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[lawmanfan]

Obviously you have a opinion . We all do . But , anointing Marillac a proxy on Jenkins vs Richmond is puzzling .
Although your inference is that no comparison is realistic .
I wonder if you cornered Pitino on the comparison what he would say? Of course , he won’t do that in public .
They are different players for sure . Jenkins a leader on/ off the Court .
Richmond , MiA for 3 games .. not leadership material in my book .
He’s a very good player . Of that there is no doubt .
But , Smith will be the Leader of next year’s team , not Richmond .

It wasn't so much an "inference" as clear statement that there is no comparison between the two players. Richmond is a guy who plays defense, contributes in multiple ways, and makes everyone one around him better. Jenkins is a one-dimensional guy who plays no defense and is just good enough to think he's good and as a result make everyone around him worse.

As for Pitino, I don't pay attention to 95% of what he says because 95% of it is just words. But what did he spend on Jenkins vs what he spent on Richmond? If you gave him truth serum what he would tell you is that he grabbed Jenkins as a stopgap because he was starting with no roster and wanted a guy who knew his system. Very different from his dogged pursuit and wooing of Richmond.

As for who the "leader" of the team is next year ... Squirrel!

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

It wasn't so much an "inference" as clear statement that there is no comparison between the two players. Richmond is a guy who plays defense, contributes in multiple ways, and makes everyone one around him better. Jenkins is a one-dimensional guy who plays no defense and is just good enough to think he's good and as a result make everyone around him worse.

As for Pitino, I don't pay attention to 95% of what he says because 95% of it is just words. But what did he spend on Jenkins vs what he spent on Richmond? If you gave him truth serum what he would tell you is that he grabbed Jenkins as a stopgap because he was starting with no roster and wanted a guy who knew his system. Very different from his dogged pursuit and wooing of Richmond.

As for who the "leader" of the team is next year ... Squirrel!

I like Mean Gene’s review on Jenkins - Richmond to be more objective than yours.

I do not doubt Richmond’s ability . But , I question his commitment to teammates and school . And, maybe that’s a by product of the current chaos of the NIL era
Few here have challenged his 3 game MiA from the Hall during a season where they were competing for a NCAA bid .

You and Marillac disparage Jenkins performance on a Team of limited talent in comparison to the other BE teams . He was the designated straw that RP selected .

Admittedly I did not see as many SH games as SJ games but , never thought Richmond was substantially better than Jenkins . Better in rebounding ? Sure , he’s taller . Better shooter ? Nah . Better scorer ? A push .

I hope you and others are right that Richmond will deliver all the goodies bestowed on him . We will see in November and beyond .

Jenkins stop gap ? Was Clayton jr stop gap too? Pitino wanted both , equally . Can’t deny that .

This year’s NIL is the first time the$$$$ blew up to the ridiculous levels .
Here’s a question for you , would RP have chased Richmond if Jenkins had another year ?

Interesting .

 

[logen]

It wasn't so much an "inference" as clear statement that there is no comparison between the two players. Richmond is a guy who plays defense, contributes in multiple ways, and makes everyone one around him better. Jenkins is a one-dimensional guy who plays no defense and is just good enough to think he's good and as a result make everyone around him worse.

As for Pitino, I don't pay attention to 95% of what he says because 95% of it is just words. But what did he spend on Jenkins vs what he spent on Richmond? If you gave him truth serum what he would tell you is that he grabbed Jenkins as a stopgap because he was starting with no roster and wanted a guy who knew his system. Very different from his dogged pursuit and wooing of Richmond.

As for who the "leader" of the team is next year ... Squirrel!

