Pitino - Love/Hate Thread

[beast of the east]

Sorry for the spelling error. I don’t KNOW any thing, except the higher ups have a tall task restoring our BB program. Furthermore, I was just giving my opinion.

Well, since you said that he is running a squeaky clean program at Iona, I thought that was a declarative statement and you had some inside information.   A leopard doesn't change his spots, and Pitino has been at this a long time.   I hope he is clean, and I wish him well.    There are a ton of other coaches available with D1 experience.   Why on earth should we go down the route one more time of a coach who is defective is one way or another (fired by someone else, no HC experience, etc.)   We have yet to hire an employed HC since Looie left.    When the time comes, maybe we try something different the way most successful schools do - hire someone without baggage who someone else wants besides us.

 

[bamafan]

Sorry for the spelling error. I don’t KNOW any thing, except the higher ups have a tall task restoring our BB program. Furthermore, I was just giving my opinion.

Well, since you said that he is running a squeaky clean program at Iona, I thought that was a declarative statement and you had some inside information.   A leopard doesn't change his spots, and Pitino has been at this a long time.   I hope he is clean, and I wish him well.    There are a ton of other coaches available with D1 experience.   Why on earth should we go down the route one more time of a coach who is defective is one way or another (fired by someone else, no HC experience, etc.)   We have yet to hire an employed HC since Looie left.    When the time comes, maybe we try something different the way most successful schools do - hire someone without baggage who someone else wants besides us.

Frashilla was employed as men's head basketball coach at Manhattan when St. John's hired him. Also while facilities are one important factor in recruiting hearing that NIL is even more important (Texas A&M in football just had top ranked class of all time since rankings started and it is attributed to sweet NIL deals in fact before this year's class even started head coach Jimbo Fisher promised fans they would have the number one class-guess he knew something). As the former GM of the Giants George Young used to say "When they say it isn't about the money it's about the money".

 

[Las Vegan]

In addition to Fran, wasn't Jarvis coaching GWU when Louie recommended him for the SJU job?

 

[classof2010]

Rick Pitino is winner case closed. I don’t want to hear about morality and other bs. I want to win. For the most part, we have not been relevant for close to 3 decades. The last time we won a tournament game, I was in middle school. The last time we played on a Friday night of the BE Tournament was same year. If it’s not about winning, let’s drop division 1 sports because it’ll save us all money. I want to win as alum and a fan. Slick Rick is the most viable option!

 

[Red Drum]

Catholic college = Morality
 

 

[classof2010]

Well I spent three years at the school ( semester abroad best thing I did at the school) trust me didn’t see a whole a lot morality just a few hypocrites and money gauging by the administration. However, had some good times and memories! I want to see winning basketball! Pitino coaches winning basketball!

 

[Section3]

Yeah I do.  Facilities is no the same as conference. A great coach could overcome some of those things.

Trust me he would get players here.  Again he has many flaws but Rick would kill it at SJU.

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Baggage aside, have to agree. He would kill it here. Lavin proved that you can sell SJ nationally to top players. Just didn’t have the staying power. That is something that Pitino doesn’t lack in addition to his coaching ability which is, as you say top 2-3.

I watched Iona play Monmouth the other night. They aren’t a great, nor extremely talented, team but he makes the whole better than the sum of the parts. Demands commitment on defense. I don’t think he will bring in 4-5 star talent to Iona for the reasons you noted. Despite its history of dominance in the MAAC, it is not nationally relevant and will never be unless they start trading up conference-wise (neither are we but we were and have potential based on conference and a faded but storied history). If he had 10-15 years ahead of him, he might make them nationally relevant. But, he doesn’t and unless his ambitions have tempered, will probably move on to a program that gives him a better chance of getting back to the top sooner.

 

[L J S A]

Catholic college = Morality

 

Iona = Catholic college

 

[MainMan]

I agree

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Rick Pitino is winner case closed. I don’t want to hear about morality and other bs. I want to win. For the most part, we have not been relevant for close to 3 decades. The last time we won a tournament game, I was in middle school. The last time we played on a Friday night of the BE Tournament was same year. If it’s not about winning, let’s drop division 1 sports because it’ll save us all money. I want to win as alum and a fan. Slick Rick is the most viable option!

I hope this is not indicative of how most of our fan base/alumni have devolved. 

 

[MainMan]

When you realize the whole NCAA amateur status is a sham, you feel less ire towards the Tarkanians and Pitinos of the world.
Good on them for paying players.
Someone should.

