Zags: St. John's & Slice Part Ways
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Props to Moose on this one. Never doubted him, but always hoped it would get worked out. This thing always had legs, fortunately this isn't high time in recruiting for us considering the next class ('17) is all but completed. Started with the Matt A tension, then St. Jean getting the lionshare of the shine during timeouts. This guy is a Bentley who probably felt he was being utilized like a jalopy. To quote our esteemed friend J cole, he was an LA sister that was treated like an LA hoe.
Too many chefs in the kitchen I suppose. Just hope it's not the wrong one leaving. Onward and upward.
Too many chefs in the kitchen I suppose. Just hope it's not the wrong one leaving. Onward and upward.
stjohnschris
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To me, it's not negative. All season, it was clear that something in the coaching hierarchy was not right. It wasn't working, so move on and waste no time, which is what's happening. I LOVE having Mitch Richmond in his current role, but I think we can do better for Slice's replacement. Would love to see us lure either Welsh or Gillen away from their TV gigs. Either one of those guys would add a lot to the sideline.
Big props to moose for sharing, taking the heat, and probably, based on my educated guess, not sharing all the info he had despite the fire he was taking. No wonder people share inside info w him.
There are various lead roles a member of the staff can play. It seems like as a first year college coach Mullin, in an effort to ensure success as much as possible, felt very strongly about bringing on a proven successful assistant who had head coaching experience and just happened to be a buddy from his high school days. As Mullin ran the program and filled out the staff, as you would imagine, he delegated as he perceived would be the best way to achieve success:
X and o guy went to ST jean.
Lead recruiter went to Matt (and with it perhaps some ability to offer/sign guys where slice was hoping they'd leave schollies open for long plays he was working on)
Confidant? Mitch.
This would have left our associate head coach as second fiddle pretty much everywhere which I am sure is not what he signed up for nor what Mullin originally envisioned, just how it shaked out.
In the house of white and red, slice was becoming no one.
But an assistant is someone.
Thanks for the year of hard work slice and best of luck.
There are various lead roles a member of the staff can play. It seems like as a first year college coach Mullin, in an effort to ensure success as much as possible, felt very strongly about bringing on a proven successful assistant who had head coaching experience and just happened to be a buddy from his high school days. As Mullin ran the program and filled out the staff, as you would imagine, he delegated as he perceived would be the best way to achieve success:
X and o guy went to ST jean.
Lead recruiter went to Matt (and with it perhaps some ability to offer/sign guys where slice was hoping they'd leave schollies open for long plays he was working on)
Confidant? Mitch.
This would have left our associate head coach as second fiddle pretty much everywhere which I am sure is not what he signed up for nor what Mullin originally envisioned, just how it shaked out.
In the house of white and red, slice was becoming no one.
But an assistant is someone.
Thanks for the year of hard work slice and best of luck.
Mullin screwed this up big time. He slighted the assistant coach with the most experience and who is the best recruiter. Mullin let St. Jean (no college experience) coach the team and Matt A. (basically a manager for Hoiberg) lead the recruiting. This is disastrous any way you look at it. I was willing to give Mullin a pass for two years but with our horrible first season and screwing the best coach on staff he gets an F.
ThaKid and Paultzman's conclusions make perfect sense.
we are sju
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Will add this disclaimer whenever I say something not pro Mullin:. He could lose every game and would never call for him to be fired. However has been a rough start and has nothing to do with the 8 wins last year. This is a bad look for the program. Listen I don't want to make Slice out to be more than he was but his potential recruiting was a main part of the optimism surrounding Mullin hire.
Letting a kid draw up plays and evidently siding with Matt over Slice are curious decisions from where I sit anyway.
Letting a kid draw up plays and evidently siding with Matt over Slice are curious decisions from where I sit anyway.
Yep. And it's not like he as been bashing the staff all year on the sites. Not everything has been going well behind the scenes and just because people like Moose and you mentioned it on the site doesn't mean you have an agenda like some might think who have blinders on too and think everything was perfect
SJU14
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Slice the best recruiter? He clearly hasn't shown that.
Slice the best coach on staff? His head coaching record isn't exactly good.
Matt A has landed all but one recruit that has suited up for us so far, so I wouldn't exactly underestimate him. Losing Slice definitely isn't positive for the program, but you're making it seem like we lost everything. Without Slice being on the staff the last year, our team actually looks the same right now.
TRabinowitz
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The timing of this news being released, the night before about 20 recruits visit campus, makes me suspect that this was leaked to Zags by either a competitor school/coach or someone in Slice's camp that may be bitter and aim to sabotage this thing today.
And so he left his job with the coach with whom he has a good relationship, on the top team in the country, to come home for a year, at a good ( if not great ) salary, to coach what he knew would be a terrible team for a few years. And then leaves after 1 year. Does not speak well for CM and casts more questions about whether this program can ever climb out of the abyss it's been in for 25 years.
A bunch of you guys have to take a step back, take a breath, chill out and reassess what you are saying.
The program is in great shape. We have a hall-of-fame head coach that we all love, another hall-of-fame basketball player as a coach of some capacity, an ace recruiter that is a graduate of the school that bleeds for the program, and a head of the university that is willing to invest big dollars in the program. We have an awesome recruiting class coming in, and an elite camp about to take place.
Sure, losing a staff member isn't welcome news, but like any business operation, especially one that is essentially a re-boot, there is bound to be some turnover. Every employee and boss has to do what they perceive is good for themselves and makes them happy. That leads to turnover. It's acceptable.
This program is currently in way better shape than we can all hardly remember.... years and years and years since our future looked so bright.
We're in a great spot. Enjoy it. I am.
The program is in great shape. We have a hall-of-fame head coach that we all love, another hall-of-fame basketball player as a coach of some capacity, an ace recruiter that is a graduate of the school that bleeds for the program, and a head of the university that is willing to invest big dollars in the program. We have an awesome recruiting class coming in, and an elite camp about to take place.
Sure, losing a staff member isn't welcome news, but like any business operation, especially one that is essentially a re-boot, there is bound to be some turnover. Every employee and boss has to do what they perceive is good for themselves and makes them happy. That leads to turnover. It's acceptable.
This program is currently in way better shape than we can all hardly remember.... years and years and years since our future looked so bright.
We're in a great spot. Enjoy it. I am.
Very disappointing. It always seems like a black cloud is hovering over this program. Not a good day when you lose one of the best recruiters in college basketball.
Maybe they should give Mike Rice Slice's spot on the staff. He can bring some of the kids from his loaded team with him.
Maybe they should give Mike Rice Slice's spot on the staff. He can bring some of the kids from his loaded team with him.
on the immediate surface sure this can be construed as bad, but honestly, once slice didnt reel in mustafa heron, which should have been a slam dunk in my opinion, especially with the timing of his decomittment to pitt i questioned what -slice's impact would be. still dont wanna see him go because long range potential was there once we started playing better on the court