Says something to me about Pitino that he pursued so hard and overpaid for a quitter. Proclaiming someone who likely cost his teammates a tourney berth because of his greed a player who makes his teammates better is comical IMO, but we all are entitled to our views.
I’ll take a Jenkins any day of the week over someone who lacks character. I acknowledge Richmond is a talented player which is more than you guys are willing to do with Jenkins. Funny how Richmond made players better, Jenkins made them worse but Jenkins averaged slightly more assists than Richmond and less TOs. And the idea that Jenkins played no defense shows how ridiculous your opinion of him is. In my opinion.
Finally, the comment the poster provided about the assistant coach commenting about how Smith would react if Richmond tried any of his nonsense here spoke volumes as to what is known inside basketball circles as to what went on with him.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Says something to me about Pitino that he pursued so hard and overpaid for a quitter. Proclaiming someone who likely cost his teammates a tourney berth because of his greed a player who makes his teammates better is comical IMO, but we all are entitled to our views.
I’ll take a Jenkins any day of the week over someone who lacks character. I acknowledge Richmond is a talented player which is more than you guys are willing to do with Jenkins. Funny how Richmond made players better, Jenkins made them worse but Jenkins averaged slightly more assists than Richmond and less TOs. And the idea that Jenkins played no defense shows how ridiculous your opinion of him is. In my opinion.
Finally, the comment the poster provided about the assistant coach commenting about how Smith would react if Richmond tried any of his nonsense here spoke volumes as to what is known inside basketball circles as to what went on with him.

A outstanding and accurate post ! Kudos Logen !

 

[austour]

Says something to me about Pitino that he pursued so hard and overpaid for a quitter. Proclaiming someone who likely cost his teammates a tourney berth because of his greed a player who makes his teammates better is comical IMO, but we all are entitled to our views.
I’ll take a Jenkins any day of the week over someone who lacks character. I acknowledge Richmond is a talented player which is more than you guys are willing to do with Jenkins. Funny how Richmond made players better, Jenkins made them worse but Jenkins averaged slightly more assists than Richmond and less TOs. And the idea that Jenkins played no defense shows how ridiculous your opinion of him is. In my opinion.
Finally, the comment the poster provided about the assistant coach commenting about how Smith would react if Richmond tried any of his nonsense here spoke volumes as to what is known inside basketball circles as to what went on with him.

I agree, there's a misconception that playing bad defense = playing no defense, and that is just not the case.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

I agree, there's a misconception that playing bad defense = playing no defense, and that is just not the case.

I would admit that , maybe , it’s maybe that I didn’t see Jenkins Defense as critically as did Marillac or Lawman . But to say “ no defense “is a ridiculous statement .. in my opinion . Every player get beat off the dribble on occasion . Even Richmond did.
And , Marillacs views on Jenkins entire game are suspect , to say the least .Many , Man posters on here disagree with Marillac

He repeated that commentary all season and as we know if you repeat things long enough , even untruths or just personal opinion , others do tend to jump on bandwagons . . Even more so , if the 2 in question are friendly off site .

And , one would have to believe with RP being such a fanatic about Defense that he would tolerate Jenkins being a “ bad defender or no defender ,” for over 2 years hardly makes any sense at all .

 

[KG44]

I agree, there's a misconception that playing bad defense = playing no defense, and that is just not the case.

I love the Kadaary addition, brings great versatility and is a facilitator, but I don’t think he is a great one on one defender. I mean as an on the ball, keep your guy in front of you type of drfender, especially at PG. He’s not the fastest. Reminds me of Kyle Anderson. I rewatched numerous games, and he often played D on the wing. More of a “disruptive” defender, help defense, jumping passing lanes for steals. Often makes it tough for him to close out on the 3 because he is often out of position. That said, I tgink RP’s match up zone is perfect for him, with Smith as the primary on the ball defender.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

I love the Kadaary addition, brings great versatility and is a facilitator, but I don’t think he is a great one on one defender. I mean as an on the ball, keep your guy in front of you type of drfender, especially at PG. He’s not the fastest. Reminds me of Kyle Anderson. I rewatched numerous games, and he often played D on the wing. More of a “disruptive” defender, help defense, jumping passing lanes for steals. Often makes it tough for him to close out on the 3 because he is often out of position. That said, I tgink RP’s match up zone is perfect for him, with Smith as the primary on the ball defender.

Agree . Also , Richmond is a legit 6’6” player and at that size he can disrupt some of the passing lanes with his length .

