We don’t deserve Ncaa bid

Disappointing no doubt, but keep in mind when it comes to the Selection Committee this game counts just as much as any other game we've played: 3% (33 games total). It won't destroy our resume.

As for whether we deserve a bid (which is the main topic of this thread), I'd say we do due to the weak bubble. We're competing with teams like Texas, who is about to finish .500 overall. Yikes!
 
[quote="mkras99" post=330579]How many BE teams will make it? I feel like we are fifth in line after Marquette, Nova, Seton Hall and Xavier.[/quote]

So you've stopped watching college hoops too. LOL

Xavier has 1 quality win. The Nova game. They need to win the BET to get in.
 
I would expect to be in a play in game likely against another very flawed team. This was a very disappointing season and we played last night exactly the same way we did against Nova two years ago and Xavier the year before. I agree with Mayer that I wouldn’t be disappointed if Belmont, Libscomb or Greensboro takes our spot. I won’t count a win in a Dayton as a tournament win. Of course I will root for them if they make it but what I saw yesterday was disappointing to say it mildly.
 
Sorry to say but as fantastic both Joe Lunardi and Jerry Palm are at picking, they never go 68 for 68.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=330469]

But there’s teams like a 16-15 Texas squad that is in most brackets.
[/quote]
Texas has a NET in the 30s and an RPI not far below ours despite their bad record. They also have a bunch of good wins. I don't think either Texas or us deserves a big, but I could definitely see them getting in without us.
 
Last edited:
[quote="austour" post=330522][quote="mjmaherjr" post=330450]Love the kids. Can’t ssy a bad word about any of them. Wish they had more coaching or bench help ( take it firvehat it is but bench produdiction is indisputable ) we might back in. I hope we do but we don’t deserve it. No participation trophies[/quote]

Mike, there's at least 8 teams in Lunardi's bracket that don't deserve a bid for their level of play (and I include STJ in that), but you got to put 68 teams in. Look at who else is on the bubble. Almost every other 11 and 12 seed besides Temple lost soundly to better teams or closely to worse teams in their conference tourney already and I expect Texas, Florida and Ohio State to follow suit tonight and tomorrow. Not enough teams to jump them and Alabama is the only one of the last 8 out who's even still playing. To be honest I'd respect the committee if the put Belmont, Lipscomb and UNCG in the tourney over the mediocre big 7 teams that are on the bubble, but they won't. It's honestly been a bad year for college hoops all around. Except Zion of course. He's a god. Puke.

The only way STJ doesn't get a bid if is bama, gtown, someone other that Washington, West Virginia and a bottom 8 team in the B10 ALL win their conference tourney.[/quote]
Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, Texas, and Indiana have names that are associated with the NCAA tournament in recent decades. St. John's is not. I can easily see the committee giving bids to every mid-major bubble team over us.
 
I think Belmont, Texas, and Clemson get in over us. Plus NC State, Arizona State, Florida, Temple, Indiana, and Ohio State. I think Davidson, Furman, Lipscomb, and UNC Greensboro deserve it over us too. They almost all have a better NET than we do. Xavier could also sneak in with a win over Nova. Add in a few unexpected auto bids and we are OUT. I'm not saying it's fair, but that's what I expect. Nobody's going out of their way to put St. John's in the tournament.
 
Last edited:
To what degree does the Selection committee take into account short term injuries to discount certain losses? Between ponds and heron we have a few of those. Could make the difference of giving us the benefit of the doubt (that we probably don’t deserve by sputtering to the finish line).
 
Last edited:
I think we still get in one way or another...but we did pretty much everything we could to sweat it out. We are lucky it was a ranked Marquette team blowing us out and not DePaul or we would be in dire circumstances IMO. Before the season I was expecting an NCAA berth at a minimum regardless of if we squeaked in and lose instantly. I know the mob will burn me at the stake, but maybe just maybe this staff is limited. Is that nice enough? Lol
 
I think we get in. But we are an opponent, and not a contender, to reach the round of 32. I didn't expect to win last night, Marquette was in a slide, desperate for a win, tired of hearing how Howard can't get the best of Simon. But we gave up last night. And it was the upperclassmen, minus Simon, that checked out. Ugly way to finish the season.
 
PIcked up a bunch of pricey seats on Stubhub yesterday morning for this game. Under normal circumstances would have stayed for at least part of the second game. After the way we played over the last 15 minutes of the game, it was so repulsive to consider staying and watching any more basketball, kind of like staying in a restaurant after you got food poisoning.

We have the most enigmatic team. The good thing is we have 5 starters who can shoot from 3. The bad thing is we have 5 starters who shoot from three. Good shooting ignites everything for us, and without it, an undersized team finds it hard to attack the basket because teams just pack it in.

Funny, after we beat DePaul, overwhelming consensus was that we are in. I was doubtful but I'll go with consensus.

Wouldn't be at all surprised or shocked if we not only won a game, but if we got through the first weekend. Also not surprised if we got handed our lunch by a very average team in game 1.
 
