Westchester Community College issues-

Anyone can get beat on an isolated basis. Fraud happens and it's not always possible to uncover.

When it's happening with a frequency bordering on consistent either (1) an appropriate level of due diligence is not being done, or (2) risks are being taken that are not well-calculated.

At least one of those issues has become systemic here. I agreed with the strategy generally in year 1 - you have to take recruiting chances to level the playing field with the big boys when you're a new kid on the block. That we are still engaging that arena on some level in year 4 is unfortunate.

I don't even care about the direct results of the risks being taken. You have to be aggressive to recruit at the highest level when you're not Duke, and my eyes are wide open as to the many difficulties associated with that. It sounds blunt to put it this way, but at the end of the day we weren't getting a player better than Keith Thomas with that scholarship, so if he doesn't work out, for whatever reason, what's the downside?

The collateral damage. Dealing with this stuff every year is reputation damaging and places a stigma around the program. You think this dismissal just rolls right off the players' backs? It does not, they know as well as we do they just lost a player penciled in for starters' minutes at the 4. These types of distractions are draining, especially for a group of seniors who has had to deal with them every single year they've been here. It's not always their job to persevere. Sometimes they just shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense.

How about recruits? You think it makes players and their parents about to make an important life decision feel warm and cozy to be reminded that players at SJU get declared ineligible, suspended, or dismissed every year? It does not. Hopefully it doesn't preclude them from coming here, but it makes an already uphill battle that much more difficult for us.

A high-major D1 program is never going to be without issues. But we have got to stop having so many more than our fair share.
 
@TheBBallDiary: Hearing Westchester Community College basketball program has been suspended. #juco

Shocking!
 
This is so bitterly disappointing. Why does this kind of thing seem to happen over and over again? I would think someone would catch this sort of thing before we announce the recruit, saving a lot of egg on the face.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb
 
"@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb"

This isn't good news for Lavin.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb


And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

This is exactly what I have been posting the last 2 days. Schools knew the kid was dicey to make it when they started recruiting him in the spring.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

It is true. Multiple staffs inquired and saw his qualifying situation was dicey.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

It is true. Multiple staffs inquired and saw his qualifying situation was dicey.

At the end of the day, who else offered Thomas? I think Fordham, but did anyone else step up?
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

It is true. Multiple staffs inquired and saw his qualifying situation was dicey.

But he was cleared to play, by the NCAA. And surely they had to know that his transcripts were dicey. So Lavin rolls the dice with this kid because he has no other options. The kid is cleared by the NCAA. Blame Lavin all you want for not having other options, but at the end of the day a higher authority cleared the kid. Besides, unless I missed something, we still don't know why the kid was declared ineligible. Could be one class was doctored, or of course if could be similar to Walker situation. Just don't think we have enough info yet to say for certain that Lavin knew or should have known. This is really tough for me, I just not used to defending Lavin.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

It is true. Multiple staffs inquired and saw his qualifying situation was dicey.

But he was cleared to play, by the NCAA. And surely they had to know that his transcripts were dicey. So Lavin rolls the dice with this kid because he has no other options. The kid is cleared by the NCAA. Blame Lavin all you want for not having other options, but at the end of the day a higher authority cleared the kid. Besides, unless I missed something, we still don't know why the kid was declared ineligible. Could be one class was doctored, or of course if could be similar to Walker situation. Just don't think we have enough info yet to say for certain that Lavin knew or should have known. This is really tough for me, I just not used to defending Lavin.

He was cleared to play AFTER committing to St John's and being recruited by St John's. Lavin and staff offered him a scholarship and accepted his commitment before ever knowing if he would be cleared or not. It's not like SJU waited for NCAA to declare him as qualified before they recruited him.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

It is true. Multiple staffs inquired and saw his qualifying situation was dicey.

But he was cleared to play, by the NCAA. And surely they had to know that his transcripts were dicey. So Lavin rolls the dice with this kid because he has no other options. The kid is cleared by the NCAA. Blame Lavin all you want for not having other options, but at the end of the day a higher authority cleared the kid. Besides, unless I missed something, we still don't know why the kid was declared ineligible. Could be one class was doctored, or of course if could be similar to Walker situation. Just don't think we have enough info yet to say for certain that Lavin knew or should have known. This is really tough for me, I just not used to defending Lavin.

First, nothing has been said that ANY class/grade was doctored at all for Thomas.

This could just be CYA. A preemptive action by St Johns until the smoke clears with WCC. At this point there are no facts other than one assistant coach and two players. Only St John's has acted. NJCAA hasn't. NCAA hasn't.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who was recruiting Keith Thomas in spring said transcript was a mess when he saw it, and never offered as result. #sjubb

And now I take back my comments about Lavin having no culpability yesterday.

assuming that it was true and that the anonymous coach actually had any chance whatsoever of signing him rather than some anonymous agenda to take an easy shot anonymously against a recruiting rival with zero chance of being held accountable for it.

That's exactly how I took the quote from that particular coach, as well, Paul. It's easy to say such after the fact (whether, it's true or not).
 
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