Replace "Archie Miller or Bobby Hurley" with "Steve Lavin", and its what we have now. Not a disaster. Didn't work as well as we all expected. Landed some quality players and got some good pub.
Lavin's Future in Doubt at SJU
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Replace "Archie Miller or Bobby Hurley" with "Steve Lavin", and its what we have now. Not a disaster. Didn't work as well as we all expected. Landed some quality players and got some good pub.
I still think Lavin will be extended, That is in fact the solution that will create the most stability to the program. I think this thread is cleaver though. First a poll to show the displeasure with Lavin and when that blew up, we start a tread with negative innuendo.
redstorm89
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I never understood the hiring of a school legend. Just look next door to rutgers and see what a success Eddie jordan is doing over there.
stjohnschris
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I don't see any of this happening, except I'd be fine if I never see CO in an SJU uniform again.
we are sju
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Was Bobby Hurley in the Taurassi tape? Has to be a reason Marillac pimping him like he is Tom Izzo or something.
Avoiding the non sensical, which is most of this post, just wanted to point out that 1) Lavin won a conference title and went to the elite 8 with Harricks players his first year 2) St Johns isn't UCLA, if Lavin averaged 23 wins and went the Sweet 16 every year but 1 of his first six they'd be building statues in Jamaica, unfortunately he didn't 3) Bobby Hurley has coached all of 2 years in college, if you think he's a high major solution you're the one with tempered expectations, though he does have some name recognition.
To newsie's post about Z being the ST J legend, he has 0 years coaching experience before taking the seat behind Keady, same for Felipe. Possible actual past player as coach would be Rob Werdann, though he has low name recognition he did have parts of a few years in the NBA and a few more on NBA benches as an assistant. But how about a real out of left field ST John's legend - METTA WORLD PEACE FOR COACH!
But seriously I'm still sitting here thinking besides Archie Miller what is a realistic option that is an obvious improvement? The guys I'd really want won't come and the guys that would come I really don't want.
This thread started because of an article from zags that made it sound like Lavin might be on the way out. This wasn't started by a Lavin hater trying to start another fight.
southernjohnny2
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this will set us back a few years unless a homerun is hired...
Ray Morgan
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Or Houston and Clyde Drexler.
Avon Barksdale
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Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.
When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.
I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated
Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.
When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.
I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated
Avon Barksdale
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And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary
westchesterjoe
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Thank you for the advice, Beast. NOT THAT i need to defend myself to you but, because you were so hostile,which I'm surprised at, from you. here goes.
I think your frustration at such lousy BB over 15 years has finally gotten to you, as it has many of us who have seen what can be accomplished it the right pieces are in place.
Second, your right, I have been a critic of our BB program for a long time. I ll tell you when exactly.
When I saw a Norm Roberts coached team lose at CA to a Quincy Douby led Rutgers team with a BE tournament berth on the line and, not even compete, I began to look at things differently.
Everyone agrees, Norm was/is a decent man and glad he has a extended career with Kansas.
I was ecstatic when Lavin was hired, even when the UCLA undercurrents began to surface as to whether he really could COACH, AT ALL.
i , like you and others, revealed in the complete turnabout with the Hardy, Horne, Kennedy, Burrell, Brownlee,Evans,Stith, etc team.. They had a wonderful year, with some mighty impressive wins over Ranked teams in the Garden and, elsewhere.
That team got a AT Large BID to the NCAA and drew GONZAGA. What bothered me about that game, and became a blueprint of Lavin's Coaching was, not the loss but, Lavin's complete lack of any in game adjustments . He had nothing on the sidelines. NOTHING! Mark Few showed me how ineffective Lavin was during a game on the line contest.. Few is a great Coach but, it was more that Lavin could do nothing to turn the tide and maybe avoid a blowout.
And, Beast, since that time,even you have to admit, things have not changed very much. A continuance of blow outs in big games. Suspensions, soap opera theatrics, doping suspensions, horrific losses to inferior opponents, Robert Morris.
So, yes, I am entitled to my opinions just as much as you are. Like you, I am a ALUM of the School and very proud of it. And, you have no idea what sort of checks I write to the University or, what my donations have been over the years..And, it is none of your business. just as your are none of mine.
Divisive? who are you to judge? There are many here and the other site, that share my conviction that a better result is possible with the BB PROGRAM..
i am certainly aware too, many , even you, of late,disagree with my posts but, don't lecture me on my posts . Many of the Lavin supporters were Norm supporters, right up to the point he was fired or, let go.
And, yes, i too, am weary of those who espouse the status quo, surely as much as they disapprove of mine. So, rather than throw harpoons at people and, I never react, unless there is a personal insult hurled and, even then, i mostly restrain from a equally offensive remark but, yours was in that category. A cheap shot. Your better than that.
Let us both hope, and I know you are are a ardent supporter, that at some point our BB program can , once again,be something we can rejoice in and feel good about. If you like what you have now, so be it. I don't.
johnnycomelately
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fair enough-but its hard to believe Sampson would not rescind his verbal if a coaching change was made. All in all, I think Lavin should be extended for 3 years. he has succeeded, albeit sporadically, in convincing 4 star talent to come to St. John's. That achievement should not be underestimated.