According to all the "experts", we're in.

But the title of this thread is that we don't "deserve" to be in. The one stat about our season that glares out to me is that we have not been able to win 2 consecutive games in conference play (ie- against "real" opponents.) I am not familiar enough with the Lipscombs and Belmonts of the world, but if they have any consistency whatsoever, then yeah, they probably deserve it over us. But we're in and maybe by some miracle we'll develop some consistency starting next week.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=330708]PIcked up a bunch of pricey seats on Stubhub yesterday morning for this game. Under normal circumstances would have stayed for at least part of the second game. After the way we played over the last 15 minutes of the game, it was so repulsive to consider staying and watching any more basketball, kind of like staying in a restaurant after you got food poisoning.

We have the most enigmatic team. The good thing is we have 5 starters who can shoot from 3. The bad thing is we have 5 starters who shoot from three. Good shooting ignites everything for us, and without it, an undersized team finds it hard to attack the basket because teams just pack it in.

Funny, after we beat DePaul, overwhelming consensus was that we are in. I was doubtful but I'll go with consensus.

Wouldn't be at all surprised or shocked if we not only won a game, but if we got through the first weekend. Also not surprised if we got handed our lunch by a very average team in game 1.[/quote]

Great analogy. I couldn't agree more. I turned the TV off and don't expect to watch any basketball until the tournament begins.
 
68 teams need to get in and I doubt most of us watch any of the bubble teams as much as SJU. The experts seem to think we get in and I prefer to be in than not.
 
Based on what I've seen from the different "experts" and sites that analyze this sort of thing - I think we are either one of the last 4 byes or getting ready for a date in Dayton. I agree that, as a longtime fan, just watching this team and its inconsistent play throughout the year, I do not think they deserve to make the tournament. And that probably would be true in other years. But the truth of the matter is that this is a very down year for the bubble, and because of that we will likely get in. Not only do we have more quality wins that most teams on the bubble, a lot of our losses can and will be slightly discounted. At least three of our losses came when missing 1 of our 2 best players. And another one of our losses, which should have been another Q1 win, came at the hands of one of the worst (and most public) officiating blunders of the season.

As disappointing as this team has been this season, they look to be a very dangerous 11 or 12 seed. I know this is also a weird way of looking at it, but being an 11 or 12 might be better for this team than being an 8 or 9 if they are somehow able to get past the first round. I am just not ready to stop watching this team and will be sweating through the weekend.
 
We don't deserve to get a bid but I'd be very happy if we do. A few years ago, Syracuse was in a similar situation. They were on the bubble and many (myself included) felt that they did not deserve a bid but they got in and did some real damage in that tournament.

Here's hoping that lightning strikes twice. As poorly as we've played at times this season, our team is still dangerous and has the ability to pull off an upset against almost anybody on any given night.
 
[quote="david cross" post=330513]The players should take some of blame. They failed to execute. During a TO in 1st half the camera zoomed in huddle and Millin said keep attacking the hoop. Guess he really meant keep throwing up 3s. Even if we somehow get a bid, we will be a one and done.[/quote]

I agree Dave, that's exactly what Mullin said and Marquette had no one that could physically deal with a guy like Heron going to the hoop. I know Mullin is not the greatest coach but there have been multiple times this season where they show Mullin giving direction during a TO and these kids go out and do exactly the opposite. They are all good kids but the have shoulder some of the blame. There's no reason for blatantly ignoring your coaches instructions and just not showing up in certain games.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=330736]We don't deserve to get a bid but I'd be very happy if we do. A few years ago, Syracuse was in a similar situation. They were on the bubble and many (myself included) felt that they did not deserve a bid but they got in and did some real damage in that tournament.

Here's hoping that lightning strikes twice. As poorly as we've played at times this season, our team is still dangerous and has the ability to pull off an upset against almost anybody on any given night.[/quote]

*A chance to upset anybody who mimics us in size and play.

The first time we play a team who has legit size AND will use it, then it's highly-likely we're gonna lose. We'll have to shoot light's out to win in that scenario. It can happen, but what's the likelihood it does happen....
 
Last edited:
[quote="Mean Gene" post=330740][quote="david cross" post=330513]The players should take some of blame. They failed to execute. During a TO in 1st half the camera zoomed in huddle and Millin said keep attacking the hoop. Guess he really meant keep throwing up 3s. Even if we somehow get a bid, we will be a one and done.[/quote]

I agree Dave, that's exactly what Mullin said and Marquette had no one that could physically deal with a guy like Heron going to the hoop. I know Mullin is not the greatest coach but there have been multiple times this season where they show Mullin giving direction during a TO and these kids go out and do exactly the opposite. They are all good kids but the have shoulder some of the blame. There's no reason for blatantly ignoring your coaches instructions and just not showing up in certain games.[/quote]

Marquette was cutting off the drives to the hoop for the most part. We had our moments where we got to the cup, but Marquette was discipline throughout a good portion of the game. I thought Marquette played rather solidly defensively.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top