Boston College, Sun., Dec. 10, 4:30p, ESPNU

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Can’t believe how much we miss Luis.

I still think we have the players to succeed this year. This team will be able to beat the teams in the big east nobody here again is expecting us to win. From game to game especially after losses like this these comments are totally warranted and expected.

I am just as disappointed but I know after a good win the narrative will change again.
 
I don’t predict to start with and not having seen any of the portal players play previously I was somewhat amused by the lofty predictions many in the media and on this board had for this team. Nothing tangible, click bait, which is a con, and unwarranted enthusiasm from a starved fan base, which is very, very understandable.

Pitino had a very difficult task coming in here, the desire to win immediately and the need to blow up a decades long losing culture that IMO hit rock bottom last year. So he recruited who he recruited in the very short time span he had and went to work, warning it would be a rocky road to start and it has been.

Fans looked at the offensive stats of those players and decided we were “made in the shade.” But offense does not win, offense gets the headlines and the girls but from back in the peach basket days, defense and rebounding are the most important factors because they are constants, offense and especially shooting, are variables. So the team, unfortunately, has not bought into that, with the exception of a few. Or maybe, with the players past experience, they cannot; I don’t buy that, but it is possible.

So we get posts blaming the freshman, ‘they stink”; blaming Pitino, “he should go zone” “why play the freshman”; blaming Ludlum and Jenkins, frankly not sure why; blaming Dingle, when it was obvious from the start, at least to me, that he was a player who could not contribute without the ball in his hand - constantly!! You can see on offense, his instinct is to “run behind the ball” to go get it.

Personally, I don’t want Pitino to do anything but what he thinks he should do, I want him to build a freaking program in the time he is here that another coach can come in and sustain. Yes, I want SJU to win this year, but more than that, I want SJU to return to the days where they were a viable competitive program.

Last point, I need to stop posting during games, because, well……. just because.
 
Again I know defense is a huge problem but up 10 riding Soriano. If keep doing we win.
Defensively we are a mess. Not sure that going to get fixed. Feeding your best player seems like easy fix.

Jenkins, Dingle and Ledlum have taken more shots than Joel.
Soriano is shooting 68%
Yes 68%
One more time 68%
Dingle 43%
Ledlum 40%
Jenkins 39%

That is simply unacceptable!
 
Can’t believe how much we miss Luis.

I still think we have the players to succeed this year. This team will be able to beat the teams in the big east nobody here again is expecting us to win. From game to game especially after losses like this these comments are totally warranted and expected.

I am just as disappointed but I know after a good win the narrative will change again.
They should have kept Posh. He could play defense.
 
Despite the struggles, I remain positive because we have Pitino to right the ship. Seen way too much basketball to give up on a season after 9 games.
And, I think that this team has played only a fraction of a game thus far with arguably its second best player. Putting him in the mix changes the entire dynamic, at least offensively. The defense has to get better, but we probably win 2 of the games we lost if Luis was playing a normal turn. Hopefully he can return soon and stay in the lineup.
 
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Three positives from yesterday:

1) Soriano is a beast in the post. He's been taught to be patient in the hole with the ball in his hands and use his pivot foot and strength to create soace for power moves and baskets. When he nailed another early 3, Bc's post had to move out to guard him. From there it was all Soriano.

2. It was an honor meeting the great NCJOHNNIE and his (very) lovely wife ay halftime and seeing my good friend Panther too. Just missed ESPNKEN - next time. Zuby's family also traveled to game from tx.

3. The first 5 minutes of the second half were what all good teams do coming out of the locker room. We opened that 52-42 lead , but sucked the rest of the way.

Minor positive. Brady went for (Jenkins?) head fake towards halfcourt and threw a pass right to a bc player after Jenkins cut, leading to a layup. The way Brady's teammates supporyed him as he headed to the bench, especially Wilcher, was great to see.

I restrain from posting after losses. Literally I have stomach pains that begin at my neck to my gut. I hate losing at anything and am so invested literally in all of this.

Speaking with fans before the game i thought this was a trap game. BC is not very good but is good enough to beat us on a bad day.

I just try to be disciplined around the extreme lows and high emotions in wins and losses. It's a long road and thankfully CRP is more resilient than us as fans.

I understand all the negativity but also believe each of our guys are really trying to defend better, even if there was little evidence in the second half.

It will get better
Better days ahead. Practice today, and lots more work to do.

Thank God it's Monday because Sunday sucked
Have a good one guys.
 
Again I know defense is a huge problem but up 10 riding Soriano. If keep doing we win.
Defensively we are a mess. Not sure that going to get fixed. Feeding your best player seems like easy fix.

Jenkins, Dingle and Ledlum have taken more shots than Joel.
Soriano is shooting 68%
Yes 68%
One more time 68%
Dingle 43%
Ledlum 40%
Jenkins 39%

That is simply unacceptable!
You have to love Soriano dunking to put us up 52-42 and flexing…scoring at will. Next possession what do we need? More cowbell. Daniss Jenkins step back 3 even though he’s 0-3 in the game. More cowbell baby. Nobody else touches the ball. That’s winning basketball.
 
Three positives from yesterday:

1) Soriano is a beast in the post. He's been taught to be patient in the hole with the ball in his hands and use his pivot foot and strength to create soace for power moves and baskets. When he nailed another early 3, Bc's post had to move out to guard him. From there it was all Soriano.

2. It was an honor meeting the great NCJOHNNIE and his (very) lovely wife ay halftime and seeing my good friend Panther too. Just missed ESPNKEN - next time. Zuby's family also traveled to game from tx.

