Lavin's Future in Doubt at SJU

[southernjohnny2]

when Dean retired did they go to the minor leagues for a coach?

They promoted Bill Guthridge. who had never been a college head coach.

Correct they didn't go to the minor leagues!

 

[OLV72]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

 

[rawdognyc]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

yeahhhh.. I believe you left out some very important information. Namely the years leading up to these coaches taking over.
It's a lot easier to bake a cake from a Pillsbury box where you just add some oil and water, then creating a cake from scratch using flour, eggs, vanilla extract, sugar, brown sug.... I think maybe you get the point...


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Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes, you did: degree of difficulty. Three of Lavin's five years were in a conference that included UConn, Louisville, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia, etc. I'd say that it was a lot tougher to roll up wins in the Big East -- including the current one -- than in the Atlantic 10. Comparing winning percentages is one thing; comparing the level of competition of in the two conferences is something else again.

 

[rawdognyc]

2011–12 Dayton 20–13 9–7 5th NIT First Round
2012–13 Dayton 17–14 7–9 11th
2013–14 Dayton 26–11 10–6 T–5th NCAA Elite Eight
2014–15 Dayton 27–9 13–5T–. 2nd NCAA Third Round
Dayton: 90–47 (.657) 39–27 (.591)

27 wins for Archie this year despite losing two starting big men.

Starting to think that change you were talking about is similar to the change Obama promised us. When is the change coming?

 

[jetstorm]

Tom Bradley wrote: If STJ was going to change coaches after coming back from the dead to being ranked and playing in the dance, they would of been stupid not to lock down one of the two men that have said all season they wanted back in next season. Calhoun or Howland two homerun coaches that would of made us the story of the spring! Since nobody reached out to either of them of course Lavin is coming back. Why would the school roll the dice with unproven Hurley brothers or Archie? When you could have a 3 time champion, or a final 4 magnet! Or maybe go for Cluess? Just crazy talk

I love St. John's basketball and I attend almost every home game. I have been going to home games since the days of Brian Mahoney and have been a fan of the team since the 1970s. There is almost nothing that could turn me off from being a loyal St. John's fan.

That being said, if Jim Calhoun ever became the coach at St. John's I would be miserable beyond belief. He is a tough for me to embrace on any level. Watching his nasty demeanor on the sidelines for years has built up a real hate for me of UConn basketball. I know there is virtually no chance that he would ever be here but the mere suggestion of it makes my blood boil.

Could not agree more!!!

 

[JohnnyFan]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

 

[OLV72]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

So you agree that Lavin would have made a run.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

So you agree that Lavin would have made a run.

I do. I thought that team could have made a run with DJ and Dunlap.

 

[simplyred]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

So you agree that Lavin would have made a run.

I do. I thought that team could have made a run with DJ and Dunlap.

C'mon! Now you're shifting credit/blame the the assistant coach. You had me with you in the other thread.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

So you agree that Lavin would have made a run.

I do. I thought that team could have made a run with DJ and Dunlap.

C'mon! Now you're shifting credit/blame the the assistant coach. You had me with you in the other thread.

LOL ......you're right! I didn't even realize I was doing that.

 

[beast of the east]

Lav will be back, take it the bank...also look for him to go on a recruiting tear once this thing gets finalized...

Golions... if Mr. Lavin is capable of going "on a recruiting tear" then why has he not done so during the last 2 recruiting cycles?

Are you suggesting that he held back his recruiting efforts to leverage a contract extension?

I think there was a bit of a lack of effort there the past couple years, and not because he was leveraging his contract extension...

The last couple of years we were not coming off of an NCAA tournament appearance and we did not have a lot of playing time to offer..now we do and those are BIG factors..

Also, as much as people on this board like to make Lavin out to be some carefree, high society, would rather check out the new restaurant in town bozo kind of guy (i can't 100% disagree with this)..i think there are many coaches that work harder than Lavin, but if he didnt want to be in the coaching scene anymore this was his perfect opportunity to take a nice exit on a relatively high note and walk off into the broadcasting sunset where life is good, but it seems he is not taking that route because he still has the desire to coach and this contract extension is going to light a fire...when it comes to recruiting Lavin still has it, he just hasn't felt the urgency, or the need the past couple seasons...He's not extending his time at SJU to endure losing seasons and struggle to rebuild, he wants to win and now...he's going to get out there and get after it, just watch...

