RIP Coach Carnesecca

Mullin and Looie had classic matchups with Villanova, Pinkney and Rollie; watching those two impish Italian-Americans on the sidelines with their gyrations was comical. Looie though being much more slender (let's say) than Rollie did not look as discombobulated on the sidelines.
Hating on Nova wasn't easy back then especially when they had classy, Easy-Ed Pinkney.

Years later, when Nova fans invaded the Garden almost making it an away game, with their Main Line attitudes, fancier clothes, and somewhat superior, smug attitudes (some students, not all and not their parents), I always got the feeling they looked down on "blue collar" St. John's students. [Like the Old: "your fathers, work for our fathers" chants.]
 
Vill vs SJU at Alumni Hall. I don’t recall the year but it was before the game was moved to MSG. SJU get the opening tap with the ball in Mullins hand He passes the ball to a teammate at half court and moves down the sideline , then under the basket and back to just about where he started , with all his teammates setting blocks he gets the ball back and has a wide open twenty footer which he drains.
This was a play Looie ran for years and Rollie had probably practiced defending it for the past two days so he explodes on the sideline, the shirt already out of his pants and calls a timeout with tenor twelve seconds gone in the game.
The play was called the “Red”.

Rollie used to throw the triangle and two at us when we had Chris and David Russell playing those two mans to man and a triangle zone on the rest. Billy Goodwin would always go off on them when they tried that or as he would say “I’ll kick their teeth in if they try that garbage”.

Tried it a bit in 84/85 but it didn’t work at all.
 
Years later, when Nova fans invaded the Garden almost making it an away game, with their Main Line attitudes, fancier clothes, and somewhat superior, smug attitudes (some students, not all and not their parents), I always got the feeling they looked down on "blue collar" St. John's students. [Like the Old: "your fathers, work for our fathers" chants.]

Nova gives off the catholic country club vibes of Notre Dame, just ask Temple, St. Joe's and LaSalle fans.
 
When Looie returned to SJU from the Nets, his new salary at SJU was a reported $22,000. Mulzoff had been paid $17,000, due to the fact that at that time SJU paid him no more than full time faculty.

I don't recall the details of Rollie's departure, but I do agree the similarities diverge after sideline antics. (Allegedly, they were the team that put a paper bag full of cash at Walter Berry's hotel door).

Rollie's aggregate record his last 4 years at Nova was 67-61, and somehow got 2 ncaa bids with 17-15 and 18-15 records. His 14-15 final season at Nova was likely writing on the wall, but also likely a money grab. He lasted just two seasons at unlv.
Beast I am pretty sure it was Georgia.
 
I knew Cuse had to be paying players because why would anyone want to play for Boeheim? He is as inviting and warm as a Syracuse winter.

Never a fan of Rollie. Seemed incredibly pompous with an edge that Lou never had. His whole departure to UNLV was a debacle.
I took a train to Syracuse for a game one year when Red Bruin (Mater Christi alum, like me) was there. He picked up his girlfriend in a quite nice Trans Am or something like that. Nice ride for a kid from Queensbridge...

Of course, he got into some trouble with the law after his college career but seems to be an okay guy now as a youth counselor in South Carolina.
 
Yes Tony Bruin got that car from Syracuse Booster who owned Rapp Pontiac…that booster eventually got into major trouble with the NCAA as he also provided more illegal benefits.

I also remember that the Cuse players got monthly delivery of Ralph Loren clothing in their locker room. When the Pearl joined the team, he announced he had first dibs on clothing cause he was the star. That didn’t go,over well with the veterans in the locker room.
 
I also remember that the Cuse players got monthly delivery of Ralph Loren clothing in their locker room. When the Pearl joined the team, he announced he had first dibs on clothing cause he was the star. That didn’t go,over well with the veterans in the locker room.
I’ll take a wild guess and say Andre Hawkins was one of those veterans. 😀
Here’s a photo of Cuse at Alumni Hall from 1984.
Priceless expression on Lou’s face as he convened with Boeheim and ref.

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I took a train to Syracuse for a game one year when Red Bruin (Mater Christi alum, like me) was there. He picked up his girlfriend in a quite nice Trans Am or something like that. Nice ride for a kid from Queensbridge...

Of course, he got into some trouble with the law after his college career but seems to be an okay guy now as a youth counselor in South Carolina.

Bruin drove around Queens in a Trans Am back then and it was rumored it was a gift for picking Syracuse (my friends older brother was a friend of Bruin).

I went to see Lou after he committed to Syracuse to lament losing him and Lou’s response was “Hey, he can’t hurt us”.
St. John’s got David Russell coming in the same year and got the better player.
 
Over the past week, with Looie's passing, there have been a lot of articles and sports broadcasters who prominently mentioned "the sweater". Many of them got the premise all wrong. One article began, "Looie liked to wear sweaters." I think my recollection is accurate, so please help me here.

On January 14, 1985, the 11-1 Red Storm traveled to Pittsburgh to play the Pitt Panthers. We had already lost an away game to Niagara of all teams, which was a shocker. Still, Pitt, which finished 8-8 for fifth place in the Big East that year, was anything but a pushover. They had a star freshman, Charles Smith, as well as Demetrius Gore, and Curtis Aiken. This much fans can agree on: Looie had a cold, and his wife Mary, concerned for his health travelling in winter weather and playing in cold, drafty gyms, insisted he pack a sweater. Looie grabbed the first sweater he saw, an ugly one he never had worn, and departed for the game.

