RIP Coach Carnesecca

Yes Tony Bruin got that car from Syracuse Booster who owned Rapp Pontiac…that booster eventually got into major trouble with the NCAA as he also provided more illegal benefits.

I also remember that the Cuse players got monthly delivery of Ralph Loren clothing in their locker room. When the Pearl joined the team, he announced he had first dibs on clothing cause he was the star. That didn’t go,over well with the veterans in the locker room.
 
I also remember that the Cuse players got monthly delivery of Ralph Loren clothing in their locker room. When the Pearl joined the team, he announced he had first dibs on clothing cause he was the star. That didn’t go,over well with the veterans in the locker room.
I’ll take a wild guess and say Andre Hawkins was one of those veterans. 😀
Here’s a photo of Cuse at Alumni Hall from 1984.
Priceless expression on Lou’s face as he convened with Boeheim and ref.

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I took a train to Syracuse for a game one year when Red Bruin (Mater Christi alum, like me) was there. He picked up his girlfriend in a quite nice Trans Am or something like that. Nice ride for a kid from Queensbridge...

Of course, he got into some trouble with the law after his college career but seems to be an okay guy now as a youth counselor in South Carolina.

Bruin drove around Queens in a Trans Am back then and it was rumored it was a gift for picking Syracuse (my friends older brother was a friend of Bruin).

I went to see Lou after he committed to Syracuse to lament losing him and Lou’s response was “Hey, he can’t hurt us”.
St. John’s got David Russell coming in the same year and got the better player.
 
Over the past week, with Looie's passing, there have been a lot of articles and sports broadcasters who prominently mentioned "the sweater". Many of them got the premise all wrong. One article began, "Looie liked to wear sweaters." I think my recollection is accurate, so please help me here.

On January 14, 1985, the 11-1 Red Storm traveled to Pittsburgh to play the Pitt Panthers. We had already lost an away game to Niagara of all teams, which was a shocker. Still, Pitt, which finished 8-8 for fifth place in the Big East that year, was anything but a pushover. They had a star freshman, Charles Smith, as well as Demetrius Gore, and Curtis Aiken. This much fans can agree on: Looie had a cold, and his wife Mary, concerned for his health travelling in winter weather and playing in cold, drafty gyms, insisted he pack a sweater. Looie grabbed the first sweater he saw, an ugly one he never had worn, and departed for the game.

Looie, favored brown suits, a white shirt and tie, that looked anything but debonaire to begin with, but by mid game, was usually a crumpled mess. Jacket discarded, shirt sleeves rolled up, loosened tie always in the way, is how I remember Coach. That night, though, he wore the sweater over his shirt and tie instead.

The game result? We crushed Pitt 82-59. Five days later, we played #15 Boston College at BC, an even tougher away opponent. Looie, still nursing the cold, but also the superstitious leprechaun, wore the sweater again. This time, the result was a hard fought 66-59 victory. Four days later, an even even tougher opponent loomed ahead at MSG, #11 Syracuse, who always brought a lot of their fans to the Garden. Yep, now the sweater was now his rabbit's foot, presumable not washed. This time, an 82-80 overtime victory.

Three days later, on January 26 in Landover, our toughest opponent yet lay waiting, #1 ranked Georgetown Hoyas. This was to be a clash of titans, with senior Patrick Ewing, the best college basketball center in decades, arguably ever, anchoring the vaunted G'Town defense. David Wingate, Bill Martin, Reggie Williams, and Michael Jackson rounded out the starters. Their bench was deep, and nationally they were as well known as any NBA team. Looie wore his sweater, Berry and Mullin dominated, and the final score a 66-65 Johnnie's win was not nearly as close as indicated. The Hoyas finished with a furious flurry to close a double digit SJU lead.

Providence fell, UCONN (simply University of Connecticut then) fell, and Seton Hall also went down. Sweater, sweater, sweater.

The next big test was #19 Villanova at the Spectrum, on February 9th. The sweater was a no brainer, and the result an 70-68 hard fought win. (Ultimately went 3-0 against the eventual champion Wildcats).

Columbia, Pitt, and DePaul were whacked easily, and now the sweater was 11-0 and St. John's was #1.

Next up was #18 BC at home, and then #7 Syracuse at the Carrier Dome. Both were close games against very good teams. Both wins, 71-69, and 88-83. Sweater, Sweater. Damn it. I just realized that was 13 wins in a row. Not a lucky number.

The #2 Georgetown rematch promised to be the biggest regular season game in our history. Pre-internet, pre-stubhub, there were newspaper classified ads advertising ticket re-sales in the hundreds of dollars. #1 vs. #2, Ali vs. Frazier, MSG the perfect venue. The sweater was now a phenomenon, with t-shirt copies of Looie's ugly sweater sold to students. and fans. I can't write about this game with much detail because it is too painful, but what began as SJU fans elated with visions of sugarplums in our heads, crashed mightily. John Thompson, ever the intimidator, playfully (maybe) greeted Looie before the opening tap by flashing open his suit jacket to reveal a two sizes too small t-shirt version of the sweater. Whether jynx or not, the spell was broken. Georgetown, from the opening tip, raced out to an insurmountable first half lead, crushing us so thoroughly, that MSG felt more like a morgue. We were Frazier, but not even that much because Frazier fought valiantly. We were destroyed. You could almost hear Howard Cosell's voice, "And down goes St. John's, down goes St. John's."

