hes much younger then pitino.

Miller cheated and still could never get over the hump. Pass