Saying Lavin hasn't felt the urgency to recruit is not saying much about Lavin. If he would have recruited better we might have been a sweet 16 team instead of a team playing the NCAA tourney w only 5 high major calibre players and mid major backups.

Well, hence why many here are not too fond of him, it's like a player with all kinds of talent (Rysheed is a good example) where some nights they just don't seem interested and kind of mail it in, while other nights they are the best player on the floor

Regarding this year, we also might have been a sweet 16 team had:

1) KT and ADR been eligble
2) Sampson or Harlkess or both stay
3) Obepka is not suspeneded

So not all Lavin's fault.

These days mostly everyone uses 6-8 men rotations and everyone runs motion offenses, i think every fan message board in the country has people complaining about X's and O's...

I follow LMU closely, we have Mike Dunlap,and our offense still looked like crap (dribble and pass around the perimeter until shot clock is under 8 then force a bad shot) 90% of the time...the game is not played the way it used to be.

I'm going to barf if I hear one more time how we would have been if Amir, Jakarr, and Mo stayed. Yea, and if Kentucky's best players over the last 4 years all stayed, they'd be an NBA playoff team. Losing NBA level talent after one or two years is expected. If you recruit those guys, you don't lament when they leave, you encourage them, and reload, and quickly. At the pregame reception , LAvin went into a long diatribe about how the team would have looked if Harkless, Garrett and Sampson were on this roster. This was just a few hours before the game.

In terms of your comments about the offense standing around, remember that we did essentially play 6 guys from the midway point of the BE season. All coaches tell players, "We rest on offense, NOT on defense". With an active, collapsing defense, and 6 guys sharing all the minutes save for a few first half minutes, at times guys just stood around. When they moved, and the ball moved, we had a crisp offense.

We played better offense this year with the shorter rotation than we did last year with all our depth. Pre-season no one thought we would be able to score and yet we improved in almost every category (other than rebounding). Dom deserves much of the credit but Greene's improvement also helped a great deal. I wonder how much better we would have been if Harrison did not get hurt. Prior to that injury he was all league and we would have had even better numbers overall.

Agree 100%. Harrison play was worthy of Wooden consideration - he was playing the best ball of his career by far. It's a really tricky thing to determine exactly how much of the tailoff was injury and how much was it him simply coming back to earth. No question the injury hampered him, but even as his health was improving he had some horrible games. He never had an explosive step to the basket, but in the snd half of the season, most of his drives to the basket appeared forced.

I guess when you really think about it, when you are playing 5 guards most of the time, if you can't move the ball better on offense, something is wrong.

 

[beast of the east]

Archie Miller at Dayton:
4 Seasons
90-47 Overall Record (.657%)
39-27 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (5-2 overall record, 2014 Elite Eight)

Steve Lavin at St. John's:
5 Seasons
81-55 Overall Record (.596%)
40-32 Conference Record
3 Twenty Win Seasons
2 NCAA Tournament Appearances (0-2)
2-9 Overall Postseason Record

Better overall record, better conference record, and better in March. Did I leave anything out?

Yes level of competition

How does that explain the postseason record?

Dude he took over a dead program, dead, stj was dead!! Let me know when Archie takes over a dead program and turns it around! I had a CYO coach that had an.800 win pct and I think if he is alive we could get him

If DJ does not hurt his knee his first group gets the right seed and could have advanced. The Lavin bashers seem to skip over this. The guy coached in the top conference and turned a doormat into a tournament team.

There is a big difference in the level of competition. Check out the BE's record versus the A 10 the past two seasons.

"IF"

So you agree that Lavin would have made a run.

I do. I thought that team could have made a run with DJ and Dunlap.

C'mon! Now you're shifting credit/blame the the assistant coach. You had me with you in the other thread.

LOL ......you're right! I didn't even realize I was doing that.

If it makes you feel better, I totally understand your position and frustration, and even agree with most of it.