Lavin's Future in Doubt at SJU

[fun]

Was Bobby Hurley in the Taurassi tape? Has to be a reason Marillac pimping him like he is Tom Izzo or something.

Leave Marillac alone. The way he's rebounded from his failed romance with Lavin is amazing and gives hope to romantics everywhere.

 

[MJDinkins]

But seriously I'm still sitting here thinking besides Archie Miller what is a realistic option that is an obvious improvement? The guys I'd really want won't come and the guys that would come I really don't want.

That is pretty much how I view things, as well.

 

[paultzman]

He was a star at St. John's, had a distinguished NBA career, and succeeded, albeit briefly as an NBA coach. He;'s the guy, if you are moving in another direction.

We simply cannot afford to screw this up if Lavin is in fact let go.
Mark Jackson has never coached in college. He has never recruited a day in his life. The team he coached has excelled since he left and they are doing better without him than they ever did with him. He's also pretty militant and was let go because primarily because he was difficult to work with. Not to mention, he's crazy. Hiring Mark Jackson could be a disaster and that is not something we can risk.

Hiring Archie Miller or Bobby Hurley (if they would even consider us) would never be a disaster. Worst case, it simply wouldn't work as well as we would have liked, but we would have landed some quality players and got some good pub.

The earth may blow up, but I agree with Marillac completely.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

300-400 k range.
very overpaid for the product we've received.....

 

[beast of the east]

How much say does a big donor like Repole have? Does the school go to him and asks him if he will kick in a certain donation if they have to pay a certain coach X amount?

Repole is far from being our biggest donor. There literally are some guys who have given ten X as much in a single check. Not to diminish Repole's generosity, which is substantial, but he isn't our prime benefactor.

Is he the prime Athletic Department benefactor, though?

No. At present his contributions are earmarked elsewehre in the university not the AD.

 

[Jack Williams]

I still think Lavin will be extended, That is in fact the solution that will create the most stability to the program. I think this thread is cleaver though. First a poll to show the displeasure with Lavin and when that blew up, we start a tread with negative innuendo.

This thread started because of an article from zags that made it sound like Lavin might be on the way out. This wasn't started by a Lavin hater trying to start another fight.

But is basically turning into that again, isn't it?

Kind of but don't blame the OP for just trying to share an important article.

 

[redfazed]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

I don't know about Keady making $350k.
St John's has to disclose their highest paid employees in tax filings, which are readily available online. Lavin's total comp in 2012 was $1.87 million. See attached. I think that's the most recent available.

 

[beast of the east]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

300-400 k range.
very overpaid for the product we've received.....

While I think the University should be looking at ROI from investment in bball, it's really not my concern or yours. If they invest $5 million per year and we win 25 games per year, we wou;dn't care a bit. On the other hand if they spend $1 million per to be an NIT team, we'd all have a big problem with that.

 

[L J S A]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

I don't know about Keady making $350k.
St John's has to disclose their highest paid employees in tax filings, which are readily available online. Lavin's total comp in 2012 was $1.87 million. See attached. I think that's the most recent available.

I always assumed it was something like $85,000 to $100,000. I love the guy, but paying him $350,000 to keep Lavin company on the bench is sheer lunacy.

 

[beast of the east]

But, if he is extended, you posters better shut up when things get dramatically worse under his tour.

Your post, as usual, is divisive. I do not believe that except for a few ardent Lavin supporters that people who would favor renewal don't have their eyes open. I'm ambivalent, but supported him being successful this season. You on the other hand complained about him during the season, which I find distasteful in a so called fan, but completely within your right.

Do yourself a favor. Write the university a check that would help pay for the next coach. Until then, you're just rambling.

Thank you for the advice, Beast. NOT THAT i need to defend myself to you but, because you were so hostile,which I'm surprised at, from you. here goes.

I think your frustration at such lousy BB over 15 years has finally gotten to you, as it has many of us who have seen what can be accomplished it the right pieces are in place.

Second, your right, I have been a critic of our BB program for a long time. I ll tell you when exactly.

When I saw a Norm Roberts coached team lose at CA to a Quincy Douby led Rutgers team with a BE tournament berth on the line and, not even compete, I began to look at things differently.

Everyone agrees, Norm was/is a decent man and glad he has a extended career with Kansas.

