Pitino - Love/Hate Thread

[classof2010]

There was another big news story the week Chang committed suicide, because the scandal would’ve been national headlines.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Harrington was an outsider,


 

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Rev. Father Donald Harrington served as President of St. John’s for 23 consecutive years and you want us to believe he was an “outsider” 

spin, spin, spin.

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

 

[usguard]

Because we are desperate ioi

 

[otis]

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

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it is disappointing that Proud’s post omitted any criticism whatsoever of the alleged misdeeds of the  prior most senior administrators at our beloved St. John’s but noted that s/he is “ashamed” of opinions of posters.  

let me restate; I am not advocating hiring Mr. Pitino but merely noting that the reported dealings of St. John’s officials have not always been honorable.  

IMO,  if you criticize Mr. Pitino you must also acknowledge that the conduct of St. John’s officials has not always been distinguishing in a positive manner.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

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it is disappointing that Proud’s post omitted any criticism whatsoever of the alleged misdeeds of the  prior most senior administrators at our beloved St. John’s but noted that s/he is “ashamed” of opinions of posters.  

let me restate; I am not advocating hiring Mr. Pitino but merely noting that the reported dealings of St. John’s officials have not always been honorable.  

IMO,  if you criticize Mr. Pitino you must also acknowledge that the conduct of St. John’s officials has not always been distinguishing in a positive manner.

That is a silly misdirection. This isn’t a Harrington Was Bad thread. It’s a Pitino thread. No one here is going to defend Harrington or his unethical actions. Those have nothing to do with whether a fan should favor cheating and a sleazy coach for our alma mater now. 

 

[beast of the east]

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

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it is disappointing that Proud’s post omitted any criticism whatsoever of the alleged misdeeds of the  prior most senior administrators at our beloved St. John’s but noted that s/he is “ashamed” of opinions of posters.  

let me restate; I am not advocating hiring Mr. Pitino but merely noting that the reported dealings of St. John’s officials have not always been honorable.  

IMO,  if you criticize Mr. Pitino you must also acknowledge that the conduct of St. John’s officials has not always been distinguishing in a positive manner.

Big difference is that when the university conducted an investigation on Chang's dealings, she was fired and subjected to criminal prosecution.   When Harrington and Wile's dealings were discovered, they were both fired immediately.    The discussion here is whether or not to hire a coach who has had at least 3 known significant transgressions on his reputation, and likely committed more over a lengthy career.   There is no evidence that the dealings of Chang, Harrington, and Wile ever cast a wider net on the university community - and that's my point.    Harrington and Wile were finished in education as a result of their deeds.   Chang would have gone to jail and be finished also.    Pitino, because he satisfies the greed of those wishing to cash in on the spoils of victory, survives.

 

[redmannorth]

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

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it is disappointing that Proud’s post omitted any criticism whatsoever of the alleged misdeeds of the  prior most senior administrators at our beloved St. John’s but noted that s/he is “ashamed” of opinions of posters.  

let me restate; I am not advocating hiring Mr. Pitino but merely noting that the reported dealings of St. John’s officials have not always been honorable.  

IMO,  if you criticize Mr. Pitino you must also acknowledge that the conduct of St. John’s officials has not always been distinguishing in a positive manner.

That is a silly misdirection. This isn’t a Harrington Was Bad thread. It’s a Pitino thread. No one here is going to defend Harrington or his unethical actions. Those have nothing to do with whether a fan should favor cheating and a sleazy coach for our alma mater now. 

Could not possibly agree with you Proud Alum. The thread is about Pitino whom everyone acknowledges is one of the greatest coaches of modern era. The only reason behind not hiring him at SJU is his past transgresssions. Posters have correctly pointed out that SJU itself has been involved in more than one horrible transgressions. So before we throw stones maybe we should look in the mirror. Comparing apples with apples. 

 

[beast of the east]

What Harrington did years ago doesn’t justify hiring a cheating sleaze today. I’m ashamed at every alumn here calling for disregarding morals and ethics. 

—
it is disappointing that Proud’s post omitted any criticism whatsoever of the alleged misdeeds of the  prior most senior administrators at our beloved St. John’s but noted that s/he is “ashamed” of opinions of posters.  

let me restate; I am not advocating hiring Mr. Pitino but merely noting that the reported dealings of St. John’s officials have not always been honorable.  

IMO,  if you criticize Mr. Pitino you must also acknowledge that the conduct of St. John’s officials has not always been distinguishing in a positive manner.

That is a silly misdirection. This isn’t a Harrington Was Bad thread. It’s a Pitino thread. No one here is going to defend Harrington or his unethical actions. Those have nothing to do with whether a fan should favor cheating and a sleazy coach for our alma mater now. 

Could not possibly agree with you Proud Alum. The thread is about Pitino whom everyone acknowledges is one of the greatest coaches of modern era. The only reason behind not hiring him at SJU is his past transgresssions. Posters have correctly pointed out that SJU itself has been involved in more than one horrible transgressions. So before we throw stones maybe we should look in the mirror. Comparing apples with apples. 

First off, St. John's would be standing with every school who did not move to consider Pitino.   

Would we have fired a coach who did any of the things Pitino's programs did:   1) hiring hookers to service recruits 2) married coach having intercourse with a waitress in the back room of a restaurant on a table 3) conspired with sneaker companies to pay recruits 6 figures in cash to come to that school.   

