Mike Vacc on Chris

[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=317952]Love Vacc because he always calls St John’s like he sees it. He seems to be the only local scribe who really wants to see a winner at U&U. My only question is does St John’s put the FUN in dysfunctional or do they put the FUNC in dysfunctional? Different roads, same destination I guess. Oh well, at least things will get better in 3 weeks when Port St Lucie comes to life...[/quote]
Uh oh, breaking news...Thor and deGrom just got into a fight. Thor torn rotator cuff, deGrom torn labrum. ;) :) I know don't even kid.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=317955][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=317952]Love Vacc because he always calls St John’s like he sees it. He seems to be the only local scribe who really wants to see a winner at U&U. My only question is does St John’s put the FUN in dysfunctional or do they put the FUNC in dysfunctional? Different roads, same destination I guess. Oh well, at least things will get better in 3 weeks when Port St Lucie comes to life...[/quote]
Uh oh, breaking news...Thor and deGrom just got into a fight. Thor torn rotator cuff, deGrom torn labrum. ;) :) I know don't even kid.[/quote]
Sadly, this is believable. On Opening Day last year, I freaked out a friend by telling them that Stephen Matz blew out his elbow when he waved to fans during the player introductions.

Just to clarify, you are kidding, right? Because I don’t really believe you. Not really, not deep down. You made this up, right?
 
[quote="bamafan" post=317950][quote="we are sju" post=317934][quote="bamafan" post=317926]How about Walter Berry so in 2 years you can bitch about fans wanting their 8th HC since Lou?[/quote]

How about the coach you wanted? Oh wait a minute you just hate whatever coach we happen to have.
I still haven't heard a decent candidate. Easy to say coach sucks.[/quote]
Name me one I shouldn't have (did like FF but even if we didn't fire him not so sure would have worked out for reasons other than coaching and I haven't called for CM to be fired). At least I am smart enough not to advocate for Walter as you have on numerous occasions. That would be far more nuttier than any of the previous 6.[/quote]

Some on here never cease to amaze me. Berry thing was a joke about why I was backing Mullin. I agree other than really nostalgia there was not a lot to go on with Mullin. But since he was Chris Mullin which to me would have been the same had they hired Berry who really was just as qualified. I would back them for as long as I could. Which for Mullin is about at an end.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=317835]That video clip of St. Jean / Mullin in the huddle may go down as representative of the Mullin era like we have memories of the root causes and failures of all the other coaches.

Over 10K views already.[/quote]

I mentioned this early on in the game thread. Surprised no one else jumped on it. Absolutely horrible optic. Mullin seems like he checked out.
 
Going through coaches like Liz Taylor went through husbands isn't a strategy. We can't keep going through this every 5 years. It's the same old story.

Mullin is flawed, but a good recruiter and loves the school and the city.
 
[quote="Brian W." post=317997]Going through coaches like Liz Taylor went through husbands isn't a strategy. We can't keep going through this every 5 years. It's the same old story.
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After awhile you need to stop blaming the ex-husbands, look in the mirror and except you have flaws also.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=317985][quote="RedStormNC" post=317835]That video clip of St. Jean / Mullin in the huddle may go down as representative of the Mullin era like we have memories of the root causes and failures of all the other coaches.

Over 10K views already.[/quote]

I mentioned this early on in the game thread. Surprised no one else jumped on it. Absolutely horrible optic. Mullin seems like he checked out.[/quote]

The whole point of those look ins is to hear the head coach. I was pretty shocked.
 
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[quote="Brian W." post=317997]Going through coaches like Liz Taylor went through husbands isn't a strategy. We can't keep going through this every 5 years. It's the same old story.

Mullin is flawed, but a good recruiter and loves the school and the city.[/quote]

I personally don't think he is in danger of being fired but the people who make this argument "that we can't keep making changes" tend to be people who like the current coach but no longer see a real argument to defend them. In other words why wasn't this an argument to keep Norm Roberts?

The other point I will make is stop with the "good recruiter" nonsense. Recruiting has been mediocre at best. And this current roster is clear evidence of that.

Every team has a key freshman or multiple freshmen starting or playing a key role. Think about it, SJU has none. Greg Williams, Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington. Put aside the fact that they have essentially done nothing all year, tell me what current or previous SJU coach could not have recruited the equivalent of those 3?
 