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I love the Kadaary addition, brings great versatility and is a facilitator, but I don’t think he is a great one on one defender. I mean as an on the ball, keep your guy in front of you type of drfender, especially at PG. He’s not the fastest. Reminds me of Kyle Anderson. I rewatched numerous games, and he often played D on the wing. More of a “disruptive” defender, help defense, jumping passing lanes for steals. Often makes it tough for him to close out on the 3 because he is often out of position. That said, I tgink RP’s match up zone is perfect for him, with Smith as the primary on the ball defender.

Cole who does the podcast with me made the same Anderson comparison. I can see it, though I think Anderson’s slow style is as much about his own athletic limitations as it is his approach. Kadary on the other hand, has a similar ‘lull you to sleep’ style, but is much more gifted athletically IMO.

Also worth mention; all 3 of Kadaray’s coaches so far havnt exactly been fast pace guys.

 

[Marillac2]

I would admit that , maybe , it’s maybe that I didn’t see Jenkins Defense as critically as did Marillac or Lawman . But to say “ no defense “is a ridiculous statement .. in my opinion . Every player get beat off the dribble on occasion . Even Richmond did.
And , Marillacs views on Jenkins entire game are suspect , to say the least .Many , Man posters on here disagree with Marillac

He repeated that commentary all season and as we know if you repeat things long enough , even untruths or just personal opinion , others do tend to jump on bandwagons . . Even more so , if the 2 in question are friendly off site .

And , one would have to believe with RP being such a fanatic about Defense that he would tolerate Jenkins being a “ bad defender or no defender ,” for over 2 years hardly makes any sense at all .

He was a terrible defender. He was completely lost on pick and rolls — often defending nobody. He hid that by hustling and moving nonstop. He couldn’t keep a fire hydrant in front of him.

By the end of the season, I felt Dingle was the better defender and that is coming from the poster that labeled Dingles’s defense at Penn “nonexistent” when he committed.

Richmond is on a completely different planet.

Feel free to disagree, but try to do so in under 250 words.

 

[KG44]

Agree . Also , Richmond is a legit 6’6” player and at that size he can disrupt some of the passing lanes with his length .

I think that is right. Great anticipation and basketball IQ. He is a very good team defender.

 

[austour]

I would admit that , maybe , it’s maybe that I didn’t see Jenkins Defense as critically as did Marillac or Lawman . But to say “ no defense “is a ridiculous statement .. in my opinion . Every player get beat off the dribble on occasion . Even Richmond did.
And , Marillacs views on Jenkins entire game are suspect , to say the least .Many , Man posters on here disagree with Marillac

He repeated that commentary all season and as we know if you repeat things long enough , even untruths or just personal opinion , others do tend to jump on bandwagons . . Even more so , if the 2 in question are friendly off site .

And , one would have to believe with RP being such a fanatic about Defense that he would tolerate Jenkins being a “ bad defender or no defender ,” for over 2 years hardly makes any sense at all .

There weren't many options other than Jenkins on either end of the court in the program last year, no doubt he was team MVP, warts and all. And FWIW I feel like I've spent half my life watching STJ guards get blown by at will. So it's not just DJ.

 

[austour]

I love the Kadaary addition, brings great versatility and is a facilitator, but I don’t think he is a great one on one defender. I mean as an on the ball, keep your guy in front of you type of drfender, especially at PG. He’s not the fastest. Reminds me of Kyle Anderson. I rewatched numerous games, and he often played D on the wing. More of a “disruptive” defender, help defense, jumping passing lanes for steals. Often makes it tough for him to close out on the 3 because he is often out of position. That said, I tgink RP’s match up zone is perfect for him, with Smith as the primary on the ball defender.

Yeah I agree, KR would get smoked by most PG's. Good thing he won't be guarding any. SloMo2? Maybe. I was watching the game last night and decided to google KA's career earnings. $60mill. Not bad for a guy that didn't live up to half his expectations in college or pros. Hearkening back to the Felipe discussion in the other thread.

