Lavin's Future in Doubt at SJU

Why do you guys think Hurley could come in here and be a star everyone wants to play for? Because he played for Duke 25 years ago and two successful years at Buffalo? I would think Miller, Smart, or Jackson would be a much bigger impact hire for today's kids.
 
you're ok with the probability of losing Sampson? Writing off next year would be an understatement. If you let go of Lavin, Jordan and Obekpa- from mixed/doubtful to definitely gone.U lose Samson, a 4 star recruit. An next year is not just a throwaway, its a potential winless year in the Big East. Is everyone here prepared for that set of dominos?

Not saying it's an easy decision, but this scenario has to be contemplated.
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RJ left for Philly once a month it seemed and CO cost us the last 2 post seasons.

RJ seemed to get his act together the last few months, so if wants to come back for the new coach and shine then hey by all means come on back, do not let RJ dictate what you want to do, if you're the school.
CO for all I care could ship the hell out.

It's up to BS and the other recruits if they would want to play for the new coach.
The #1 priority for the school should be what they think is the best move for the future, and notb being scared of losing current players and recruits.
 
Heart transplant went well, so I will chime in;

1. Everything I hear points to a coaching change, but things can change obviously.
2. I'll react to the list of candidates that surfaces & go from there in the event SL is not extended.
3. We can argue & pollk holes in each other's preferences, but to what end?
4. Someone will be picked by SJU "brain trust" & many will bitch & moan, but most of us will continue to torture ourselves & support the program.
 
Seems like yesterday we were throwing around dozens of names, including those that were supposedly at the top of the school's list (Hewitt and Doherty).

Then I remember hearing we were about to announce Lavin as our next coach, which was a name pretty much out of left field.

Why do I have a feeling this is about to happen again?
 
Then I remember hearing we were about to announce Lavin as our next coach, which was a name pretty much out of left field.

Why do I have a feeling this is about to happen again? -ZanMan

I would be just as comfortable with Brett Gardner or Michael Cuddyer as I am with some of the names getting thrown out here, so why not?
 
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Avon and Paultz:

What level of confidence do you have that this administration will make a good hire? I'm hearing via word of mouth that this may be a cost cutting decision.
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Better pool of candidates than the last time so thehire will be better.

When I posted early in the year that he was gone no matter what, that was from info I received that the SJU higher ups were not happy spending as much as they have on a coach (and a very very overpaid staff) and not getting a return on the investment.

I wouldn't say they are going to be cheaper, but they will be smarter this time in how the staff is compensated
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And by smarter compensation packages an example would be not paying Gene Keady 350k a year. This is the nonsense that was completely unnecessary
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Just curious, what is the rest of the Staff's compensation packages?
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300-400 k range.
very overpaid for the product we've received.....
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While I think the University should be looking at ROI from investment in bball, it's really not my concern or yours. If they invest $5 million per year and we win 25 games per year, we wou;dn't care a bit. On the other hand if they spend $1 million per to be an NIT team, we'd all have a big problem with that.
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please just speak for yourself and dont tell me what my concern is.

thanks
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Unless you are kicking in, it's literally none of your business. It's not your business, since you are a fan, not a proprietor. I have a rooting interest in the team and that's all. I donate, but as soon as the check leaves my hands its not mine anymore - it just affects future donations if they aren't doing the right thing. You go to games, and you are a gigantic liar if you'd say that if we won big, but the team lost money that you would care. I'm not attacking you, but the idiot who thanked you is another story
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Beast, I have to disagree with you on the compensation issue. First, as a fan, I consider everything within reason that affects the team's prospects to be my business. And how much money the school (or the big-money donors) are willing to fork over for a head coach is hugely important. It's not the be-all-and-end-all, but it gives you a very good idea of what kind of caliber coach we could be getting in Lavin's stead.
 
So with Howland off the board, the school has two possible directions: up and comers, and legends.

In the up and comers category you have Archie Miller, Bobby Hurley, Danny Hurley, Rick Pitino Jr, and Masiello for obvious choices.

Masiello is out for reasons that should be obvious. Rick Pitino Jr is mediocre and there are better choices. Danny Hurley isn't cooked yet, he needs to do more at a higher level before he is more than a hope and a dream.

As between Miller and Bobby, Miller has done more and at a higher level, so he has a clear edge. However Bobby would certainly be a good gamble. If you are one of those who disqualifies him because "he's a Dukie", then I can't help you with that, because you're being irrational.

In the legends category, you have Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin. Mark seems a whOle lot like Clyde Drexler to Houston. Plus he may in fact be off his rocker. Clearly he has a big ego, and I dont see how that works with going and begging some high school kid to come play for him in college. I think Mark would be a terrible risk.

On the other hand, I think Chris could actually be a success, given the right staff. Would he be my first choice over a more proven commodity, no. I would certainly prefer him to everyone on the list above other than Miller and Bobby. If it were Bobby vs Chris I would probably go with Hurley, but I can see the contrary argument.

It does appear that Miller is the strongest potentially available candidate and the closest thing to a sure thing, though.

Hopefully the school will not reach and do something stupid if Lavin is indeed gone.
 
Seems like yesterday we were throwing around dozens of names, including those that were supposedly at the top of the school's list (Hewitt and Doherty).

Then I remember hearing we were about to announce Lavin as our next coach, which was a name pretty much out of left field.

Why do I have a feeling this is about to happen again?
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Phil Jackson, Jim Calhoun, D'Angelo Harrison.
 
Was Bobby Hurley in the Taurassi tape? Has to be a reason Marillac pimping him like he is Tom Izzo or something.
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I didn't think Buffalo had a chance. It's SUNY freaking Bufalo. The MAC is actually a pretty decent conference...Kent State went to Elite Eight out of the conference and Wally Szczerbiak led Miami (Ohio) to the Sweet 16. Ball State and Ohio (2012) made it to the Sweet 16 off the top of my head.