 

 

[monte]

I'm all about forgiveness, especially if forgiveness could result in us being a top 25 program again. We are SJU, not Kentucky or Louisville. The expectations here are much lower. Pitino could achieve "success" here with his eyes closed, and without resorting to any dirty dealings. Especially with players now being able to legally get paid.  Pitino doesn't need the money, he's got plenty of it, so that's not why he'd be coming here. He's already been to the mountain top and IMO would like one last trip there before hanging it up. That most likely won't happen and Iona, and could very well happen here. My guess is that he privately apologized to the folks at Iona for his past transgressions, and asked for forgiveness and made Iona feel confident that he would play by the rules. I can't imagine that he wouldn't  be willing to do the same with Shanley and Cragg. Putting aside the fact that he may have once offended Red Auerbach, or maybe didn't shake Louie's hand after a game, or once didn't acknowledge one of our fans, I think he'd make a great fit here,  and at the perfect time. Having said that, it's all a pipe dream.
 In the mean time, I'll continue to support CMA, just like I did for the last 6 coaches, and hope that he's the right man for the job...just as I hoped for our last 6
coaches. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

I'm all about forgiveness, especially if forgiveness could result in us being a top 25 program again. We are SJU, not Kentucky or Louisville. The expectations here are much lower. Pitino could achieve "success" here with his eyes closed, and without resorting to any dirty dealings. Especially with players now being able to legally get paid.  Pitino doesn't need the money, he's got plenty of it, so that's not why he'd be coming here. He's already been to the mountain top and IMO would like one last trip there before hanging it up. That most likely won't happen and Iona, and could very well happen here. My guess is that he privately apologized to the folks at Iona for his past transgressions, and asked for forgiveness and made Iona feel confident that he would play by the rules. I can't imagine that he would be willing to do the same with Shanley and Cragg. Putting aside the fact that he may have once offended Red Auerbach, or maybe didn't shake Louie's hand after a game, or once didn't acknowledge one of our fans, I think he'd make a great fit here,  and at the perfect time. Having said that, it's all a pipe dream.
 In the mean time, I'll continue to support CMA, just like I did for the last 6 coaches, and hope that he's the right man for the job...just as I hoped for our last 6
coaches. 

Lots of talk at Maryland that they may bring in Pitino as their former coach Williams said they should. On a Maryland message board I saw, most fans were against it because of Pitino being a sleaze.

 

[monte]

I'm all about forgiveness, especially if forgiveness could result in us being a top 25 program again. We are SJU, not Kentucky or Louisville. The expectations here are much lower. Pitino could achieve "success" here with his eyes closed, and without resorting to any dirty dealings. Especially with players now being able to legally get paid.  Pitino doesn't need the money, he's got plenty of it, so that's not why he'd be coming here. He's already been to the mountain top and IMO would like one last trip there before hanging it up. That most likely won't happen and Iona, and could very well happen here. My guess is that he privately apologized to the folks at Iona for his past transgressions, and asked for forgiveness and made Iona feel confident that he would play by the rules. I can't imagine that he would be willing to do the same with Shanley and Cragg. Putting aside the fact that he may have once offended Red Auerbach, or maybe didn't shake Louie's hand after a game, or once didn't acknowledge one of our fans, I think he'd make a great fit here,  and at the perfect time. Having said that, it's all a pipe dream.
 In the mean time, I'll continue to support CMA, just like I did for the last 6 coaches, and hope that he's the right man for the job...just as I hoped for our last 6
coaches. 

Lots of talk at Maryland that they may bring in Pitino as their former coach Williams said they should. On a Maryland message board I saw, most fans were against it because of Pitino being a sleaze.

To each his own, and pretty ironic considering that Lefty was their most prominent coach. Anyhow I think the fan base would get over themselves pretty quickly once he had Md contending for a national title. Having said that, I believe his next stop will be his last, and I don't see his last stop being Maryland. 

 

[monte]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

 

[rehobie]

There is a tourney set up next year at the garden that has Syracuse,  St. John’s  Temple and a fourth team.  Iona would be a perfect fourth team.  Curiosity alone would put fannies in the seats,  but would fear of embarrassment prevent this?  Syracuse and St Johns have long claimed they are New York’s team.  Would they like to find out?

 

[beast of the east]

There is a tourney set up next year at the garden that has Syracuse,  St. John’s  Temple and a fourth team.  Iona would be a perfect fourth team.  Curiosity alone would put fannies in the seats,  but would fear of embarrassment prevent this?  Syracuse and St Johns have long claimed they are New York’s team.  Would they like to find out?

Going to guess that garden sellouts are the goal, so Iona wouldn't be a great choice with their small fan base.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

 

[monte]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

 

[beast of the east]

Not sure what Md message board you're talking about, but they seem to like the idea of Pitino on this one;

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...ball-coaching-search-thread-177224093/?page=1

And as someone who has many friends who attended Md, I can't think of one of them who wouldn't want Md to jump at the chance to get Pitino if they could. 

In 3 pages of comments on that link, Pitino was mentioned 5 times, three by the same guy. He favored him, another said maybe, and another said no. 
I looked at the SB Nation Maryland site.

I'm saying that if you took a poll of fans at most schools, especially non-Catholic schools, that have D1 basketball programs, that the vast majority would be in favor of hiring Pitino if there was a coaching vacancy. I would even venture a guess that if you took a poll here, the majority(maybe not "vast", but we're a special breed here) would be in favor of hiring Pitino if he were still available when a coaching vacancy opened up. Im not saying they would take Pitino over CMA, I'm saying that if CMA were gone, and Pitino were available, that the majority of our fan base would be in favor of hiring him. 

I'll tell you one thing.   If by any improbable chance we expressed interest in Pitino, odds on he would use that interest to parlay it into a better offer somewhere else more desirable.