I was ecstatic when Lavin was hired, even when the UCLA undercurrents began to surface as to whether he really could COACH, AT ALL.

i , like you and others, revealed in the complete turnabout with the Hardy, Horne, Kennedy, Burrell, Brownlee,Evans,Stith, etc team.. They had a wonderful year, with some mighty impressive wins over Ranked teams in the Garden and, elsewhere.

That team got a AT Large BID to the NCAA and drew GONZAGA. What bothered me about that game, and became a blueprint of Lavin's Coaching was, not the loss but, Lavin's complete lack of any in game adjustments . He had nothing on the sidelines. NOTHING! Mark Few showed me how ineffective Lavin was during a game on the line contest.. Few is a great Coach but, it was more that Lavin could do nothing to turn the tide and maybe avoid a blowout.

And, Beast, since that time,even you have to admit, things have not changed very much. A continuance of blow outs in big games. Suspensions, soap opera theatrics, doping suspensions, horrific losses to inferior opponents, Robert Morris.

So, yes, I am entitled to my opinions just as much as you are. Like you, I am a ALUM of the School and very proud of it. And, you have no idea what sort of checks I write to the University or, what my donations have been over the years..And, it is none of your business. just as your are none of mine.

Divisive? who are you to judge? There are many here and the other site, that share my conviction that a better result is possible with the BB PROGRAM..

i am certainly aware too, many , even you, of late,disagree with my posts but, don't lecture me on my posts . Many of the Lavin supporters were Norm supporters, right up to the point he was fired or, let go.

And, yes, i too, am weary of those who espouse the status quo, surely as much as they disapprove of mine. So, rather than throw harpoons at people and, I never react, unless there is a personal insult hurled and, even then, i mostly restrain from a equally offensive remark but, yours was in that category. A cheap shot. Your better than that.

Let us both hope, and I know you are are a ardent supporter, that at some point our BB program can , once again,be something we can rejoice in and feel good about. If you like what you have now, so be it. I don't.

Didn't mean to attack you. Bad day at the office. We both play for the same team, at least in our minds we do.

 

[IDRAFT]

Archie Miller would be great, but I consider his interest at zero percent. Would be fine to be proven wrong. Hurley, Mas, are roll the dice guys and both are gone to a Power 5 school the second there is any success. Which, I guess, might be SJUs fate no matter what in the new world order.

If Lavin goes give me Mark Jackson, with Ron Artest, and Jayson Williams as his assistants. The team will be Roberts-like but with our "all crazy" coaching staff it won't be boring in Queens.

 

[westchesterjoe]

But, if he is extended, you posters better shut up when things get dramatically worse under his tour.

Your post, as usual, is divisive. I do not believe that except for a few ardent Lavin supporters that people who would favor renewal don't have their eyes open. I'm ambivalent, but supported him being successful this season. You on the other hand complained about him during the season, which I find distasteful in a so called fan, but completely within your right.

Do yourself a favor. Write the university a check that would help pay for the next coach. Until then, you're just rambling.

Thank you for the advice, Beast. NOT THAT i need to defend myself to you but, because you were so hostile,which I'm surprised at, from you. here goes.

I think your frustration at such lousy BB over 15 years has finally gotten to you, as it has many of us who have seen what can be accomplished it the right pieces are in place.

Second, your right, I have been a critic of our BB program for a long time. I ll tell you when exactly.

When I saw a Norm Roberts coached team lose at CA to a Quincy Douby led Rutgers team with a BE tournament berth on the line and, not even compete, I began to look at things differently.

Everyone agrees, Norm was/is a decent man and glad he has a extended career with Kansas.

I was ecstatic when Lavin was hired, even when the UCLA undercurrents began to surface as to whether he really could COACH, AT ALL.

i , like you and others, revealed in the complete turnabout with the Hardy, Horne, Kennedy, Burrell, Brownlee,Evans,Stith, etc team.. They had a wonderful year, with some mighty impressive wins over Ranked teams in the Garden and, elsewhere.

That team got a AT Large BID to the NCAA and drew GONZAGA. What bothered me about that game, and became a blueprint of Lavin's Coaching was, not the loss but, Lavin's complete lack of any in game adjustments . He had nothing on the sidelines. NOTHING! Mark Few showed me how ineffective Lavin was during a game on the line contest.. Few is a great Coach but, it was more that Lavin could do nothing to turn the tide and maybe avoid a blowout.

