Zags: St. John's & Slice Part Ways

I also don't believe that this is as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Matt A. has been recruiting very well and also has the transfer avenue working very well with Owens, Simon and Clark. Let's see how this shakes out. I hope as Paultzman stated, that this moves along fairly quickly after all the details are finalized. Let's get this done ASAP and move on if this is how it has to be. As far as the Elite Camp is concerned, players are coming for Mullin and Richmond and not for Slice. Is there any chance Ed Pinckney comes now?
 
The timing of this news being released, the night before about 20 recruits visit campus, makes me suspect that this was leaked to Zags by either a competitor school/coach or someone in Slice's camp that may be bitter and aim to sabotage this thing today.
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Yeah, but Slice was never listed as a coach for the camp. Besides, do you think a bunch of 15-17 year old kids, or their coaches, are going to let this turn them off to the program?
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"Yeah I mean Mullin and Richmond are fine I guess but I really wanted to meet the guy who played the detective in Glengarry Glen Ross," said Naz Reid, huge David Mamet fan.

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Don't want to see Slice go but this further proves the point that all our eggs are in the Chris Mullin basket. He has to be the one to deliver...nobody else. What coach in D1 that has had success owes that success to his assistants? Not 1. They make the bed and sleep in it. The others are there for turndown service.
 
It's a loss, for sure, but whenever there's an article about a commit, and they're asked about their excitement for the program, Slice's name isn't in the discussion. They talk about playing under two HOF'ers, an original Dream Teamer, a program that can help them develop, etc. Maybe Slice was the one selling those points, but we haven't lost our allure just yet, and I believe the program still has a lot to offer. Plus, next year is our first year with a real roster. If we have another 8-win year, then maybe we get our pitchforks.

Pure conjecture: Slice came here thinking he would be the fat cat. When Mullin got all the praise, and when other staffers were tapped for jobs he thought would be his, he balked. This is Mullin's team. He is SJU's favorite son. Everyone will be in his shadow as long as Mullin is HC. I think Slice expected a little more spotlight and a little more clout, and Mullin wouldn't give in, as is his prerogative.
 
No way this can be spun into something positive. It was either a bad hire, or bad management of a problem that surfaced.

With a largely inexperienced staff, Richmond would be a foolish hire. It's lunacy to believe that building a top notch college program is based on a HOF player's resume or that it's an easy job. If that were the case, guys like Coach K wouldn't get paid a well deserved $5 million plus per season. A lot more people fail than succeed, and coaches typically rise to a certain level based on competence. There are a ton of guys not capable of being more than a D2 or D3 coach, and even more best suited to teach history and coach a HS team.

Get an experienced guy in here as an assistant.
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Stop making sense
 
A bunch of you guys have to take a step, take a breath, chill out and re-assess what you are saying.

The program is in great shape. We have a hall-of-fame head coach that we all love, another hall-of-fame basketball player as a coach of some capacity



Mullin and Richmond are in the Hall of fame as players. Ask any Knick fan how Hall of famer Isiah Thomas worked out. Or Houston how Clyde the Glide did. Just saying

Off to rough start hopefully things get better. And I think they will.
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How about Billy Donovan and Fred Hoiberg in the college ranks? And since you cited pro coaches, just from the Celtics you have Heinsohn, Bird, Russell and KC Jones.
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Those were crappy pros( Donovan, Hoiberg, ETC) which generally translate into good coaches more so than great players do. Was my only point. You can find way more examples of great players making bad coaches in all sports.
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And all this proves nothing because each case is different. So we agree to disagree on theory and agree to agree on wanting Chris to succeed.
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My only point is blind statement of Hall of Fame player does not mean he will succeed. I think / hope he will but again that is based on I liked watching him play. Like with almost everyone if he gets players I think he will be fine. This is why people are upset with Slice leaving.