 

[KG44]

Cole who does the podcast with me made the same Anderson comparison. I can see it, though I think Anderson’s slow style is as much about his own athletic limitations as it is his approach. Kadary on the other hand, has a similar ‘lull you to sleep’ style, but is much more gifted athletically IMO.

Also worth mention; all 3 of Kadaray’s coaches so far havnt exactly been fast pace guys.

My comparison was intended to be more positive than negative. Slo-Mo was a great PG in HS and college. He has turned into a nice pro as a point forward. I think Kadary has similar court vision and basketball IQ. I am not convinced on Kadary's athleticism yet, but no issue with saying that he is much more athletically gifted than Slo-Mo.

 

[lawmanfan]

He was a terrible defender. He was completely lost on pick and rolls — often defending nobody. He hid that by hustling and moving nonstop. He couldn’t keep a fire hydrant in front of him.

By the end of the season, I felt Dingle was the better defender and that is coming from the poster that labeled Dingles’s defense at Penn “nonexistent” when he committed.

Richmond is on a completely different planet.

Feel free to disagree, but try to do so in under 250 words.

Dingle also could not defend at the high D1 level.

Agree with KG44 - Richmond can't defend quick guards in the open court, but other than that presents major defensive advantages including IQ, length and strength. From a tempo standpoint he's been an odd fit all along as I've previously posted, and I understand the character concerns, but he's a heckuva player, completely different level from anyone in last year's backcourt.

 

[MattyHoops]

He was a terrible defender. He was completely lost on pick and rolls — often defending nobody. He hid that by hustling and moving nonstop. He couldn’t keep a fire hydrant in front of him.

By the end of the season, I felt Dingle was the better defender and that is coming from the poster that labeled Dingles’s defense at Penn “nonexistent” when he committed.

Richmond is on a completely different planet.

Feel free to disagree, but try to do so in under 250 words.

Daniss with big advantage over Dingle in DRTG and Defensive Win Shares. Kardary would have been the best defender on last year's squad using those same metrics.

 

[hardytime]

Daniss with big advantage over Dingle in DRTG and Defensive Win Shares. Kardary would have been the best defender on last year's squad using those same metrics.

I'm not the biggest "metrics" guy, but I've seen different articles touting Richmond's defensive prowess based on the various metrics they use to evaluate that stuff.

 

[Rocket]

He was a terrible defender. He was completely lost on pick and rolls — often defending nobody. He hid that by hustling and moving nonstop. He couldn’t keep a fire hydrant in front of him.

By the end of the season, I felt Dingle was the better defender and that is coming from the poster that labeled Dingles’s defense at Penn “nonexistent” when he committed.

Richmond is on a completely different planet.

Feel free to disagree, but try to do so in under 250 words.

You should recuse yourself from ANY discussions about Daniss Jenkins as you were dead wrong with every single observation about him from the season opener to the final game.
You beat that dead horse so please don't get involved in the resurrection of the DJ discussion.
So that even you can understand let me say in plain English that Daniss Jenkins was the MVP of last years team without whose Alpha dog play, the team would have collectively crapped the bed.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

It wasn't so much an "inference" as clear statement that there is no comparison between the two players. Richmond is a guy who plays defense, contributes in multiple ways, and makes everyone one around him better. Jenkins is a one-dimensional guy who plays no defense and is just good enough to think he's good and as a result make everyone around him worse.

I’ll take Richmond over Jenkins every time. But the “one dimensional” player had a better FG%, 2fg%, 3FG%, ft%, and averaged more assists with fewer turnovers.

Jenkins college career is over. There is no more projecting what he might or might not do. And what he did was have a freaking great season that could absolutely be discussed along the season that Kadary had. One was first team, the other second team.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Dingle also could not defend at the high D1 level.

Agree with KG44 - Richmond can't defend quick guards in the open court, but other than that presents major defensive advantages including IQ, length and strength. From a tempo standpoint he's been an odd fit all along as I've previously posted, and I understand the character concerns, but he's a heckuva player, completely different level from anyone in last year's backcourt.

I think we all hope that KR will be the $ 1 million dollar player Pitino thinks he is .

I and other fans will hold him to a very high standard next season