And, Beast, since that time,even you have to admit, things have not changed very much. A continuance of blow outs in big games. Suspensions, soap opera theatrics, doping suspensions, horrific losses to inferior opponents, Robert Morris.

So, yes, I am entitled to my opinions just as much as you are. Like you, I am a ALUM of the School and very proud of it. And, you have no idea what sort of checks I write to the University or, what my donations have been over the years..And, it is none of your business. just as your are none of mine.

Divisive? who are you to judge? There are many here and the other site, that share my conviction that a better result is possible with the BB PROGRAM..

i am certainly aware too, many , even you, of late,disagree with my posts but, don't lecture me on my posts . Many of the Lavin supporters were Norm supporters, right up to the point he was fired or, let go.

And, yes, i too, am weary of those who espouse the status quo, surely as much as they disapprove of mine. So, rather than throw harpoons at people and, I never react, unless there is a personal insult hurled and, even then, i mostly restrain from a equally offensive remark but, yours was in that category. A cheap shot. Your better than that.

Let us both hope, and I know you are are a ardent supporter, that at some point our BB program can , once again,be something we can rejoice in and feel good about. If you like what you have now, so be it. I don't.

Didn't mean to attack you. Bad day at the office. We both play for the same team, at least in our minds we do.

It's done with.. You don't need to say anything.We are 1 St John's family.. And, you are a great, great fan...No one ever questions that..Not for a minute..

 

[we are sju]

Leave Marillac alone. The way he's rebounded from his failed romance with Lavin is amazing and gives hope to romantics everywhere. -Fun

Yeah, I wonder if Hurley will mind that Marrilac still has Lavin's scent on him? Too quick if you ask me. Marillac should play the field a little. Maybe take a shot at Shaka Smart or someone like that. You know really try for the upgrade before he settles into Hurley.

 

[mattc]

Shaka Smart is not coming here. Archie or Bobby are the two I want.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

300-400 k range.
very overpaid for the product we've received.....

While I think the University should be looking at ROI from investment in bball, it's really not my concern or yours. If they invest $5 million per year and we win 25 games per year, we wou;dn't care a bit. On the other hand if they spend $1 million per to be an NIT team, we'd all have a big problem with that.

please just speak for yourself and dont tell me what my concern is.

thanks

 

[Marillac]

you're ok with the probability of losing Sampson? Writing off next year would be an understatement. If you let go of Lavin, Jordan and Obekpa- from mixed/doubtful to definitely gone.U lose Samson, a 4 star recruit. An next year is not just a throwaway, its a potential winless year in the Big East. Is everyone here prepared for that set of dominos?

Not saying it's an easy decision, but this scenario has to be contemplated.

Why would be probably lose Sampson? He committed here because of the PT and opportunity available for him to shine. Based on his quotes, I don't think we'd lose him. Also, if we added a former PG like Archie Miller or Bobby Hurley, he would be silly to walk away from the chance to learn from them.

Can you imagine the excitement hiring Hurley would generate? He'd fill out an insane class in a few weeks.

 

[westchesterjoe]

I am putting the balls away, as Louie liked to say, at the end of the season.. I have really gotten excited about the NY Rangers. Hasn't everyone?

I hope our SCHOOL makes a good decision. Regardless of which way it goes..

At the bottom line, we all want the same thing. A basketball team that gives the University a competitive effort, every year and competes for a BE championship, if not more.

None of us should be satisfied with mediocre results on the BB Court or, in Academic circles.

 

[weathermannyc]

While I think the University should be looking at ROI from investment in bball, it's really not my concern or yours. If they invest $5 million per year and we win 25 games per year, we wou;dn't care a bit. On the other hand if they spend $1 million per to be an NIT team, we'd all have a big problem with that.

I just hope that SJU just wants a better return on investment and doesn't think that this is too much to invest in basketball. It's the price of doing business these days and you (usually) get what you pay for.

 

[OLV72]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

Nice spin. Sounds like a cost cutting move at a time when basketball schools like Alabama are starting at $3MM per year.

This search might be worse than the prior two. And we all know that mas is a non starter. We just got beat up
over a kid with a fraudulent transcript. Now we have booster pushing this guy?

 

[SJU85]

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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.

Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated

And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary

Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?

300-400 k range.
very overpaid for the product we've received.....

Thanks, I figured at least some might be making in that range.