2020 Jets

Uh oh Deshaun Watson wants out of Houston. 

A lot of talk about the Jets potentially putting a package together because of their draft capital with the #2 pick and the Seattle picks 

don't think I would like it if they did it. Watson is great. But if we have nothing around him because we have no picks to build a team, he's just gonna experience the same shit he experienced in Houston this season 
 
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IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.
 
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.
 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.
 
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.

 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.

 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   
 
I am not a Jets fan but I totally think Sam Darnold can be salvaged with better coaching and talent around him.  Remember he is YOUNGER than Joe Burrow....
 
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.


 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.


 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   

That's the thing.. I saw on ESPN, I am probably misquoting, giving up the #2 plus 2021 plus the Seahwaks 2 #1s for 2021 and 2022.. whatever it was, it was massive given the current state of the franchise. I just don't see Douglas doing that. 
 
 
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.


 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.


 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   

Chris Johnson :)
 
 
mjmaherjr" post=411783 said:
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.




 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.




 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   

Chris Johnson :)

Take his brother also and you can bring a shit load of lobster rolls to the UK as ambassador :) 

 
 
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SI1996" post=411785 said:
mjmaherjr" post=411783 said:
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.





 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.





 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   

Chris Johnson :)

Take his brother also and you can bring a shit load of lobster rolls to the UK as ambassador :) 


I'll gladly bring a bunch to Gman and Kira in London :)

 
 
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.


 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.


 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   
 
In my very uninformed opinion, if you are the Bears or the Rams or the Colts you give up a lot of draft picks (2 1s and a few 2s/3s), your present QB, and one star to become a Super Bowl contender.   Saints have their Brees successor if they do the same.  If things get bad enough in Texas and they tak calls those teams might have enough assets left behind to maybe make the sacrifice worth it.  And it might cost less.  Texans need draft picks after sending them all to you guys for Tunsil.

But if we are exclusively talking about the Jets as I said I agree that it's hard to justify.  They'd need to offer Sam, #2 and all the Seahawks picks the next 2 years to get them to pick up the phone.  Jets need too many things to do that.  Personally I think the Jets should hold on to Sam, build the OL, DB and skill positions in the next 2 drafts and pick up a low cost vet if Sam can't succeed with better parts around him.  Jets are in win 2024 mode anyway.
 
austour" post=411794 said:
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.




 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.




 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   


 
In my very uninformed opinion, if you are the Bears or the Rams or the Colts you give up a lot of draft picks (2 1s and a few 2s/3s), your present QB, and one star to become a Super Bowl contender.   Saints have their Brees successor if they do the same.  If things get bad enough in Texas and they tak calls those teams might have enough assets left behind to maybe make the sacrifice worth it.  And it might cost less.  Texans need draft picks after sending them all to you guys for Tunsil.

But if we are exclusively talking about the Jets as I said I agree that it's hard to justify.  They'd need to offer Sam, #2 and all the Seahawks picks the next 2 years to get them to pick up the phone.  Jets need too many things to do that.  Personally I think the Jets should hold on to Sam, build the OL, DB and skill positions in the next 2 drafts and pick up a low cost vet if Sam can't succeed with better parts around him.  Jets are in win 2024 mode anyway.


Austour, this makes a lot of sense to me. The Jets are not a good QB away from being competitive. They have too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball.  Look what happened to Burrow at Cincinnati.  A QB needs a line that can protect him and competent skill players to be effective.  To me, the jury is still out on Darnold. He really hasn't had an opportunity to show what he can do. The problem is that, if he stays, the Jets will have to make a decision about his future with the team next season.

I like Douglass so far and think he can get the team on the road to recovery. But I'm glad I'm not in his shoes. He has some very difficult decision to make in the months ahead that could impact his future as an NFL GM.

 
 
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fordham96" post=411780 said:
I am not a Jets fan but I totally think Sam Darnold can be salvaged with better coaching and talent around him.  Remember he is YOUNGER than Joe Burrow....
He's also considerably less talented...
 
mjmaherjr" post=411783 said:
SJUFAN2" post=411779 said:
austour" post=411773 said:
MCNPA" post=411712 said:
IMO Jets should keep Darnold, go grab a seasoned QB from somewhere to compete for starting job.  Start rebuilding by hiring a great coach and using all those great draft picks for the multitude of other needs.  Can always part with Darnold in a year or two if it doesn't work out, but he's got talent and it's be a waste to trade the farm for somebody that's not Trevor Lawrence.  QB's are often hard to forecast.  The jets have a ton they need to rebuild. Most important is having a good front office and good coach who has a plan.




 
I agree there are a multitude of needs to justify holding on to the picks.  But Deshaun Watson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league under the age of 40, IOW with more than another year left on their career.  And he's only 25.  His only downsides are what it would cost to get him and his impact on the salary cap.  Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing.




 
So if you trade for Watson, what are you willing to give up?   

Chris Johnson :)


 
Smart guy like you still can't figure out the new quote function?   Maybe its time to start deleting posts that can't in order to keep the site readable...
 
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Smart guy and being tech savvy 2 seperate animals. Keep in mind I had a flip phone till 3 years ago. Dont expect me to understand new quote stuff :)
 
mjmaherjr" post=411810 said:
Smart guy and being tech savvy 2 seperate animals. Keep in mind I had a flip phone till 3 years ago. Dont expect me to understand new quote stuff :)
and you've driving a camel
 
Spocky Ramone" post=411842 said:
mjmaherjr" post=411810 said:
Smart guy and being tech savvy 2 seperate animals. Keep in mind I had a flip phone till 3 years ago. Dont expect me to understand new quote stuff :)
and you've driving a camel. 




I find camel riding in the desert  lot easier than using my phone although in the middle of the Sahara Desert ehile on the camel I did answer the phone when a big client was calling :)

 
 
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I am not a Jet fan.  I am just a laymen wanting to go on record as saying Zach Wilson will be an absolute star in the NFL.  He is the next Patrick Mahomes, who the Jets passed on in the 2017 draft.  Don't make that mistake again!
 
#ExpectingThisPostToAgeWell
 
 
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mjmaherjr" post=411810 said:
Smart guy and being tech savvy 2 seperate animals. Keep in mind I had a flip phone till 3 years ago. Dont expect me to understand new quote stuff :)
HA!  
We have octagenarians who have figured it out.   Even without the benefit of the instructions being stickied at the top of the forum page...
 
SJUFAN2" post=412031 said:
mjmaherjr" post=411810 said:
Smart guy and being tech savvy 2 seperate animals. Keep in mind I had a flip phone till 3 years ago. Dont expect me to understand new quote stuff :)
HA!  
We have octagenarians who have figured it out.   Even without the benefit of the instructions being stickied at the top of the forum page...

 
Successful guys like Maher doen't need to be tech wizards. They pay other people to do the wizardry for them. :cool:
 
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