Welcome back Julian!

Not an alum post=427863 said:
This is a very nice thing. Sending guys to the NBA is a huge selling point for recruits. Come on now 

Not that I would fault him but his best shot to make and stick would be after another year or 2
And I guess you were kidding but having a kid get drafted in 2nd round and play in G league or whatever it is called is not a recruiting selling point.
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I think we’re all in agreement w what u said regarding the g league etc but him testing the waters for feedback isn’t a bad thing. He’s not gone by any stretch. 
 
My opinion on this is simple.  I would never ever fault a kid who left early even if I honestly thought it was a mistake.  That is not for me to say.  If the kid comes back and gets hurt seriously which one of us is going to financially support him?  Which one of us gets hurt by that?  

Let's be honest the overwhelming reason most of us want player X to come back is for purely selfish reasons.  We have little to no skin in the game.  Our lives would not be altered one bit if God forbid he came back and got hurt.  But his would.
 
Paultzman post=427837 said:
As expected;

Julian Champagnie made the expected official on Thursday afternoon: He’s going to test the NBA Draft waters.The St. John’s sophomore will go through the evaluation process, along with his twin brother Justin, who made his own announcement on Tuesday.

Champagnie isn’t on any mock draft lists, but an NBA scout told The Post he believes Champagnie would likely be a second-round selection if he kept his name in the draft.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/st-johns-julian-champagnie-will-test-nba-draft-waters/
Zach B
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That's the same thing 200 other kids are hearing as well.  I follow the NBA draft every single year, and rarely do you see a kid that's not listed on a single mock draft site get drafted.   Yet, you see kids all the time projected to be 2nd rounder on a few mock draft sites not drafted at all.  Those scouts that tell those kids that seem to forget only 60 kids will be drafted out of the hundreds that put their name in.
 
If he was my son, I would have him 'test the waters' to gain more information.  I do not think he is a first round pick this year, but absolutely think he could be next year.  I would like him to come back (yes, a bit selfishly because i think we could have a very good team next year with him).  I also think he needs to build himself up (upper body strength) to compete in the NBA.
 
fordham96 post=427868 said:
My opinion on this is simple.  I would never ever fault a kid who left early even if I honestly thought it was a mistake.  That is not for me to say.  If the kid comes back and gets hurt seriously which one of us is going to financially support him?  Which one of us gets hurt by that?  

Let's be honest the overwhelming reason most of us want player X to come back is for purely selfish reasons.  We have little to no skin in the game.  Our lives would not be altered one bit if God forbid he came back and got hurt.  But his would.
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Is there a reason any of us follow college basketball that isn’t a selfish one?
 
I really liked his statement. Very mature.

I'd also bet he comes back but wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't. He clearly has areas of his game that need work but I also feel the intangibles that we really like about Julian (maturity, consistency, track record of improvement, etc) are things that are valued on the NBA level as well. I can totally see a team falling in love with him and guaranteeing they'd use a 2nd on him. If a couple of teams tell you that, who knows what happens no matter what he's saying now. He's smart and surrounded by good people who will let him know that a lot of guys who were probably assured by teams they'd be the 2nd round pick had a disappointing draft night and never really got a fair shake in the league. See Shamorie Ponds. What would his career look like if he had stayed his senior season and potentially played himself up into the 1st round or even safely (which is not 2 or 3 "guarantees") into the 2nd?
 
LOL perhaps.  I was thinking of when Angel Delgado decided to come back to SHU.  Indications were he was gone and was going to sign with an agent and he did a 180 at the last minute and decided to come back.

I remember arguing with a SHU fan before Delgado changed his mind, who insisted that Delgado was making a "big mistake."  "He's not ready..he can improve his draft status if he comes back..etc"  All the common arguments.  The initial question was "How would the average fan truly know the answer to those questions?" but the more important question is "Let's say he comes back and has a serious injury besides wishing him a speedy recovery what are you going to do for him?"  Are you going to donate your salary?  Pay his medical bills?

All I am saying is as fans of course we are entitle to our opinions.  But these kids owe us NOTHING....And with that my attitude is if Julian feels he is ready regardless of how I feel he should do what is in the best interest of Julian Champagnie and no one else.
fordham96 post=427868 wrote: My opinion on this is simple.  I would never ever fault a kid who left early even if I honestly thought it was a mistake.  That is not for me to say.  If the kid comes back and gets hurt seriously which one of us is going to financially support him?  Which one of us gets hurt by that?  

Let's be honest the overwhelming reason most of us want player X to come back is for purely selfish reasons.  We have little to no skin in the game.  Our lives would not be altered one bit if God forbid he came back and got hurt.  But his would.
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Is there a reason any of us follow college basketball that isn’t a selfish one?
 
