queenstocali
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When it comes to mid to late 2nd round picks said:
Welcome back Julian!
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MakingPlays
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Do you have any examples of a player that most mock sites had ranked in the 80's and 90's on the top draft sites a month before the draft and ended up getting drafted? Because I follow the draft every year and I can't think of any of the top of my head, I'm sure there's a couple of examples, but it's not that common. Draftexpress is usually pretty accurate on where GM's see certain players at.QueensToCali post=435503 said:
And while workouts are important to perform well at. You have to remember by the time a player has worked out for a team in June/July they've already watched hundreds if not thousands of hours of that player playing. If they have several people ahead of him on their list, and that player has one better workout than them, they are not going to toss out all of the prior research they've done based on one workout. If that was the case you wouldn't see a lot of players that are guranteed to get drafted in the first round/early 2nd round skipping 5v5 scrimmages and only choosing to workout for certain teams. Workouts are more or less just like an interview, they play against chairs and cones they just run around and do drills and maybe do some light scrimmaging at the end, it's not going to jump you 30 spots in a pecking order.
CBB players we're watching who may pull out of NBA Draft prior to July 7 deadline:
Johnny Juzang
Ochai Agbaji
Josh Primo
Hunter Dickinson
Julian Champagnie
Joe Wieskamp
Ron Harper Jr.
EJ Liddell
Aaron Wiggins
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Remy Martin
Jaden Shackelford
Isaiah Mobley
Jalen Wilson
Isaiah Wong
Johnny Juzang
Ochai Agbaji
Josh Primo
Hunter Dickinson
Julian Champagnie
Joe Wieskamp
Ron Harper Jr.
EJ Liddell
Aaron Wiggins
@CollHoopsChat
Remy Martin
Jaden Shackelford
Isaiah Mobley
Jalen Wilson
Isaiah Wong
Anthony Mattia
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Paultzman post=435561 said:
MakingPlays
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He already removed his name.Anthony Mattia post=435562 said:
Anthony Mattia
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Making Plays post=435564 said:
Mullins Revenge
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Hes coming back. He did not put up explosive enough numbers to entice the nba guys.
Come back, win big east player of the year and try the nba again next year.
Come back, win big east player of the year and try the nba again next year.
John Fanta on SJU & Julian
“That is the key. If he comes back, St. John’s is a top five team in the Big East, if not top three or four. If he does not come back, I can’t put them there, knowing how much instant offense he provided for that team. I still expect Julian Champagnie will come back to St. John's. I still am leaning toward that point of view. That’s what I've heard, but things could change.
I've also heard from some people he’s giving thoughts to going pro.I really do expect that he’s going to come back to St. John’s. He's spent a lot of time in Queens. You can tell he’s still deeply embedded and invested in the program, and I don’t think he’s an NBA-ready player quite yet. With another year of college basketball, could he be? Absolutely. He has the skill set to be an NBA player down the road. He's not there right now, in my humble opinion.
The kid has to do what’s best for him, but there is a reason why his brother, Justin (formerly of Pitt) is going forward with the NBA and Julian is still testing the waters.I expect Julian will come back to St. John's and I do expect Mike Anderson’s team (to be good), despite a significant amount of roster overhaul. I think they had an addition by subtraction type of thing in which the transfers they brought could be better than what they had.”
https://setonhall.rivals.com/news/zooming-in-on-the-big-east
“That is the key. If he comes back, St. John’s is a top five team in the Big East, if not top three or four. If he does not come back, I can’t put them there, knowing how much instant offense he provided for that team. I still expect Julian Champagnie will come back to St. John's. I still am leaning toward that point of view. That’s what I've heard, but things could change.
I've also heard from some people he’s giving thoughts to going pro.I really do expect that he’s going to come back to St. John’s. He's spent a lot of time in Queens. You can tell he’s still deeply embedded and invested in the program, and I don’t think he’s an NBA-ready player quite yet. With another year of college basketball, could he be? Absolutely. He has the skill set to be an NBA player down the road. He's not there right now, in my humble opinion.
The kid has to do what’s best for him, but there is a reason why his brother, Justin (formerly of Pitt) is going forward with the NBA and Julian is still testing the waters.I expect Julian will come back to St. John's and I do expect Mike Anderson’s team (to be good), despite a significant amount of roster overhaul. I think they had an addition by subtraction type of thing in which the transfers they brought could be better than what they had.”
https://setonhall.rivals.com/news/zooming-in-on-the-big-east
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beast of the east
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I don't know how accurate this article is. Julian is NOT an instant offense type of player - Vinnie Johnson was, Allen Iverson was, Isaiah Thomas was, Michael Jordan was, Bernard King was, Cazzie Russell was. An instant offense player can torch an opponent and is generally unstoppable once he gets it going. Julian is a very fine, rock solid collegian, but instant offense is not his game.Paultzman post=435582 said:
Also, addition by subtraction means that simply by removing a player from the roster, the team is better because he is either a liability as a player or is a problem child. Not a single kid who left fits that description, and does not deserve to be categorized as such. The roster appears to be upgraded with better talent, simply addition by addition.
Respectfully disagree on your second point. I mean I disrespect to the kids who left, but in several of those cases was definitely + by -
beast of the east
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Guessing who you mean, but he was also a pretty big producer and I don't think anyone would have been upset had he stayed.redmanwest post=435591 said:
Beast of the East post=435590 said:
Is he not capable of scoring a bunch of points quickly? I think that’s what he meant by it. And I think that’s accurate. That game at providence is just one example.
Agree with you on the second point.
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Addition by subtraction means one or more left the team but you are better off without them even though you didn’t add anyone (see Boeheim’s comments regarding Jalen Johnson when he left Duke). “We’re better off without them”.
In this case we replaced them so we “hopefully” got better players.
In this case we replaced them so we “hopefully” got better players.
bamafan post=435609 said:
We have 2 open spots not including Champ.
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