Welcome Kadary Richmond!

[Amaseinyourface]

Well since most NCAA teams, and plenty of NBA teams, are starting 3 or even 4 guards nowadays that makes him a guard. The inability to shift thinking from old to new school is prevalent in us old folk.

Which is exactly why I said 3/4 and not power forward .

Point being I don’t see lineups where he would be considered the 2 or the second best ball handler of the group.

 

[austour]

Which is exactly why I said 3/4 and not power forward .

Point being I don’t see lineups where he would be considered the 2 or the second best ball handler of the group.

Actually you said you don't see him as a guard.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Actually you said you don't see him as a guard.

I don’t. But there are guards who play the 4 and there are SFs who play the 4. Nothing about him tells me he’s a 2.

 

[Wolfie]

From Zach: Kadary's 'fixable' shot:

Story on Kadary Richmond's 3-point shot, and Rick Pitino believing it is fixable: https://subtxt.to/8r1i

 

[KG44]

The fact that we are discussing options with modest differences tells me Rick has a group of wings/guards w the flexibility and length for most part he loves.

We worry about losing kids with so much depth and fact you can never keep everybody happy. That said the smart players will work extremely hard in off season to hit the ground running and practice their tails off. Competition for minutes will be fierce.

How deep do you guys see the rotation running? Eight or nine deep is about as far as I could see, but interested to get some thoughts.

As far as a core rotation, 8-10 early in the season. 8 later in the season.

 

[austour]

I don’t. But there are guards who play the 4 and there are SFs who play the 4. Nothing about him tells me he’s a 2.

Oh so what you're saying is that even if there's 4 guards on the court, two of them aren't playing guard, they're playing other positions. For that discussion please revert to my comment about seeing today's game with yesterday's eyes. If people can't get away from putting every lineup in a PG-SG-SF-PF-C pigeon hole then they're just not as evolved as the game is.

For evidence I submit Rick's comment's in today's press about positionless basketball.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Oh so what you're saying is that even if there's 4 guards on the court, two of them aren't playing guard, they're playing other positions. For that discussion please revert to my comment about seeing today's game with yesterday's eyes. If people can't get away from putting every lineup in a PG-SG-SF-PF-C pigeon hole then they're just not as evolved as the game is.

For evidence I submit Rick's comment's in today's press about positionless basketball.

I really can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing. I’m the last person to pigeon hole positions.

I see plenty of scenerioes where glover is on the court with multiple “guards” who are more capable of defending smaller players than him and can attack and playmake better.
Think:
Smith
Wilcher
Kadary
Glover (“4”)
zuby

Or:
Smith
Wilcher
Glover (“3”)
Scott
Zuby

I don’t see him being the “2” with a 3 and 4 who are less capable at those areas than him.
Think:
Smith
Glover (“2”)
Dunlap
Scott
Zuby

 

[Amaseinyourface]

The fact that we are discussing options with modest differences tells me Rick has a group of wings/guards w the flexibility and length for most part he loves.

We worry about losing kids with so much depth and fact you can never keep everybody happy. That said the smart players will work extremely hard in off season to hit the ground running and practice their tails off. Competition for minutes will be fierce.

How deep do you guys see the rotation running? Eight or nine deep is about as far as I could see, but interested to get some thoughts.

If we fill the front court spot with a forward I see at least 9 guys averaging double digit minutes. If the add is capable of splitting time at the 4/5 then that could mean Vince doesn’t get double digits. We had 9 guys in double digits last year with wilcher at 10th win 9.1.

4 transfers in
5. Luis
6. Zuby
7. Wilcher
8. Dunlap
9. PF

 

[KG44]

Oh so what you're saying is that even if there's 4 guards on the court, two of them aren't playing guard, they're playing other positions. For that discussion please revert to my comment about seeing today's game with yesterday's eyes. If people can't get away from putting every lineup in a PG-SG-SF-PF-C pigeon hole then they're just not as evolved as the game is.

For evidence I submit Rick's comment's in today's press about positionless basketball.

RP also talked about needing a PF, so positions are not totally irrelevant in RP’s mind. To make an analogy, it’s like in football where you have a base defense, and then subpackages. Our base lineup will be PG-SG-SF-PF-C a certain percentage of the time, probably to start games. Then we will have small lineups, maybe with Luis, Scott or even Dunlap at the 4. Maybe an even smaller lineup with our tallest player being 6’7. What percentage of each, I have no idea.