The whole conversation is ridiculous.   As an attorney you'd likely advise SJU to steer very clear of a potential hire with that reputation. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

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That is a silly misdirection. This isn’t a Harrington Was Bad thread. It’s a Pitino thread. No one here is going to defend Harrington or his unethical actions. Those have nothing to do with whether a fan should favor cheating and a sleazy coach for our alma mater now. 

Could not possibly agree with you Proud Alum. The thread is about Pitino whom everyone acknowledges is one of the greatest coaches of modern era. The only reason behind not hiring him at SJU is his past transgresssions. Posters have correctly pointed out that SJU itself has been involved in more than one horrible transgressions. So before we throw stones maybe we should look in the mirror. Comparing apples with apples. 

This is illogical. If you had some indication that the school is currently engaging in and condoning unethical behavior, that would be relevant. What Harrington did years ago, and that he was pushed out and the other actors fired for it, is irrelevant to hiring a cheating sleaze coach today. 

 

[fuchsia]

I am old enough to remember a time when there was on-going discussion about whether the NCAA or the NIT was the true national championship tournament in Men's BB.  I started at NYU the year after Satch led them to the Final Four of the NCAA.  Ohio St. with Jerry Lucas won the NCAA and Bradley won the NIT.  Given that the National Media was centered in New York City the presence of one of New York's premier teams drew attention to whatever tournament they were in. 

I bring this up because some part of me suspects that there is even today a lingering anti-STJ anti-NY bias in the NCAA.  Any opportunity to taint NY hoops is too easy to pass up by the Indiana based governance of the NCAA.  

It means that hiring any coach with a less than stellar cleanliness record is higher risk for STJ than any other program... which may be the bottom line on us never touching Pitino.

And of course, when Digger left Fordham, he wound up in Indiana.

 

[monte]

I am old enough to remember a time when there was on-going discussion about whether the NCAA or the NIT was the true national championship tournament in Men's BB.  I started at NYU the year after Satch led them to the Final Four of the NCAA.  Ohio St. with Jerry Lucas won the NCAA and Bradley won the NIT.  Given that the National Media was centered in New York City the presence of one of New York's premier teams drew attention to whatever tournament they were in. 

I bring this up because some part of me suspects that there is even today a lingering anti-STJ anti-NY bias in the NCAA.  Any opportunity to taint NY hoops is too easy to pass up by the Indiana based governance of the NCAA.  

It means that hiring any coach with a less than stellar cleanliness record is higher risk for STJ than any other program... which may be the bottom line on us never touching Pitino.

And of course, when Digger left Fordham, he wound up in Indiana.

Fuchsia I'm not saying that you're wrong, but explain to me why the suits at the NCAA would want to sabotage the only high D1 team in the largest media market in the entire country? I don't get it purely from a monetary standpoint, but then again I don't get a lot of things. 

 

[Moose]

I want to see Pitino at SJU just for the pure enjoyment factor of seeing the little that's left of the fanbase imploding.

 

[SJU85]

The previous administrations alleged misconduct is probably one of the reasons that I feel Pitino was not and will not be offered the HC position.  Not something this administration which had no involvement wants to have to revisit nor answer questions and possible negativity.  Iona was willing to, and that was their decision.

I know people who have either played for him or worked for him in previous stops and they love him.  No doubt Pitino is nationally known, who can still coach and recruit.  His hire would be welcome by some and not by others as this thread has shown.  Quite frankly, I think it is a moot point as I don't see it happening for many reasons.  While I would not be surprised if someone else comes knocking on his door to see if he was interested, I also would not be surprised if he stuck it out at Iona as it is a challenge for him to make it the "Gonzaga" of the east. 


 

 

[paultzman]

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[RedStormNC]

Zach article - knows how to time articles to rile up the frustrated portion of the SJU base


In just his second year, Rick Pitino has made Iona a MAAC powerhouse

https://nypost.com/2022/01/29/how-r...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

 

[Section3]

Zach article - knows how to time articles to rile up the frustrated portion of the SJU base


In just his second year, Rick Pitino has made Iona a MAAC powerhouse

https://nypost.com/2022/01/29/how-r...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

Definitely trolling fan base and perhaps the coach as well.

Pitino is absolutely a great coach and has Iona playing well. Powerful MAAC level team? Yes. Mid-major that can compete against a good team on a given day? Yes. National contender as the original click bait headline read? Not a chance.

Pitino is doing a good selling job in addition to coaching. Actively selling Iona on Twitter as he needs and should do at this point.

 

[otis]

Gee, it seems that if Mr. Braziller did not read Redmen.com then he would have to come up with his own ideas as to what to write.

 

[RedStormNC]

Gee, it seems that if Mr. Braziller did not read Redmen.com then he would have to come up with his own ideas as to what to write.

Maybe Anderson should start reading the board..

 

[beast of the east]

Zach's big mistake is that he thinks that the opinions posted here reflect the fan base at large.

He is an idiot because taking shots at our program shrinks the fan base and puts his own job as sju beat writer in jeopardy.     

It didn't help creeps like Dick Young to take shots at local teams as he alienated his readers.  Zach should take note.

 

[kranmars]

I want to see Pitino at SJU just for the pure enjoyment factor of seeing the little that's left of the fanbase imploding.

Not that anyone does or should care, but I would like to see Pitino here because he will inject life into this dead program. But if things do implode, then at least it will be quick. More or less akin to being in front of a firing squad. I would take that over the water boarding-like torture we are being put through.