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MarkRedman
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I agree about Nebraska but totally disagree about Rutgers. All of the recent Big Ten additions had everything to do with expanding into large market areas in order to increase the footprint of the Big Ten Network. Adding Rutgers and Maryland in 2014 gained them entry into the NYC and DMV area markets. Now, adding UCLA and USC gives them a presence in the LA market. All of them were genius moves and the member schools are making tons of TV network money as a result.
Adding Oregon and Washington would have been better for competitive reasons but they are much smaller markets than Rutgers and Maryland. It's all about the Benjamins these days!!
L J S A
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Is Rutgers football on TV every weekend in NYC? How about their basketball games? I'm not here for football season, but when I'm here for the holidays I don't recall seeing any Rutgers games.
Is the NYC market really going gaga over Rutgers sports? I know saying NYC is part of their conference footprint is a big deal, but how many eyeballs are really on that program?
L J S A
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People on social media are not only calling for Washington and Oregon, but also Stanford and Cal. How the hell is a conference with 20 teams actually going to function?
Fuck Syracuse.
While RU might not have done well in the Big Ten in football, they have in basketball and Imani many of the “non-revenue” sports. Big Ten is not regretting adding them or Maryland.
While I would love Gonzaga, the logistics are still a big problem especially for the ”non-revenue“ sports and before you say “what about the schools in the Big Ten”, let’s remember those schools for the most prt have much larger budgets and benefactors and actually draw money from some of the so-called non-revenue sports.
And while Duke and Cuse have bad football programs the cash they probably make is not going to draw away from the ACC which is a totally different story than UConn in the AAC. I don‘t see the ACC folding but could see a Clemson or an FSU or believe it or not UNC bolting for the SEC.
MarkRedman
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Virtually every Rutgers football and basketball game is broadcast on the Big Ten Network unless they are on network TV. You don't seem to understand that the Big Ten's formula for success was to pull in schools in every major TV market in order to maximize the number of households that would have access to the Big Ten Network.
While I don't have the stats, I would guess that the Big Ten Network is the most profitable college sports network in the nation due to their ingenious plan. Whie I agree that Oregon and Washington would be better fits in terms of competitiveness, Rutgers and Maryland are enabling them to have exposure to way more households. That's what maximizes TV revenue.
L J S A
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The Big 10 Network is probably available on every cable system in the country. I have it available for purchase on Comcast in Oakland, nowhere near any conference schools.
Are more people buying it for Rutgers sports than they would for Oregon sports? I find that hard to believe, regardless of how big NYC media market is compared to the Ducks' market, which is not limited to Portland. What percentage of the state roots for the Ducks? 75 percent?
I know Washington is firmly within Seattle media market, which is nothing to sneeze at. You don't think there'd be more viewership for UW sports than there would be for Rutgers?
MarkRedman
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The Big Ten Network was not available in the NY market until Rutgers joined the conference. The same applies to Maryland and the DMV market. If you want to argue with their strategy, be my guest. But, at the end of the day, they have been the most successful conference in terms of TV revenue.
This discussion has nothing to do with how many people watch Oregon vs. Rutgers or which school has more competitive teams. It has to do with how many households there are in the markets that those schools are located in. More people have cable TV in the NY area than in the Oregon area. Therefore, the Big Ten makes more money because many more people have access to the network and pay for it, whether they watch it or not.
L J S A
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Why would the discussion have nothing to do with how many people watch though? If you are charging a monthly fee for a service, it has everything to do with it, does it not? Having a footprint in a major market where people may not be paying for the service makes more sense than a smaller market where more people would be paying?
If it were a "free" part of every cable plan like C-Span or Cartoon Network, then the plan to get into big city markets makes perfect sense. But if you have to go out of your way to sign up and pay an extra $10(?) a month like my argument is assuming, then why wouldn't you want to be in a part of the country where more people are paying that $10 a month?
But hey, I would have taken BC over Rutgers, because I think Massachusetts + all the BC grads working and living in NYC would have been more valuable to the Big 10 in terms of network buys than Rutgers fans, so there's that.