 

[L J S A]

Wouldn’t surprise me if Dayton had more NIL$ than Seton Hall. Didn’t Seton Hall spurn Posh last year? I can see why he wouldn’t want to come this year.

Holmes was supposedly up in the mid-800s this past season, so there's definitely nice money for their stars.

 

[bamafan]

Holmes was supposedly up in the mid-800s this past season, so there's definitely nice money for their stars.

Speaking of Holmes and Dayton and early “rumors” he might transfer here-we got Scott from N Texas, Smith from Utah had we gotten Holmes would have meant we got a transfer from all 3 teams we played in the Charleston Classic. 2 of 3 still ain’t bad making the Tournament even bigger for us than we knew at the time.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Speaking of Holmes and Dayton and early “rumors” he might transfer here-we got Scott from N Texas, Smith from Utah had we gotten Holmes would have meant we got a transfer from all 3 teams we played in the Charleston Classic. 2 of 3 still ain’t bad making the Tournament even bigger for us than we knew at the time.

So you’re already predicting a VJ Edgecombe home coming next portal season?

 

[bamafan]

So you’re already predicting a VJ Edgecombe home coming next portal season?

And PG Zeigler from Tennessee! Ziegler and VJ can replace Smith and Richmond to form our next stellar backcourt.

 

[austour]

Oh so what you're sayi

RP also talked about needing a PF, so positions are not totally irrelevant in RP’s mind. To make an analogy, it’s like in football where you have a base defense, and then subpackages. Our base lineup will be PG-SG-SF-PF-C a certain percentage of the time, probably to start games. Then we will have small lineups, maybe with Luis, Scott or even Dunlap at the 4. Maybe an even smaller lineup with our tallest player being 6’7. What percentage of each, I have no idea.

Yeah, I think the base will change at times and depends on the quality of the PF pick up but I wouldn't be surprised to see more PG-SG-WG-SF-C lineups against teams that don't start 2 bigs since I think that will allow the best players on the floor.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I understand the fervor of our fans about bringing Richmond on board but , expecting him to be a huge upgrade over last year’s team is a bit over the top .
Kadary averaged a little over 15 points a game , about 7 rebounds and 5 assists. He was named to the All BE 1st team and rightly so.

But , our great PG Jenkins , named to 2 nd team All BE , averaged 14 points plus , about 4 rebounds and 5 assists per game .

Richmond is bigger than Jenkins for sure and will fit on our team .
Jenkins shot 46 percent from 2 pt field goal range last season and was basically Pitino on the Court . Jenkins is a better mid range shooter than Kadary and his leadership will be missed.

So , for all intents and purposes getting Richmond is basically a push replacing Jenkins .

RP had Jenkins for 2 years , 1 at Iona and 1 here . Throughout the season , Pitino could not have been more effusive about the play of Jenkins .

Kadary was first team big east. No disrespect to Jenkins at all but Kadary is better

 

[Marillac2]

Actually you said you don't see him as a guard.

He’s not…yet.

 

[Marillac2]

Kadary was first team big east. No disrespect to Jenkins at all but Kadary is better

They aren’t even on the same planet.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Yeah, I think the base will change at times and depends on the quality of the PF pick up but I wouldn't be surprised to see more PG-SG-WG-SF-C lineups against teams that don't start 2 bigs since I think that will allow the best players on the floor.

This is exactly what I’m seeing. “WG” is semantics. Do you see any lineups where glover is the “2”? I don’t see him being in the 1-2 rotation. 3-4 all the way.

 

[austour]

This is exactly what I’m seeing. “WG” is semantics. Do you see any lineups where glover is the “2”? I don’t see him being in the 1-2 rotation. 3-4 all the way.

No I don't but WG is not semantics. You can call it positionless basketball or admit that when they show a starting lineup on TV with G-G-G-G-F they're telling the truth. I'm not sure I saw more than 10 of lineups shows as GGFFC on TV all year. And to Marillac's point Glover has alternately been listed as a SG and SF by various services. Once thing we can all agree is he'll never be a PG, at least not based on what I've read of him so far.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

No I don't but WG is not semantics. You can call it positionless basketball or admit that when they show a starting lineup on TV with G-G-G-G-F they're telling the truth. I'm not sure I saw more than 10 of lineups shows as GGFFC on TV all year. And to Marillac's point Glover has alternately been listed as a SG and SF by various services. Once thing we can all agree is he'll never be a PG, at least not based on what I've read of him so far.

Have you ever seen one say WG?