Pitino - Love/Hate Thread

Flirting with a Pitino hire is like bargaining with the devil, like Damn Yankees.  We’d need a very friendly escape clause.
 
Speaking of old, well-traveled, successful coaches, I had no idea LB was coaching at E. Carolina 

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Monte post=454055 said:
Speaking of old, well-traveled, successful coaches, I had no idea LB was coaching at E. Carolina 

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At Memphis
 
Paultzman post=454057 said:
Monte post=454055 said:
Speaking of old, well-traveled, successful coaches, I had no idea LB was coaching at E. Carolina 

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At Memphis
and he looks thrilled to be there.
 
Monte post=453977 said:
redmannorth post=453968 said:
Classof2010 post=453910 said:
I love the posters on here who crap on Pitino. Always talking about winning the right way. Give me a break. First off, college athletics always dirty. Atleast, now the players are getting compensated legally. Also, we have paid players in past just not good players. Abe Keira and Sid Wilson come to mind. The whole Pitt Scandal happened the same time as Baylor. Only 6 seasons later, Scott Drew had them in an Elite 8 and Norm had a circle jerk. I graduated over 10 years ago been a fan since 1997. I want to win because I’m tired of hearing about the 80s from these puritanical alums. Most of these folks are either collecting Social Security or close to it. Pitino is not perfect but, he is the guy to bring us back to those years in the 1980’s. I’m tired of being hit up for donations that contribute to mediocrity! Emailed Cragg and he got back to me. Nice guy, even with Anderson signing the extension definitely think he is not guaranteed to be here for long haul.
we all accept that college sports is a very dirty business and no one is saying we are the holiest progrAm that exists. However Coach Pitino’s transgressions we’re really bad, they really went far and above the norm and if he would move to coach in a major confèrence the school would be under a larger microscope. Are we ready to accept that , I don’t think so at the moment, but can’t say how things would be in a few years. I understand and share your frustrations which may be greater for those of us who have less time to see us dance and who lived through the great years and find it so much harder to accept the decline. You want to climb the hill, we can’t believe how far we have fallen as a program. Trust me the fall is much harder to accept. 
one thing that I have come to réalisé is if he ever would be hired at SJU I have no doubt the large majority of the fan base would rally behind him. 
Agree completely RMN. What many of our fan base fail to realize is that our program has fallen to somewhere between completely irrelevant, and a total laughingstock. Now, that can change pretty quickly, but I'm starting to wonder if I have enough years left on this earth to see that change happen. As for Pitino, if he does his penance at Iona, and if our program is as above reproach as some claim it is, there is no reason why he couldn't come here,  completely play by the rules and have us back on top in no time. In any event we have a coach for at least another few years, so we'll see what happens when our next coaching vacancy happens. 

 
Laughing stock, no.  Irrelevant, unfortunately yes.  We are an after thought nationally and at home.  
 
MainMan post=454047 said:
I take Pitino at his word when he says his next job is his dream job.

I thought that was the Knicks.  Then it was Kentucky.  Then the Celtics.  He couldn't sell Louisville as his dream job after being at Kentucky where in that state, Louisville will always be No. 2 to Kentucky and leaving that job for the Celtics.
 
OK I get it but the Celtics are an iconic franchise in the NBA and Dave Gavitt a close friend from his BE/Providence days offered him the job.  And a ton of money.  He does not have anything to apologize for with Kentucky.  He returned that program to glory (from the toilet) and actually at the time he left the UK program supplanted Duke as the best program in the country.  He left a Rolls Royce in Lexington.

Leaving the Celtics was not exactly a hard thing since he was being run out of town.  Not exactly him "voluntarily" leaving.

And obviously he did not leave Louisville voluntarily and he spent 16 years at Louisville, that is hardly Larry Brown-esque.  Also if he was not fired from Louisville (something he brought on himself no doubt) do you really think he would have left?  He loved it there, great program and horse racing.  Just because they are not number 1 in Kentucky does not change the fact they are a top 10 job and the UL basketball generates more revenue then any basketball program in the country.

SJU85 post=454069

I thought that was the Knicks.  Then it was Kentucky.  Then the Celtics.  He couldn't sell Louisville as his dream job after being at Kentucky where in that state, Louisville will always be No. 2 to Kentucky and leaving that job for the Celtics.
 
I've heard Pitino say he took the Celtics job because he thought he was getting Duncan and Van Horn.
 
Since Pitino has been mentioned on numerous threads by many posters, I felt that he deserved his own thread.

Let's get real, Rick Pitino will never be the Head Coach at St Johns. Now, I realize that some posters are so enamored of Pitino that they just can't stop singing his praises and would do anything to have him as their coach. The solution to this dilemma is very simple, become Iona fans.

Good night.
 
fordham96 post=454074 said:
OK I get it but the Celtics are an iconic franchise in the NBA and Dave Gavitt a close friend from his BE/Providence days offered him the job.  And a ton of money.  He does not have anything to apologize for with Kentucky.  He returned that program to glory (from the toilet) and actually at the time he left the UK program supplanted Duke as the best program in the country.  He left a Rolls Royce in Lexington.

Leaving the Celtics was not exactly a hard thing since he was being run out of town.  Not exactly him "voluntarily" leaving.

And obviously he did not leave Louisville voluntarily and he spent 16 years at Louisville, that is hardly Larry Brown-esque.  Also if he was not fired from Louisville (something he brought on himself no doubt) do you really think he would have left?  He loved it there, great program and horse racing.  Just because they are not number 1 in Kentucky does not change the fact they are a top 10 job and the UL basketball generates more revenue then any basketball program in the country.