3. The first 5 minutes of the second half were what all good teams do coming out of the locker room. We opened that 52-42 lead , but sucked the rest of the way.

Minor positive. Brady went for (Jenkins?) head fake towards halfcourt and threw a pass right to a bc player after Jenkins cut, leading to a layup. The way Brady's teammates supporyed him as he headed to the bench, especially Wilcher, was great to see.

I restrain from posting after losses. Literally I have stomach pains that begin at my neck to my gut. I hate losing at anything and am so invested literally in all of this.

Speaking with fans before the game i thought this was a trap game. BC is not very good but is good enough to beat us on a bad day.

I just try to be disciplined around the extreme lows and high emotions in wins and losses. It's a long road and thankfully CRP is more resilient than us as fans.

I understand all the negativity but also believe each of our guys are really trying to defend better, even if there was little evidence in the second half.

It will get better
Better days ahead. Practice today, and lots more work to do.

Thank God it's Monday because Sunday sucked
Have a good one guys.
Great to finally meet you and Panther, Beast, you are both examples of everything that is great about SJU fans and this board. I am now 0 for my last 3 attending SJU games in person - yesterday, the Marquette slaughter in the quarterfinals of the 2019 BET and Coach K's 1,000th victory over us in 2015 (I think it was 2015). I guess the moral of that story is I need to watch from home. Having said that, my family and I totally enjoyed the experience if not our team's play and the result.
 
Is Jenkins really a point guard
We really don’t have one.
Did anyone see the Xavier/ Cal game?
Posh Alexander was good and has been for
Xavier so far.
Pitino blew it by not keeping him!
 
You have to love Soriano dunking to put us up 52-42 and flexing…scoring at will. Next possession what do we need? More cowbell. Daniss Jenkins step back 3 even though he’s 0-3 in the game. More cowbell baby. Nobody else touches the ball. That’s winning basketball.
That was a terrible shot.
Actually should be his nickname
 
Prefacing this with...I don't believe he's the cure all and realize he's hurt but is Cruz Davis more of a PG or shooting guard?
 
Pitino also said there were 7 NBA draft picks on this roster.

We don’t even have 7 Big East players.

So if that’s the case, either coach’s talent evaluation is a bit off, or all 7 of the so called NBA draft picks have underachieved? And while it may still be that the team is finding themselves in Pitinos system, judging by many individual performances, that may just not be the case.

Still early in the season but it’s getting late fast with the Big East schedule looming. A poor start in conference play could be a real bummer for a season of such high hopes.
 
Well, at least Rick took some blame tonight saying it was partially staff's fault for recruiting offensive players, and thinking they could teach older players defense.

That may be true but his younger players, especially Wilcher who was beat every time he guarded someone, didn’t fare much better either. Concerning.
 
For those at the game. With the small/spread out crowd you could hear Pitino yelling out where BC was going with the ball. I don’t remember who it was but there was a play where BC drove and took a bad shot when there was a player wide open in the corner for a 3. Pitino was telling the defense to watch the corner even though the BC guy was even there yet. He knew what was coming obviously from scouting and the players didn’t.

Drissa and Wilcher along with (maybe a manager or lower level assistant) we’re also calling out open spots. We didn’t react on the court.
 
Poor turn out. Flat crowd. Lots of empty rows in lower sections. No lines at concession stands or rest rooms. BC brought its band. We didn’t. Go figure.
Our Band was there. Bathroom lines were long at half time and at the end of the game which is had more to do with the fact that Barclay's has inadequate bathrooms in terms of size and numbers than the fact that there were a lot of fans there.
 
Frustrating loss tonight. No doubt about it.

A few thoughts
1) Jenkins gets WAY too much hate here. I don’t know what it is. When he was not on the court tonight it was a MONUMENTAL difference. The team had no direction. Yes, he has holes. He should not be shooting step back threes. The worst case scenario is he hits 1 and starts thinking that’s his game. That said, he made some very heady defensive plays today and great passes. He’s gotta stay out of foul trouble.
2) Time to take a serious look at Dingle being a starter. He’s way too much of a defensive liability to not be putting up 18 a game and 40%+ from 3. He’s slow on D and will get smoked by BE guards. He’s not aggressive enough on offense. Time for him to put up or shut up.
3) Dunlap and Wilcher looked completely overmatched during their floor time. They gotta get it together quick. They didn’t earn any PT. That said, Dingle cannot be the PG. So with Dannis not on the floor, Wilcher HAS to be ready to spell him some minutes. I really hope to see that development. Rooting for our frosh’s.
4) Joel my fav Johhnie in a very very long time. Agree he’s the only difference maker right now offensively.
5) Ledlum has really stepped up since the start of the season. His game around the rim has greatly improved. That said, he’s still too slow of defense and him and dingle on the floor together make it tough to stay in man D.
6) I continue to like Glenn Taylor’s consistency and shot selection. He does a lot without the ball.
7) hoping RJ Luis comes back soon. He looked amazing against Sacred Heart but they were clearly not a great basketball team. I hope we don’t pressure him into the next great hype just because we need a savior. Let him work his way in, lots of talent there.
8) Rick has WON more college basketball games than most of us have watched. Just relax and let him do his thing please. I promise you, you don’t know more about coaching basketball than Rick Pitino.

Hoping the season continues to improve and looking forward to watching some fun basketball.
Dude, take a step back...I could easily out coach Pitino if only I got my chances
 
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