I was really impressed by the fight his team showed against WV. One made shot and they could have won the game. He won me over. Then, I looked at his recruiting and his roster. He's got two years of 25+ wins waiting for him if he remains. I think anyone would feel good about Bobby Hurley with 100 wins in just four seasons and that seems to be a near certainty. Why wait?
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Because Buffalo to SJU is too big a leap to reasonably think he can run a big time program.
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The jump from the NEC to the MAC is just as big as the jump from MAC to the new Big East. Buffalo beat Robert Morris by 15 @ Robert Morris. We couldn't have done that.

The MAC is better than the MAAC and Jimmy V did pretty well going from Iona to NC State, right? Paul Hewitt went directly from Siena to Ga Tech and went to the national championship game. SH hired Willard from Iona (not the greatest example admittedly). John Beilein coached at Canisius before a brief trip to Richmond landed him at WV.
Danny Hurley (with Bobby as co-coach) seamlessly made the jump from the the NEC to the A-10 -- a conference nearly as good as the Big East.
 
I know some people don't like Mark Jackson because he preaches and didn't get along with the higher ups in Golden State, but there might not be a better guy to have as a recruiter in NYC. Every HS kid knows him and I'm sure they would love to play for him. He's gotta know the school system here for everyone that wants to get more NYC guys. I'm not 100% on his coaching ability, but he's gotta be a step up from Lavin in that regard. If we can't get the big coach that we all want, he is still an upgrade over the current situation and I feel he can build a program here.
 
Chris Mullin is my favorite Johnnie of all time. But he is just as qualified to be the next coach as my 2nd favorite Johnnie Walter Berry. If we are just throwing names out there becuase we liked how they played I nominate Berry. At least as opposed to Hurley he played for us and just as qualified as Mullin. My 2nd choice would be David Russell.
 
Aside from an impossible hire like Pitino Sr., Cal, Self, Izzo, etc., I think Miller is the strongest of the "obtainable" choices, and we don't even know how obtainable he really is.

He seems like the best choice of all the reasonable names we are throwing around.

I just hope some of you don't jump off a bridge if SJU announces a 3 year extension for Lavin on Friday. You guys are counting your coaches before they've hatched.
 
I know some people don't like Mark Jackson because he preaches and didn't get along with the higher ups in Golden State, but there might not be a better guy to have as a recruiter in NYC. Every HS kid knows him and I'm sure they would love to play for him. He's gotta know the school system here for everyone that wants to get more NYC guys. I'm not 100% on his coaching ability, but he's gotta be a step up from Lavin in that regard. If we can't get the big coach that we all want, he is still an upgrade over the current situation and I feel he can build a program here.
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Would you be willing to bet the future of the program on the question of whether Mark Jackson is both stable and capable of getting along with people? If he couldnt get along wth his bosses and players in the pros, how is he going to handle nyc high school coaches, players, handlers, hangers on, etC? Does not seem like a good gamble at all.

If you want a legend, Mullin would be a better option. Still lots of risk, but a whole different kind and I have some confidence that he would recognize any holes and patch them with staff. No ego problems with Chris.
 
Chris Mullin is my favorite Johnnie of all time. But he is just as qualified to be the next coach as my 2nd favorite Johnnie Walter Berry. If we are just throwing names out there becuase we liked how they played I nominate Berry. At least as opposed to Hurley he played for us and just as qualified as Mullin. My 2nd choice would be David Russell.
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Come on now. Chris Mullin. Greatest player in SJU history. Wooden award winner. All american. Basketball Hall of Fame. Gold medal winner. NBA GM. But he's not qualified to fill Norm Roberts Florsheim shoes and Steve Lavin's sweat suit? Come on now.
 
If you want a legend, Mullin would be a better option. Still lots of risk, but a whole different kind and I have some confidence that he would recognize any holes and patch them with staff. No ego problems with Chris.
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What about the other legend that is with Chris in my avatar? I know he's been itching for a HC job, except in the NBA.
 
I know some people don't like Mark Jackson because he preaches and didn't get along with the higher ups in Golden State, but there might not be a better guy to have as a recruiter in NYC. Every HS kid knows him and I'm sure they would love to play for him. He's gotta know the school system here for everyone that wants to get more NYC guys. I'm not 100% on his coaching ability, but he's gotta be a step up from Lavin in that regard. If we can't get the big coach that we all want, he is still an upgrade over the current situation and I feel he can build a program here.
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Would you be willing to bet the future of the program on the question of whether Mark Jackson is both stable and capable of getting along with people? If he couldnt get along wth his bosses and players in the pros, how is he going to handle nyc high school coaches, players, handlers, hangers on, etC? Does not seem like a good gamble at all.

If you want a legend, Mullin would be a better option. Still lots of risk, but a whole different kind and I have some confidence that he would recognize any holes and patch them with staff. No ego problems with Chris.
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I agree that it would be taking a risk with Jackson and he's definitely not my first choice. But I want an improvement from the current situation, and Lavin has ruined his relationship with at least one of the biggest programs in NYC (CTK). The only school in the area he seems to have a pipeline at is OSNA. I would be willing to start over with a NYC guy to build new relationships as opposed to Lavin who has already ruined some.

There's two reasons I don't want Mullin as the coach here. First, he's never coached before. That's a risk in itself as he has no experience and we don't know what we will get. Second, if things go bad, I don't wanna ruin the relationship with Mullin if he were to get fired. He is very important to this program and we need his endorsement for the future. We all know that Jackson and the school don't have a good relationship so there's nothing there to ruin.
 
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