Very interesting discussion guys. A couple of points. The Big 10 Network dwarfs the other college Networks in terms of size, viewership and revenue. It’s not even close.
Adding UCLA and USC right now has added emphasis. As mentioned, the LA market is added. Also, the Big 10 package is up for renewal. Pre additions, the price tag was expected to approach 1 billion dollars. Post acquisition, that number will blow through 1 billion. 1.5 has been mentioned. Not too shabby!!!
Adding UCLA and USC right now has added emphasis. As mentioned, the LA market is added. Also, the Big 10 package is up for renewal. Pre additions, the price tag was expected to approach 1 billion dollars. Post acquisition, that number will blow through 1 billion. 1.5 has been mentioned. Not too shabby!!!
The Big Ten Academic Alliance is an academic consortium of the 14 institutions that are members of the Big 10 Conference.
Don’t underestimate the academic prestige and advantages that the Big 10 membership brings to a member institution.
When considered collectively, BTAA universities educate over 605,000 students, including approximately 400,000 full-time undergraduate students and over 100,000 full-time graduate students. BTAA universities award 29% of all agriculture Ph.D.s, 18% of engineering Ph.D.s, and 18% of humanities Ph.D.s in the United States annually.
BTAA members, when viewed collectively, conducted a combined total of $9.8 billion in funded research and BTAA libraries own over 110 million volumes.
Collectively, BTAA members employ approximately 49,000 instructional staff.
The BTAA's collaborative efforts span the academic enterprise of its members, including:
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Don’t underestimate the academic prestige and advantages that the Big 10 membership brings to a member institution.
When considered collectively, BTAA universities educate over 605,000 students, including approximately 400,000 full-time undergraduate students and over 100,000 full-time graduate students. BTAA universities award 29% of all agriculture Ph.D.s, 18% of engineering Ph.D.s, and 18% of humanities Ph.D.s in the United States annually.
BTAA members, when viewed collectively, conducted a combined total of $9.8 billion in funded research and BTAA libraries own over 110 million volumes.
Collectively, BTAA members employ approximately 49,000 instructional staff.
The BTAA's collaborative efforts span the academic enterprise of its members, including:
- cooperative purchasing and licensing
- cooperative purchasing and licensing
- course sharing
- Professional development programs
- Library resources
- information technology
- international collaborations
- faculty networking
- participant in Google Books Library Project
Big Ten Academic Alliance - Wikipedia
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The NYC market could care less about RU football. But I’ve been told by people involved in that business that the Big 10 couldn’t care less about that. By adding RU, I was told that meant many of our local cable packages would carry the Big 10 network. I get it with my package along with the other sports networks that come - it isn’t a special add-on. And that’s exactly what the Big 10 wanted.
Play your division twice=12 games
Other division once=7 games
hahahahah.... hilarious part is I was... skipped addition... straight to Differential Geometry....See math was not your major.
Moon Mullen
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Kansas and Syracuse are a pipe dream.
Zags and Big East may have no other choice
Zags and Big East may have no other choice
Below is the link to an article by CBS”s Gary Parish who discusses how the consolidation of super conferences will effect NCAA college basketball and the sacred NCAA Tournament
Football drove USC and UCLA to the Big Ten, but could (eventually) mean big changes in college basketball, too
Super-conferences are on the way, raising the possibility the NCAA Tournament as we know it could be a thing of the past
www.cbssports.com
Football drove USC and UCLA to the Big Ten, but could (eventually) mean big changes in college basketball, too
Super-conferences are on the way, raising the possibility the NCAA Tournament as we know it could be a thing of the past
www.cbssports.com
braintrust
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Thanks, Otis...author gives NCAA hoops tourney ten years based on television contract. After that, is anyone's guess...Below is the link to an article by CBS”s Gary Parish who discusses how the consolidation of super conferences will effect NCAA college basketball and the sacred NCAA Tournament
Football drove USC and UCLA to the Big Ten, but could (eventually) mean big changes in college basketball, too
Super-conferences are on the way, raising the possibility the NCAA Tournament as we know it could be a thing of the past
The Big East has excellent demographics/markets, Fox Sports contract, we might end up as a "basketball only" division in one of these super conferences
Always and forever.