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MainMan post=454047 said:

I thought that was the Knicks.  Then it was Kentucky.  Then the Celtics.  He couldn't sell Louisville as his dream job after being at Kentucky where in that state, Louisville will always be No. 2 to Kentucky and leaving that job for the Celtics.
 
Never said Louisville wasn't a top job but it is not Kentucky even if in terms of revenue they are No. 1 and Kentucky is No. 2.   I didn't call him Larry Brown either (I remember a Sports Illustrated article on Larry back in the mid to late 80's and the article's title was something like "Where Are You Going to Be Next Year Larry?"  Every time I hear his name, I think about that article.

The quote I responded to was "I take Pitino at his word when he says his next job is his dream job.", hence my point that those jobs I mentioned were supposed to be his dream jobs.  It has nothing to do with how or why he left. And yes if he hadn't screwed up off the court, he would still be a the Ville but he did.
 
SJU85 post=455087 said:
fordham96 post=454074 said:
OK I get it but the Celtics are an iconic franchise in the NBA and Dave Gavitt a close friend from his BE/Providence days offered him the job.  And a ton of money.  He does not have anything to apologize for with Kentucky.  He returned that program to glory (from the toilet) and actually at the time he left the UK program supplanted Duke as the best program in the country.  He left a Rolls Royce in Lexington.

Leaving the Celtics was not exactly a hard thing since he was being run out of town.  Not exactly him "voluntarily" leaving.

And obviously he did not leave Louisville voluntarily and he spent 16 years at Louisville, that is hardly Larry Brown-esque.  Also if he was not fired from Louisville (something he brought on himself no doubt) do you really think he would have left?  He loved it there, great program and horse racing.  Just because they are not number 1 in Kentucky does not change the fact they are a top 10 job and the UL basketball generates more revenue then any basketball program in the country.

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MainMan post=454047 said:

I thought that was the Knicks.  Then it was Kentucky.  Then the Celtics.  He couldn't sell Louisville as his dream job after being at Kentucky where in that state, Louisville will always be No. 2 to Kentucky and leaving that job for the Celtics.


 
Never said Louisville wasn't a top job but it is not Kentucky even if in terms of revenue they are No. 1 and Kentucky is No. 2.   I didn't call him Larry Brown either (I remember a Sports Illustrated article on Larry back in the mid to late 80's and the article's title was something like "Where Are You Going to Be Next Year Larry?"  Every time I hear his name, I think about that article.

The quote I responded to was "I take Pitino at his word when he says his next job is his dream job.", hence my point that those jobs I mentioned were supposed to be his dream jobs.  It has nothing to do with how or why he left. And yes if he hadn't screwed up off the court, he would still be a the Ville but he did.
Quite frankly, consider the following:

1) Say you are the parent of a 17 year old high school kid recruited by Pitino, and that he made his official visit.    How would you react if you discovered that Pitino and his staff hired prostitutes to help convince the kid to go to that school.    How outraged would you feel if the kid admitted being ashamed, but the peer pressure of the circumstances caused him to go along with it.
          a. prostitution is a criminal offense in virtually every state in the US.
          b. transporting a minor across state lines for participation in a sexual performance is a serious crime in all states
          c. even if age of consent does not apply in Kentucky (16) it would apply to your home state, some of which are 18.   The charge would be statutory rape
          d. imagine if the kid contracted HIV
          e. imagine if the hooker got pregnant and decided a 5 star recruit who gets paid has a decent amount of money.

2) The restaurant thing would be considered a criminal offense in every state.   There are a number of charges, most of them under the category of public lewd and lascivious behavior.

3) The paying of players resulted in the NCAA stripping Louisville of both the 2013 national championship and 2011 Final Four appearrance. among other sanctions.   ([URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/20/louisville-basketball-will-vacate-2013-national-championship-as-ncaa-upholds-ruling/[/URL]]Louisville basketball will vacate 2013 national title as NCAA upholds ruling - The Washington Post[/url])

Now add that all up, and : 1) SJU and just about every other major program will never hire Pitino
2) Pitino would know that no illegal activity would be tolerated at SJU and that he would be under the microscope and questioned all the time.   A leopard doesn't change its spots.    Where he is suits him fine,  far enough away from scrutiny.   

      
 
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Panther's comment is the absolute best. For fans of Pitino (and I don't count Beast among them), go root for Iona.

It's a college, right, not a major University in one of the biggest cities in the world. We don't need a 70 year old coach, who has 800 wins if you don't count the ones they vacated. I will take Looie any day with his 500+ wins, none vacated. And his Jersey hanging in the rafters of MSG.

Rick can play in his little sandbox, a one bid league.

Though in this day and age, with scruples being what they are, after Rick signs his lifetime contract with that little school in New Rochelle, I can see a school like UNLV taking a shot at returning him to big time basketball.

 
 
The people who have essentially elected themselves the moral compass of this board with regards to SJU fandom is a sight to behold for sure.
 
fordham96 post=455205 said:
The people who have essentially elected themselves the moral compass of this board with regards to SJU fandom is a sight to behold for sure.
I learned a very long time ago that those who claim to be the most moral and  ethical, are oftentimes the ones who have the most to hide. 
 
Monte post=455209 said:
fordham96 post=455205 said:
The people who have essentially elected themselves the moral compass of this board with regards to SJU fandom is a sight to behold for sure.
I learned a very long time ago that those who claim to be the most moral and  ethical, are oftentimes the ones who have the most to hide. 
Coincidentally just watched the Showtime special on "America's Dad" Bill Cosby.
 
Anderson. Pitino. I love them both. But the solution is that if we'd hire a real go-getter as an NIL coordinator, I could coach this team.

We are in the shadow of Manhattan. Surely our kids should be able to make more money than what podunk car dealerships are paying.
 
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