[quote="Brian W." post=317997]Going through coaches like Liz Taylor went through husbands isn't a strategy. We can't keep going through this every 5 years. It's the same old story.

Mullin is flawed, but a good recruiter and loves the school and the city.[/quote]

Please explain how Mullin is a good recruiter. Everything I have seen shows he is a horrible recruiter.
 
Chris Mullin is 15-5 at his alma mater with half the BE season left to play. I'd love to sit here like the rest of you and post various arguments about why yet another administrative change would make SJU great again. The fact is he is our last, best hope of a future and he's being callously written off. When he was hired it was understood that this was the last chance at relevance. But sure, let's go get another coach. Let's add to the following list of coaching talent on the sidelines since Carnesseca:

Steve Lavin, Gene Keady, Mitch Richmond, Mike Dunlap, Roberts, Fraschilla, Jarvis. More than enough experience and talent there, but it never materialized. It's obvious that there must be SOMETHING ELSE that could be the problem.
 
[quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=318022][quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.[/quote]

I am not talking about that. But they never wanted the "season to play out in year 3 under Norm." Especially after the MSG loss to Duke. Boy if I had access to the BEB and Redmen after that loss. And that conference was so much better than this one.

But I'm tired right now so I don't have time to argue with people who clearly get amnesia when it doesn't suit their purposes.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=317828][quote="Monte" post=317817][quote="Paultzman" post=317810]There comes a point when wanting something isn’t enough, no matter how fervently you hope for it. There wasn’t a soul in New York with any kind of feel for the city’s basketball history who didn’t want Chris Mullin to find magic at St. John’s. It had everything you wanted for a fairy tale: an old hero, an old kingdom, a waiting throne.
All that was missing was the happy ending.

Four years later, we are still waiting for the happy ending.

Four years later, in what was supposed to be the culmination of this beautiful basketball ballad, the Johnnies are trapped in a mudslide and can’t figure a way out of it. This was supposed to be a nonstop flight toward a splendid destiny.

Instead, it is last place in the Big East.

This time it was an 89-78 loss at the Garden to Georgetown in front of 17,801 fans who were mostly clad in red and mostly departed muttering to themselves. The Johnnies played as they have too often lately: There were a couple of four-and-five minutes stretches where they were engaged, interested and prosperous.

And vast swatches where they seemed utterly disinterested in any of the fundamental things that define good basketball teams: defense, tone, pace, togetherness.

“We kind of went through the motions in the first half,” sophomore guard Mustapha Heron admitted, and while you can give Heron extra credit for honesty, you do have to ask: Why do they do this to themselves game after game? Against the tomato cans they flattened in November and December, all you need is 10 good minutes.

the Big East, you need 40.

“We have to regroup,” said Shamorie Ponds, who was his usually heroic self with 21 points even as he shot only 1-for-5 from 3. “As a team we aren’t as together as we were in the beginning. We have to get back to our winning ways.”

Can they? There remains a surfeit of talent in the rotation, and while that makes the home losses these past two weeks to DePaul and Georgetown hard to fathom, it also suggests they could figure it out again. This is the same team that humbled Marquette, the same team that led Villanova after 35 minutes on the road. That team is hidden in there somewhere.

It is on Mullin to lure it out of its cocoon, and soon. Can he do that? He has lived the first 3 ½ years of his coaching career on scholarship, receiving far more benefit of the doubt than any other man in this job ever would. That is inarguable. Most people believed Mullin would get it done here because they wanted to believe he would get it done here, because that’s the only good way for this story to end.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-chris-mullin-whispers-look-justified-as-st-johns-collapses/[/quote]


I really really hate to say “I f’in told you so!(not to you Paultz)”. But this team played undisciplined and lazy ball for a large chunks of their OOC games. And I complained about it back then. And then it carried over to the Big East games. And look where we are now. [/quote]

I also complained about our lackluster play in OOC games, but received backlash from a handful of posters. I could only base my opinon on what I was witnessing. I figured I was witnessing a carry over from the last season or two.