My only problem with Mullin so far is we knew we would stink but the hope was the Lavin type drama would disappear. He really hasn't.
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(quote) Your wrong. Everyone knew Lovitts eligibility was questionable. So far everybody seems to have qualified. Nobody got suspended. Seems to be a nice group of kids. No off the court antics. And depth.
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Most employment contracts have a termination for cause clause - with no severance pay, a termination for no cause - with anywhere from 6 mos. to the term of the agreement. In the case of voluntary resignation, there is typically no severance. Only way SJU pays is if they asked him to leave. Considering Oliva is general counsel and AD, hopefully the university executed an agreement that makes sense, but with SJU you never know.

He must be pretty fed up to walk at this point in the off year where latching on to a top program will be difficult.
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Considering Oliva is both AD and the General Counsel that allowed this cluster fuck contract to be signed in the first place perhaps President Bobby should start keeping him on a shorter leash and seriously looking for an experienced AD.
 
What recruits was Slice the lead on that are on the roster/committed to come?
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It was a good hire on paper that did not work out; happens all the time. The only real ramification is it got all the coaching geniuses who could have turned last years roster into the Showtime Lakers another opportunity to bash Mullin and demand the immortal "X's and O's" coach that could turn anyone into John Wooden. We have a significantly improved roster and we shall see if that translates into W's; that's all that matters.
 
No surprise but Evan Daniels noted "Mitch Richmond is the frontrunner to replace Slice Rohrssen as an assistant at St. John's, per sources."
 
No surprise but Evan Daniels noted "Mitch Richmond is the frontrunner to replace Slice Rohrssen as an assistant at St. John's, per sources."
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Good. Richmond is a key piece in the recruiting pitch.
 
It's a loss, for sure, but whenever there's an article about a commit, and they're asked about their excitement for the program, Slice's name isn't in the discussion. They talk about playing under two HOF'ers, an original Dream Teamer, a program that can help them develop, etc. Maybe Slice was the one selling those points, but we haven't lost our allure just yet, and I believe the program still has a lot to offer. Plus, next year is our first year with a real roster. If we have another 8-win year, then maybe we get our pitchforks.

Pure conjecture: Slice came here thinking he would be the fat cat. When Mullin got all the praise, and when other staffers were tapped for jobs he thought would be his, he balked. This is Mullin's team. He is SJU's favorite son. Everyone will be in his shadow as long as Mullin is HC. I think Slice expected a little more spotlight and a little more clout, and Mullin wouldn't give in, as is his prerogative.
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i think if slice landed one big fish it would be a different story. Im sure if Thon Maker ( word of ties with slice ) signs here, we are not having this conversation. Now if slice does leave ( which i think will be a loss ) this is Mullys chance to get an up and coming coach who has some real abilities to help him.
 
No surprise but Evan Daniels noted "Mitch Richmond is the frontrunner to replace Slice Rohrssen as an assistant at St. John's, per sources."
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Good. Richmond is a key piece in the recruiting pitch.
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He is, no doubt, but he's already here and part of the pitch. I'd love to see some experience take that seat...but I also wouldn't want to hear that the fallout is we lose Richmond because he got passed over. In just one year, it was really hard to tell what kind of impact Slice had or was having. With Matt A grabbing the lionshare on the recruiting front, did we really need a second high profile recruiter, or are we better served with a stronger in-game, x's/o's coach?
 
It appears Mr. Slice was far better recruiting against SJU than he was recruiting for it.
Also, why give an assistant coach a six-year contract?
This buyout would make the buyout total at least five million, over the last twenty years.
 
Sense Mullin has known for a while what new staff will look like. Once details of buyout are resolved this in my opinion will evolve quickly. The Mainman comedy routine will then end. :)
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Doubt he is interested, but I would LOVE this! Definite value added.......we would undoubtedly win more games with PJ.

I am not so upset to lose Slice. However, I am disappointed that we are seemingly not entertaining an experienced coach. Once Slice walks, the lack of coaching experience on staff is alarming. No other way to spin it.
 
Ed Pinckney looked good wearing a St. John's cap a few months back.
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Zero chance of this happening .. In fact a lot of Nova people couldn't wait for him to leave.. It is going to be Richmond which sounds great from a name standpoint but adds nothing to the experience this staff needs.
 
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