Mike Vacc on Chris

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318138]At least I'd know my limitations and that would be a huge step up for the program! I'd also be in gyms recruiting so much I'd start paying them rent. Could it really be any worse? Lol[/quote]

Yes.
 
Vacc and I were in physical rehab together in '17 for broken legs; he is a big SJU fan even though he went to St. Bonaventure. He'd also tell me "Good Luck Tonight", when we had a game that night. He is a good writer too. It must have pained him to write this article as I know he is a big Mullin fan. Let's see how we do on this tough road trip and pray for the best. This group has the talent. I hated the "L" yesterday; I love beating GTown and especially with Ewing as their head coach.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318154][quote="we are sju" post=318150][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318148][quote="we are sju" post=318143][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318138]At least I'd know my limitations and that would be a huge step up for the program! I'd also be in gyms recruiting so much I'd start paying them rent. Could it really be any worse? Lol[/quote]

Clearly you do not know your limitations as you got demoted for posting same things over and over like Jack Torrence in The Shining[/quote]

And you repeat the same drivel being on the "Mullin can do no wrong" team. No different.[/quote]

Nope never said that. Never been demoted or even warned I don't think. All I ever said was ridiculous that clowns were complaining in middle of 12-0 start. Now happy program is going bad again I guess. Guarantee you hate next coach by 2nd season! We all know you don't like Mullin. Howe about throwing out a realistic candidate that you might not complain about incessantly?[/quote]

We all know the board has a popularity contest complex and I'm not on the popular list. Has more to do with who is posting than what is posted at times. That's all I'll say about that. Congrats, you are more popular on a message board than me. Anyway, Mussleman would make 99% of people happy I would think.[/quote]

Ok ignoring your persecution complex, let's discuss Musselman. Of course board would be happy. But why would he leave a good thing to come here? If he leaves it will be for a big time job or back to pros.

Here is the thing you and particular and a lot on here simply do not get. Look at our last three hires. We are not a hot destination any longer and the school is not going to invest the $ in a coach that most on here would like.
Best bet is hiring a young mid major guy that can coach and will recruit to fit his system. Now name won't make many happy and people will bitch when we are not even getting the transfer kids and instead filling roster with three star four year kids. Noe eventually this kind of guy can have success here, but doubt people will give that guy time to get there.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318120]Can we finally admit that the 0-11 start last year wasn't just LoVett quitting? Of course it was part of it, but another big part was very poor coaching. You have brand new head coaches like Xavier, Butler, etc. doing just as well if not better than Mullin from the get go while Mullin is in year 4 with 4 and 5 star veteran players. That should be a huge indication. Also, we are losing players constantly with tons of transfers and a decommit. That's obviously another indictment on staff. Can't blame them really, if you had a son would you really trust this staff with developing them? People need to get over the nostalgia and see the objective truth. We will never advance under this staff to being a perennial contender. I was against Pitino earlier in the year, but you know what? At this point, bring him in...I don't care. Nothing has been proven against him right?[/quote]. Posting suggestions about Rick Pitino being a Coaching candidate are frankly, ridiculous . We have a 15-5 record. The BE Record is disappointing . No disputes there . Playing What If this happened or didn’t happen is all we can do as fans . But, what if , the Seton Hall Game wasn’t lost on a blown call? Or, we held on at Villanova ? The Season looks much different then . And , not the Sky is falling temperature evidenced now . Likewise, we could have very easily lost the first GTown game too. It was down to the wire there too. What were we , down 5 with under 2 minutes to go in regulation? Yesterday was no different . Despite playing poorly all game , we might have Won if Figgy’s 3 pointer drops or , the put backs were successful . There would have been no McClung uncontested dunk , if Simon or Keita has tied it up . So , yesterday’s loss really came down to 1 play . Of course , we played poorly most of the game but, rallied to have a chance to Win . It was a good look, good shot , didn’t go in ... If Players do not play well, is that the Coaches fault ? Simon and Clark played poorly , as bad a performance as they collectively have played in 2 years . 5-26 is bad , very bad . You can’t put that stat on Mullin . Just can’t . But, many here will as their frustration takes over . It’s funny , like this Year with Eli Manning and the Giants . Fact was the Giants had a poor team , a result of Jerry Reese poor drafts over too many years . Yet, with a Offensive Line that started the year with questionable talent , Eli took all the heat for the inevitable losses . If Tom Brady was QB for the Jints , the result would have been the same . But, I digress . A few bounces our way and our BE Record is much different . If Clark and Simon shoot better , we win yesterday !
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318154]