The sweater was finished.

Unless someone tells me otherwise, the sweater story ends right there. 14 games, a great 13 game run, then just about the most devastating loss in our history. We whipped Villanova by 15 in the Big East semis, so much a mismatch that sitting in the Garden I actually felt bad for Nova, always a respected rival. the Big East finals was a 12 point loss to Georgetown. The NCAAs are etched in our memory. No need to repeat.

I wrote all this because over the past week, newer fans, and those who really didn't didn't follow our team back then, have been given a different impression of Looie's sweater. Seven hundred and twenty six games coached, 526 wins, and just 14 with the ugly sweater. Still emblematic of a great team and a great run in our best season, but really not much more.

Please feel free to correct any inaccuracies in this, and hope this was of value to reminisce.
Wow. Thanks for the amazing recap. I vaguely remember that year because I was pretty young, 8 (and funny enough, Jan 14 is my birthday), and was the year that made me a Johnnies fan. I’ve cursed the Mullin name so many times for doing that to me lol.
 
Bruin drove around Queens in a Trans Am back then and it was rumored it was a gift for picking Syracuse (my friends older brother was a friend of Bruin).


St. John’s got David Russell coming in the same year and got the better player.
David Russell is almost an afterthought when we discuss our greatest players. He was very, very good. Bruin, I believe, was more heralded than Russell coming out of hs. We did fine with Russell vs. Bruin

How would you rank these players : Russell, Willie Glass, Billy Goodwin, George Johnson?
 
David Russell is almost an afterthought when we discuss our greatest players. He was very, very good. Bruin, I believe, was more heralded than Russell coming out of hs. We did fine with Russell vs. Bruin

How would you rank these players : Russell, Willie Glass, Billy Goodwin, George Johnson?
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
 
I took a train to Syracuse for a game one year when Red Bruin (Mater Christi alum, like me) was there. He picked up his girlfriend in a quite nice Trans Am or something like that. Nice ride for a kid from Queensbridge...

Of course, he got into some trouble with the law after his college career but seems to be an okay guy now as a youth counselor in South Carolina.
Big time Syracuse booster Car Dealer, took car of the dirty work, through some Boys & Girls Club thing, plausible deniability for JB; all their players had fancy wheels.
 
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
 
1. George Johnson
2. David Russell
3. Billy Goodwin
4. Willie Glass

There should be no debate with that order.
George Johnson fierce inside.
David Russell our Luke Skywalker jump out of the gym
Billy Goodwin, our glue guy, guy every winning team needs
Willie Glass, another Skywalker, like Russell, but Russell more well rounded game, Glass boy could he sky for rebounds, put backs, alley ops, and dunks, move him 10 feet away from the basket not so much.
 
Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
Willie Glass an Atlantic City guy, I think eventually ran/owned peep shows, or x rated store in A. C.
 
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Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
I had the pleasure of having lunch with Willie, Walter and others at the post Mass luncheon. In that ECAC game, MJ went Christmas shopping in NYC and was late to UNC’s pregame meal. As punishment, Dean Smith sat MJ a minute for every minute he was late. That’s why he crushed us in the second half. Willie and MJ were not related at all.
 
I think if you add Mel Davis to the list, he would end up #1. In his two year, 54 game career at St. John's, he averaged 20.9 ppg, 16.4 rpg and 2.0 apg. I believe he was once quoted as saying that he had to wear seven pairs of sox to cushion his feet after he skied for a rebound.

To compare statistics, in his 117 game career, George Johnson averaged 15.1 ppg, 10.6 rpg and no apg.
 
Speaking of Glass, the other night I went down a you tube rabbit hole and stumbled across SJU v. UNC ECAC Holiday Festival game from 12/29/83. Great first half, UNC ended up pulling away and winning 64-51. Outrageous amount of talent on the floor. UNC started 4 NBA players including you know who and Matt Doherty. That was one season before my SJU consciousness truly kicked in (I was 8 at the time). Couple of takeaways for me were how Louie went with the freshman Mark Jackson over Mike Moses for long stretches when the game was close, that could have been based on matchups in that particular game but I had thought Moses was the alpha over Jackson (frequently to our detriment) for the entirety of their overlap. Was also surprised to see Bob Antonelli (!) get some run. Also, was fun to watch the freshman Glass try to guard MJ; I have always thought of Willie as in the elite tier of our best wing defenders ever, unfortunately and understandably there was not much he could do in this instance. Another "myth" in my mind ever since I was a little kid was that Willie was MJ's cousin. No clue where I picked that up; maybe it had something to do with the dunking lol. Does anybody know if that is actually true?
The story was that Willie and James Worthy were cousins but it turned out that Willie himself said they were good friends who everyone thought were cousins.

BTW Willie is my all-time favorite Johnny and it is not even close. I have a Glass jersey i wear to every SJU game
 
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