RIP Coach Carnesecca

[Alumni Hall]

Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?

I had the pleasure of having lunch with Willie, Walter and others at the post Mass luncheon. In that ECAC game, MJ went Christmas shopping in NYC and was late to UNC’s pregame meal. As punishment, Dean Smith sat MJ a minute for every minute he was late. That’s why he crushed us in the second half. Willie and MJ were not related at all.

 

[Mean Gene]

1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.

I think Glass is above Goodwin.

 

[Section9]

1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.

Exactly!

 

[CBA69]

I think if you add Mel Davis to the list, he would end up #1. In his two year, 54 game career at St. John's, he averaged 20.9 ppg, 16.4 rpg and 2.0 apg. I believe he was once quoted as saying that he had to wear seven pairs of sox to cushion his feet after he skied for a rebound.

To compare statistics, in his 117 game career, George Johnson averaged 15.1 ppg, 10.6 rpg and no apg.

 

[Delaware]

I thought it was Ed Searcy who had to wear all the sox. Either way, it's a good story.

 

[redmannorth]

I think Glass is above Goodwin.

Mean Gene, whatever you are smoking please put it down.
Billy was a third team BE player, who did everything very well.

 

[SJU85]

I think Glass is above Goodwin.

I love Willie but disagree. Both were excellent defenders and rebounders but Billy was better offensively and the better all around player.

 

[Go Red Storm]

Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?

The story was that Willie and James Worthy were cousins but it turned out that Willie himself said they were good friends who everyone thought were cousins.

BTW Willie is my all-time favorite Johnny and it is not even close. I have a Glass jersey i wear to every SJU game

 

[NCJohnnie]

I thought it was Ed Searcy who had to wear all the sox. Either way, it's a good story.

I suspect they both wore several pairs of socks. I'm a contemporary of Searcy (born the same year) and I remember it was popular to wear a couple of pairs of sweatsocks in the late 60s early 70s even if you played and couldn't jump a lick like me lol.

 

[IDRAFT]

George Johnson fierce inside.
David Russell our Luke Skywalker jump out of the gym
Billy Goodwin, our glue guy, guy every winning team needs
Willie Glass, another Skywalker, like Russell, but Russell more well rounded game, Glass boy could he sky for rebounds, put backs, alley ops, and dunks, move him 10 feet away from the basket not so much.

Agree on Glass, but that was even more the case with Bruin. He was two years behind me and we were both Astoria/LIC kids and we all knew his game. No finesse at all, tremendous leaper, but if you could keep him away from the rim (big if, for us, but less so at D1 college) he was done. Russell could do everything Bruin could do and also had a baseline jumper that Bruin could only dream about.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Without being around to watch Glass or Goodwin, just providing the numbers.

Here are their averages over their final two years at SJU.

Goodwin: 14.3 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts, .2 blks, 1.2 stls, 49% fg, 75% FT%

Glass: 14.95 pts, 5.7 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.4 blks, .9 stls, 51% fg, 66% FT%

As with everything I'm sure numbers don't tell the whole story, but doesn't seem like a cut and dry choice to me.

 

[SJU85]

The story was that Willie and James Worthy were cousins but it turned out that Willie himself said they were good friends who everyone thought were cousins.

BTW Willie is my all-time favorite Johnny and it is not even close. I have a Glass jersey i wear to every SJU game

Willie had family in NC and would visit there in the summers of his youth.

 

[Go Red Storm]

Without being around to watch Glass or Goodwin, just providing the numbers.

Here are their averages over their final two years at SJU.

Goodwin: 14.3 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts, .2 blks, 1.2 stls, 49% fg, 75% FT%

Glass: 14.95 pts, 5.7 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.4 blks, .9 stls, 51% fg, 66% FT%

As with everything I'm sure numbers don't tell the whole story, but doesn't seem like a cut and dry choice to me.

Saw them both play and they are very similar in production. I think Willie was the better athlete. Ironically both of them stood on the basket at MSG after winning a Big East championship

 

[Go Red Storm]

I had the pleasure of having lunch with Willie, Walter and others at the post Mass luncheon. In that ECAC game, MJ went Christmas shopping in NYC and was late to UNC’s pregame meal. As punishment, Dean Smith sat MJ a minute for every minute he was late. That’s why he crushed us in the second half. Willie and MJ were not related at all.

Who did Willie room with in his days at SJU?

 

[SJU85]

Without being around to watch Glass or Goodwin, just providing the numbers.

Here are their averages over their final two years at SJU.

Goodwin: 14.3 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts, .2 blks, 1.2 stls, 49% fg, 75% FT%

Glass: 14.95 pts, 5.7 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.4 blks, .9 stls, 51% fg, 66% FT%

As with everything I'm sure numbers don't tell the whole story, but doesn't seem like a cut and dry choice to me.

Goodwin was the 3rd option behind Mullin and Russell his last two years.

Glass was the 3rd option his junior year behind Berry and Rowan and he and Jackson were options 1 or 2 his last year.

Having seen both, I stand by my earlier opinion.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Mean Gene, whatever you are smoking please put it down.
Billy was a third team BE player, who did everything very well.

Glass was 3rd team all BE as well

 

[Dal975]

The story was that Willie and James Worthy were cousins but it turned out that Willie himself said they were good friends who everyone thought were cousins.

BTW Willie is my all-time favorite Johnny and it is not even close. I have a Glass jersey i wear to every SJU game

Thank you! It was Worthy I had heard instead of Jordan. Mixed them up. Funny too how Willie got drafted by Lakers. (I think)

 

[MainMan]

Without being around to watch Glass or Goodwin, just providing the numbers.

Here are their averages over their final two years at SJU.

Goodwin: 14.3 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts, .2 blks, 1.2 stls, 49% fg, 75% FT%

Glass: 14.95 pts, 5.7 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.4 blks, .9 stls, 51% fg, 66% FT%

As with everything I'm sure numbers don't tell the whole story, but doesn't seem like a cut and dry choice to me.

Goodwin was a very good ball handler and had excellent court vision. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Willie was the best athlete we've seen here. He came in here with an upperclassman's body. Strong as the Hulk, could leap like Spiderman, but shot like Daredevil and dribbled like Galactus.

Willie wasn't a guy who could create his own shot. He was often set up by his classmate, Mark Jackson, the best we've ever had at setting other guys up.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Goodwin was a very good ball handler and had excellent court vision. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Willie was the best athlete we've seen here. He came in here with an upperclassman's body. Strong as the Hulk, could leap like Spiderman, but shot like Daredevil and dribbled like Galactus.

Willie wasn't a guy who could create his own shot. He was often set up by his classmate, Mark Jackson, the best we've ever had at setting other guys up.

Thanks MM. What was the story with Goodwin missing his fresh year? Juco?

 

[SJU85]

Thanks MM. What was the story with Goodwin missing his fresh year? Juco?

Went to San Jacinto which also gave us Walter Berry, Boo Harvey and Michael Porter.