Looie, favored brown suits, a white shirt and tie, that looked anything but debonaire to begin with, but by mid game, was usually a crumpled mess. Jacket discarded, shirt sleeves rolled up, loosened tie always in the way, is how I remember Coach. That night, though, he wore the sweater over his shirt and tie instead.

The game result? We crushed Pitt 82-59. Five days later, we played #15 Boston College at BC, an even tougher away opponent. Looie, still nursing the cold, but also the superstitious leprechaun, wore the sweater again. This time, the result was a hard fought 66-59 victory. Four days later, an even even tougher opponent loomed ahead at MSG, #11 Syracuse, who always brought a lot of their fans to the Garden. Yep, now the sweater was now his rabbit's foot, presumable not washed. This time, an 82-80 overtime victory.

Three days later, on January 26 in Landover, our toughest opponent yet lay waiting, #1 ranked Georgetown Hoyas. This was to be a clash of titans, with senior Patrick Ewing, the best college basketball center in decades, arguably ever, anchoring the vaunted G'Town defense. David Wingate, Bill Martin, Reggie Williams, and Michael Jackson rounded out the starters. Their bench was deep, and nationally they were as well known as any NBA team. Looie wore his sweater, Berry and Mullin dominated, and the final score a 66-65 Johnnie's win was not nearly as close as indicated. The Hoyas finished with a furious flurry to close a double digit SJU lead.

Providence fell, UCONN (simply University of Connecticut then) fell, and Seton Hall also went down. Sweater, sweater, sweater.

The next big test was #19 Villanova at the Spectrum, on February 9th. The sweater was a no brainer, and the result an 70-68 hard fought win. (Ultimately went 3-0 against the eventual champion Wildcats).

Columbia, Pitt, and DePaul were whacked easily, and now the sweater was 11-0 and St. John's was #1.

Next up was #18 BC at home, and then #7 Syracuse at the Carrier Dome. Both were close games against very good teams. Both wins, 71-69, and 88-83. Sweater, Sweater. Damn it. I just realized that was 13 wins in a row. Not a lucky number.

The #2 Georgetown rematch promised to be the biggest regular season game in our history. Pre-internet, pre-stubhub, there were newspaper classified ads advertising ticket re-sales in the hundreds of dollars. #1 vs. #2, Ali vs. Frazier, MSG the perfect venue. The sweater was now a phenomenon, with t-shirt copies of Looie's ugly sweater sold to students. and fans. I can't write about this game with much detail because it is too painful, but what began as SJU fans elated with visions of sugarplums in our heads, crashed mightily. John Thompson, ever the intimidator, playfully (maybe) greeted Looie before the opening tap by flashing open his suit jacket to reveal a two sizes too small t-shirt version of the sweater. Whether jynx or not, the spell was broken. Georgetown, from the opening tip, raced out to an insurmountable first half lead, crushing us so thoroughly, that MSG felt more like a morgue. We were Frazier, but not even that much because Frazier fought valiantly. We were destroyed. You could almost hear Howard Cosell's voice, "And down goes St. John's, down goes St. John's."

The sweater was finished.

Unless someone tells me otherwise, the sweater story ends right there. 14 games, a great 13 game run, then just about the most devastating loss in our history. We whipped Villanova by 15 in the Big East semis, so much a mismatch that sitting in the Garden I actually felt bad for Nova, always a respected rival. the Big East finals was a 12 point loss to Georgetown. The NCAAs are etched in our memory. No need to repeat.

I wrote all this because over the past week, newer fans, and those who really didn't didn't follow our team back then, have been given a different impression of Looie's sweater. Seven hundred and twenty six games coached, 526 wins, and just 14 with the ugly sweater. Still emblematic of a great team and a great run in our best season, but really not much more.

Please feel free to correct any inaccuracies in this, and hope this was of value to reminisce.
Wow. Thanks for the amazing recap. I vaguely remember that year because I was pretty young, 8 (and funny enough, Jan 14 is my birthday), and was the year that made me a Johnnies fan. I’ve cursed the Mullin name so many times for doing that to me lol.
 
Bruin drove around Queens in a Trans Am back then and it was rumored it was a gift for picking Syracuse (my friends older brother was a friend of Bruin).


St. John’s got David Russell coming in the same year and got the better player.
David Russell is almost an afterthought when we discuss our greatest players. He was very, very good. Bruin, I believe, was more heralded than Russell coming out of hs. We did fine with Russell vs. Bruin

How would you rank these players : Russell, Willie Glass, Billy Goodwin, George Johnson?
 
David Russell is almost an afterthought when we discuss our greatest players. He was very, very good. Bruin, I believe, was more heralded than Russell coming out of hs. We did fine with Russell vs. Bruin

How would you rank these players : Russell, Willie Glass, Billy Goodwin, George Johnson?
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
 
I took a train to Syracuse for a game one year when Red Bruin (Mater Christi alum, like me) was there. He picked up his girlfriend in a quite nice Trans Am or something like that. Nice ride for a kid from Queensbridge...

Of course, he got into some trouble with the law after his college career but seems to be an okay guy now as a youth counselor in South Carolina.
Big time Syracuse booster Car Dealer, took car of the dirty work, through some Boys & Girls Club thing, plausible deniability for JB; all their players had fancy wheels.
 
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
 
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
George Johnson fierce inside.
David Russell our Luke Skywalker jump out of the gym
Billy Goodwin, our glue guy, guy every winning team needs
Willie Glass, another Skywalker, like Russell, but Russell more well rounded game, Glass boy could he sky for rebounds, put backs, alley ops, and dunks, move him 10 feet away from the basket not so much.
 
Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
Willie Glass an Atlantic City guy, I think eventually ran/owned peep shows, or x rated store in A. C.
 
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