We all know the board has a popularity contest complex and I'm not on the popular list. Has more to do with who is posting than what is posted at times. That's all I'll say about that. Congrats, you are more popular on a message board than me. Anyway, Mussleman would make 99% of people happy I would think.[/quote]

No way he only recruits transfers!
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=318186][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318154]

We all know the board has a popularity contest complex and I'm not on the popular list. Has more to do with who is posting than what is posted at times. That's all I'll say about that. Congrats, you are more popular on a message board than me. Anyway, Mussleman would make 99% of people happy I would think.[/quote]

No way he only recruits transfers![/quote]

Does he win?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318216][quote="stjohnnie75" post=318186][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318154]

We all know the board has a popularity contest complex and I'm not on the popular list. Has more to do with who is posting than what is posted at times. That's all I'll say about that. Congrats, you are more popular on a message board than me. Anyway, Mussleman would make 99% of people happy I would think.[/quote]

No way he only recruits transfers![/quote]

Does he win?[/quote]

Yes, but that only works for Nevada. Won’t work here is a belief of many.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=318150][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318148][quote="we are sju" post=318143][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318138]At least I'd know my limitations and that would be a huge step up for the program! I'd also be in gyms recruiting so much I'd start paying them rent. Could it really be any worse? Lol[/quote]

Clearly you do not know your limitations as you got demoted for posting same things over and over like Jack Torrence in The Shining[/quote]

And you repeat the same drivel being on the "Mullin can do no wrong" team. No different.[/quote]

Nope never said that. Never been demoted or even warned I don't think. All I ever said was ridiculous that clowns were complaining in middle of 12-0 start. Now happy program is going bad again I guess. Guarantee you hate next coach by 2nd season! We all know you don't like Mullin. Howe about throwing out a realistic candidate that you might not complain about incessantly?[/quote]

A number of us long time posters voiced our concerns about how the team was playing in our OOC games. In spite of the fact that we were winning. We were concerned that the bad habits would carry over to the Big East games. They did. None of us “clowns” wanted to be right, but unfortunately we are. This may have been posted already somewhere else on the board, but just in case... [attachment=657]B50C963A-C334-4B5D-A2EC-B19F41C12364.jpeg[/attachment]
 
[quote="Monte" post=318235][quote="we are sju" post=318150][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318148][quote="we are sju" post=318143][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318138]At least I'd know my limitations and that would be a huge step up for the program! I'd also be in gyms recruiting so much I'd start paying them rent. Could it really be any worse? Lol[/quote]

Clearly you do not know your limitations as you got demoted for posting same things over and over like Jack Torrence in The Shining[/quote]

And you repeat the same drivel being on the "Mullin can do no wrong" team. No different.[/quote]

Nope never said that. Never been demoted or even warned I don't think. All I ever said was ridiculous that clowns were complaining in middle of 12-0 start. Now happy program is going bad again I guess. Guarantee you hate next coach by 2nd season! We all know you don't like Mullin. Howe about throwing out a realistic candidate that you might not complain about incessantly?[/quote]

A number of us long time posters voiced our concerns about how the team was playing in our OOC games. In spite of the fact that we were winning. We were concerned that the bad habits would carry over to the Big East games. They did. None of us “clowns” wanted to be right, but unfortunately we are. This may have been posted already somewhere else on the board, but just in case... [attachment=657]B50C963A-C334-4B5D-A2EC-B19F41C12364.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

Zach keeps saying this to push his original narrative. If that is the issue why is Seton Hall falling apart? The narrative was that they were battle tested from their OOC schedule.
 
The only thing the OOC schedule did was save us from being exposed earlier rather than later. Although the struggles against some weak teams kind of gave us hints, for those that take hints. If you have a team that consistently doesn't play hard, then you either have the wrong type players, or the wrong staff. Or the reason for under performance has nothing to do with a lack of effort, but with the team failing to perform to their abilities, or being asked to do things beyond their skill set, and, as important, their size.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=318245]The only thing the OOC schedule did was save us from being exposed earlier rather than later. Although the struggles against some weak teams kind of gave us hints, for those that take hints. If you have a team that consistently doesn't play hard, then you either have the wrong type players, or the wrong staff. Or the reason for under performance has nothing to do with a lack of effort, but with the team failing to perform to their abilities, or being asked to do things beyond their skill set, and, as important, their size.[/quote]

Maybe or maybe they just are not very good.

I am having serious doubts about how truly "good" this team is. We all knew it wasn't deep, now we may come to the conclusion that they simply don't have as many good players as we may have once thought even without the depth.
 