 I don't think anyone would expect or argue that a kid who can be a first round draft pick should come back to school even though it would obviously benefit St. John's team and indirectly it's fans. When it's more like a possible or likely 2nd round pick there's a lot of conflicting examples as to what is better for the kid and it's understandable that both the school and its fans would hope the kid returns for another year to improve his draft status. It doesn't make them selfish or bad people, just fans. If the kid decides to jump (perhaps in part because he doesn't want to risk injury in college) most posters would wish him well and thank him for his contributions at St. John's.  
 
Amazing. 
A lightly-recruited CHSAA player bursts onto the national spotlight at St. John's and is now testing the NBA waters. 
What a sweeping two-year development for Julian. 
That's both a testament to Julian and the entire SJU staff.
Would love to have him back for a chance to cut down a net or two. 
 
Julian absolutely should test the waters and get feedback.  That's what the process is for and any kid in his position should do that.  It is wasteful not to.

Do I personally think he should return for his own basketball development?  Absolutely, because I think he's the type who can improve at the college level in areas of weakness and help maximize his NBA draft position.  But, to Fordham's point, I never cast shade on anyone who wants to start being a professional.  We don't know their lives, goals or situation.

Many kids benefit from coming back.  Some, not so much.  I think Angel Delgado hurt himself by returning his senior year.  He had nothing to gain basketball-wise (if he wanted a degree, that's different).  Willard seems to be able to keep kids like him and even Powell longer perhaps than they should have stayed (Powell's stock IMO was better after his junior year than senior season, when he was hurt and not as good).  My guess is Willard has a file on them somewhere with damning information that he threatens to deploy if they leave before he blesses it, LOL.  Tiny gave him this idea.  He couldn't use it on Whitehead because IW would have spilled the beans on the entire "arrangement" and brought Willard down, but it's fair game for others.
 
Look at Myles Powell and Marcus Howard.  They are basketball irrelevant now.

Does Julian really want to take that chance when he has a Big East POY in his grasp?  A packed MSG rooting him on?

Hed be crazy to go now.



 
 
Zach B

Christina Champagnie, mother of Justin and Julian Champagnie, tells me right now she is uncertain if they will use an NCAA-certified agent. Said family is working with both St. John's and Pittsburgh in this process. #sjubb #pitt
 
Duke of Earlington post=427881 said:
Look at Myles Powell and Marcus Howard.  They are basketball irrelevant now.

Does Julian really want to take that chance when he has a Big East POY in his grasp?  A packed MSG rooting him on?

Hed be crazy to go now.



Both players you mentioned stayed in college for four years and became basketball gods for their respective schools. But do you also realize that both players then went undrafted? Powell is currently on the Knicks G-League team, and Howard ended up catching on with the Nuggets and his salary is about $450,000.00.  So what benefit did either gain by staying in college for all four years? If those are the two examples you are going to use, I am confused as to what narrative you are trying to push.




 
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Zach B

NBA Scout on Julian Champagnie: "Selfishly, I'd love to see him in the second round, but if he comes back he could be a first-rounder next year. He might sneak into the late first, early second, but that to me is probably doubtful unless certain players go back to school." #sjubb
 
I wonder how Justin's decision will influence Julian.  Didn't they say in a recent joint interview that they're going to decide together?  Justins projected as a first rounder so he's probably gone, but Julian.............
 
stormin normin post=427893 said:
Duke of Earlington post=427881 said:
Look at Myles Powell and Marcus Howard.  They are basketball irrelevant now.

Does Julian really want to take that chance when he has a Big East POY in his grasp?  A packed MSG rooting him on?

Hed be crazy to go now.



Both players you mentioned stayed in college for four years and became basketball gods for their respective schools. But do you also realize that both players then went undrafted? Powell is currently on the Knicks G-League team, and Howard ended up catching on with the Nuggets and his salary is about $450,000.00.  So what benefit did either gain by staying in college for all four years? If those are the two examples you are going to use, I am confused as to what narrative you are trying to push.





 
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You stated the narrative in your 1st sentence.  Enjoy being the man at your school.  Enjoy the press when they talk about you for BE POY.  Enjoy the cheers reigning down on you from the msg rafters.

Cause although Powell and Howard might be cashing checks, the accolades have come to a schreeching halt.

Julian will eventually make that 450,000 salary, but the glory and cheers might never return.
 
I rarely watch the NBA. They damaged a lot of what was nice about the college game. That is my selfish way of looking at it. For some players, especially those with families in need, going from nothing to a lot is hard to pass up. For most kids, dreaming of playing in the NBA often becomes a nightmare. Bouncing around the G League, playing in some pretty obscure places globally, hanging on to the NBA dream. Many international teams play well, and isn't bad if you like to explore the world and get paid to do it. But it's not the NBA. Testing the waters is great. The hard part is making the right decision on the future. Julian seems level headed enough to make the right decision that considers the big picture.
 
 
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