I was hopeful we could transform, minimize or make corrections once the conference season started. In the back of my mind, I knew better. I was just attempting to be optimistic about it. Unfortunately, my thoughts are playing out.[/quote]

You and I have been on the same page about this from early in the season. Both of us are long time fans and both of us want CM and the team to succeed in the worst way. So there's no axe to grind with us . But neither of us were willing to overlook the lazy play and poor habits we were exhibiting simply because we were beating up on mostly far inferior competition. I'm still hoping that somehow Chris can right this ship, but I'm losing faith very quickly these days.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=318023][quote="we are sju" post=318022][quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.[/quote]

I am not talking about that. But they never wanted the "season to play out in year 3 under Norm." Especially after the MSG loss to Duke. Boy if I had access to the BEB and Redmen after that loss. And that conference was so much better than this one.

But I'm tired right now so I don't have time to argue with people who clearly get amnesia when it doesn't suit their purposes.[/quote]

Board was split 50 / 50 by year three.
Personally I have not hid fact that based on Mullin the player here he should get more of benefit of doubt than someone that wasn't Babe Ruth of ST John's. Also even though I wasn't a fan I rooted for Lavin to succeed and thought he did enough to be extended. Liked Fran and Jarvis was clearly 2nd best coach we have ever had. Only disliked one coach.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=318022][quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.[/quote]

Best player in the history of the program?
 
[quote="Brian W." post=318015]Chris Mullin is 15-5 at his alma mater with half the BE season left to play. I'd love to sit here like the rest of you and post various arguments about why yet another administrative change would make SJU great again. The fact is he is our last, best hope of a future and he's being callously written off. When he was hired it was understood that this was the last chance at relevance. But sure, let's go get another coach. Let's add to the following list of coaching talent on the sidelines since Carnesseca:

Steve Lavin, Gene Keady, Mitch Richmond, Mike Dunlap, Roberts, Fraschilla, Jarvis. More than enough experience and talent there, but it never materialized. It's obvious that there must be SOMETHING ELSE that could be the problem.[/quote]

Being 32 games under .500 in conference play will absolutely write you off and rightfully so. I repeat that fact just to show the magnitude of his failure. This is not a mediocre team around .500 under him...this might even be record-breaking bad.
 
[quote="Monte" post=318031][quote="we are sju" post=318022][quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.[/quote]

Best player in the history of the program?[/quote]

The coach, yes
 
[quote="we are sju" post=318030][quote="fordham96" post=318023][quote="we are sju" post=318022][quote="fordham96" post=318017][quote="Adam" post=317850]We've sucked for 4 years now.

Anyone besides Mullin and 100% of this board would've completely given up on the staff last season.

Assuming we don't make the Tournament, it's time to move on. Try to retain Matt and the players.[/quote]

Again hard to argue with this sentiment. SJU has spent a total of 12 days OVER .500 in league play since he has been the coach. 1-0 then 2-0 then 2-1 his 2nd year and 2-1 this year. That's it. That means he has NEVER been over .500 in league play past the 2nd week in January. Never. And that includes this year, If this was anyone else posters would be ripping that coach to shreds. Those posters wouldn't be looking at this roster and saying, "Isn't transfer U just a great strategy?" They would be looking at it saying, "What a mess? How did they think they could win with no size, no post presence and no capable freshmen ready to contribute."

The only explanation I can think of is that again they have committed themselves to a narrative and they refuse to be honest.[/quote]

Or they want to let the season play out root for the team they are supposedly a fan of and the best player in the history of the program to make an NCAA instead of bitching even when we were 12-0. Let the year play out if we don't make tourney the experiment didn't work and probably will hire another soon to be ex coach.[/quote]

I am not talking about that. But they never wanted the "season to play out in year 3 under Norm." Especially after the MSG loss to Duke. Boy if I had access to the BEB and Redmen after that loss. And that conference was so much better than this one.

But I'm tired right now so I don't have time to argue with people who clearly get amnesia when it doesn't suit their purposes.[/quote]

Board was split 50 / 50 by year three.
Personally I have not hid fact that based on Mullin the player here he should get more of benefit of doubt than someone that wasn't Babe Ruth of ST John's. Also even though I wasn't a fan I rooted for Lavin to succeed and thought he did enough to be extended. Liked Fran and Jarvis was clearly 2nd best coach we have ever had. Only disliked one coach.[/quote]
Poor analogy. Babe Ruth begged the Yankees to let him manage them and they wouldn't give him a sniff. ;) :p :)
 
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