The key difference in the seton hall vs sju comparisons is this is our “golden goose” team and seton halls golden goose team just left with all those talented seniors. And we are essentially in the same place, right on the bubble. So... yea I don’t blame Zach for not being negative towards seton hall
 
Enough about the OOC. We went 12-0 with a top 25 NET. That is not our problem. We were favored by FEWER points or underdogs against VCU, Georgia Tech, Rutgers (away), and ALL 7 previous BE games. That means this Georgetown game was the 11th most challenging game to date. We beat this team in DC just a couple weeks ago. Zach's narrative is stubborn, outdated, and fails to see the bigger picture.

Want to know a bigger problem? Chris in the huddles yesterday saying absolutely nothing and looking defeated before the game was over. Negative energy that must translate to the team.

This is what happens when you're arrogant/stubborn and don't put in the effort it takes to win at an ultra competitive D1 level. He's had 4 years to improve and hasn't. People generally don't change and he's one of those people.
 
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[quote="Coaster" post=317880][quote="SJU61982" post=317867][quote="we are sju" post=317861]So next coach should be?
Let's see hot mid major coach? Last time we did that that worked out for a minute or two, until it didn't and now that guy is the most hated ex coach we have had.

Maybe hot local coach at lower level? Hofstra maybe? Well that also worked out for less than a minute last time we tried that.




Hey how about bring a guy out from TV? Greenberg? Well there was some reservations about him last time his name came up and last guy we hired from TV wasn't universally loved either.

How about former player? Mark Jackson maybe? Nah people had reservations about him and the best player ever was getting bitched about 2 years in, so that won't work.

Bob Hurley sr? Mike Rice? Believe it or not those to names might make most on here happy. But that says more about people on here than it does anything else.[/quote]

Every time we've changed coaches, I have always pushed for the hot mid major candidate. I believe that is the route that offers us the best chance of success. Unfortunately, there is no "can't miss" candidate out there for us.

Any new hire will come with question marks, IMO.[/quote]

Looking for an experienced and successful coach? With NBA ties? And a way to retain Matt A? Look no further than Fred Hoiberg (sp?)[/quote]



I would prefer Mark Jackson and have always wanted him as our coach. Let's face it he has coaching experience even though you may question it being in the NBA. Mark is an excellent analyst. Always felt his college and pro experience as a point guard and leadership on the court could only help him.
 
I don't know if any change will be made, or whether one should be made. I guess I would prefer tinkering with the staff instead to hhave it aligned properly with the standard goals of recruiting and game preparation. If a change is made, I would like to see a head coach that has built programs before. I know Jarvis fit that description, and maybe Fran too. But going with ACs like Norm and Mahoney didn't work out so well.
 
[quote="Adam" post=318248]Enough about the OOC. We went 12-0 with a top 25 NET. That is not our problem. We were favored by FEWER points or underdogs against VCU, Georgia Tech, Rutgers (away), and ALL 7 previous BE games. That means this Georgetown game was the 11th most challenging game to date. We beat this team in DC just a couple weeks ago. Zach's narrative is stubborn, outdated, and fails to see the bigger picture.

Want to know a bigger problem? Chris in the huddles yesterday saying absolutely nothing and looking defeated before the game was over. Negative energy that must translate to the team.

This is what happens when you're arrogant/stubborn and don't put in the effort it takes to win at an ultra competitive D1 level. He's had 4 years to improve and hasn't. People generally don't change and he's one of those people.[/quote]

Well put Adam, it certainly does feel that way.
 
All the posters on Redmen.com can voice their negative opinions about Mullin and it will have very little effect but Mike Vacarro's article in today's Post would certainly get my attention if I were Chris. Vacarro's article basically says it is year four and Chris is not doing his job.
You will now see other reporters pick up on this opinion now that a respected journalist has voiced it and the idea of replacing Chris that to me seemed very unlikely at the beginning of the year will get some legs.
Chris should immediately increase his recruiting efforts.
 
I know Louie supports his guys, but I wonder deep in his heart of hearts what he thinks about the situation.
 
[quote="Enright" post=318259]All the posters on Redmen.com can voice their negative opinions about Mullin and it will have very little effect but Mike Vacarro's article in today's Post would certainly get my attention if I were Chris. Vacarro's article basically says it is year four and Chris is not doing his job.
You will now see other reporters pick up on this opinion now that a respected journalist has voiced it and the idea of replacing Chris that to me seemed very unlikely at the beginning of the year will get some legs.
Chris should immediately increase his recruiting efforts.[/quote]


TO me, what will be more important is how the team comes out to start the game. Fired up - good; lackadaisical and disorganized - very, very bad.
 
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