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Rocket said:
I take it you didn't go to the Citadel and sleep on a cot for 4 years.
For many kids, after freshman year they want the freedom to party and live like adults so off campus living becomes a part of the equation. There are schools where living off campus is not an attractive or safe proposition.
That includes some pretty good schools like Columbia, Yale and schools just in the wrong real estate zip code vis-a-vis when they were built. That doesn't stop kids applying to Columbia or even Temple.
The St. John's Queens campus is a fairly small young campus that lacks landmark buildings common at some schools that have buildings going back 100 or more years.
As for the hyping of Manhattan, that's a complete crock!
My nephews attended NYU and a niece was uptown just south of Barnard. There was no "campus". They crossed city streets to attend different classes. The 14th street dorms were half mile from the class rooms. While excellent schools, the amount of time and money is limited to attend clubs and other events.

Basketball players who consider St. John's know that Manhattan is safe 30 minutes away on the subway.
Some of you make it sound like players are looking for a resort like environment to attend college. I think that fir most, it's near the bottom of the list.
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From what I've heard some schools offer really nice housing for athletes. Just saying, regardless of whether people think it's a good experience to share a small bedroom or not the majority of people I'm pretty sure would opt to have their own bedroom, along with a full fridge/kitchen, living room for a proper TV/entertainment setup, private shower/bathroom (with one other roommate), etc... it's just that many schools simply don't offer that option for freshmen (or up). Does anyone here really think the average athlete would opt to share a small bedroom if given the choice? At my school there were plenty of freshmen who shared a bedroom and then the next year either got their own bedroom or went off-campus. The reverse I never heard of happening (going from a private bedroom to shared).

Anyway, I don't think this issue comes anywhere close to basketball, NIL, etc. for the average basketball player, but if everything else is equal then they'll pick the school with the better dorms, classrooms, facilities, campus life, etc.
 
Rocket said:
STOP with the beautiful campus excuse!
These guys are going to a particular school to play basketball and not take daily walks in Duke's arboretum.
They live in the gym.
A classroom is a classroom.
A dorm room is a dorm room.
A practice gym has a hoop.

I remember going to a Syracuse game many years ago for the first time. It was January and it was bitter cold with a foot of snow covering the campus. My reaction was "Why would any kid want to spend 4 years here?"
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Right on some, not on others. When you don’t have the facilities to keep up with others, then other things come into the mix that out way the facilities. If you don’t think it makes difference, why did St. John’s attempt to match others with Taffner (poorly executed but an attempt nonetheless).

njfan said:
WELL SAID. Funny how that wasnt an issue when we were winning under lavin and well Mullin. That wasnt an issue when we went to the elite 8. So it's not an issue TODAY. "If you build it they will come" Thats what RP is doing starting to build a culture for great basketball here at SJU.
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Winning under Lavin and Mullin? Two NCAA appearances in eight years, both in their last years. I love Chris and warmed up to Lavin but winning?

The differences in facilities now and the gap is much larger now than it was when we went to the elite 8 over 20 years ago.

Facilites can make a difference in recruiting. When you don’t have them in your program, other things and differences that make your program more attractive need to be magnified wether it is location, fan base, coaching or something else that appeals to a recruit.

But don’t kid yourself if you think there is not an arms race when it comes to facilities. And we all know, their is an arms race in that new NIL thing.
 
While facilities are a factor, in today's college basketball world, there are new factors that didn't exist just a few years ago.
We all know the NIL lawsuit radically changed the dynamics of recruiting. It trumps everything for most players today.
Playing time is another factor for many players. Some kids just have unrealistic expectations because they were "the man" in high school.
Going back to the redmen golden age, we didn't have dorms or a practice facility. We have what every college from Yale to Baylor have in terms of facilities.......just on either smaller or newer scale.
Over the past decade Seton Hall and Providence had much more successful programs than St. John's.
It had more to do with the coaching than school facilities or where the school was located.
We finally have a HoF coach. Yet, some impatient fans expected a recruiting coup where committed McDonald's AA's would decommit from Kentucky or Louisville and declare for Rick Pitino. Absurdity at its finest.
The other armchair recruiting experts look at transfer portal rankings by sports geeks that have never seen players other than in clips.
The goal set forth by the new staff was to change our losing and indifferent culture, replace players who would not fit the Pitino system and work ethic and replace them them proven and experienced players with a hunger in their belly.
Soriano is the central character in the new cast.
There are only 4 important positions to fill to start with Soriano. We have 5 scholarships left.
Where's the fire to fill them when there are dozens of players still undecided?
The top rated players that are undecided are playing a $ game. A great coach doesn't need to play along if he sees other options.
Look at our decommitted Gardner! He's going from St. John's and Madison Square Garden to North Phoenix and Grand Canyon University on a campus that looks like a Chinese housing complex with a couple of academic buildings.😉
 
Rocket said:
While facilities are a factor, in today's college basketball world, there are new factors that didn't exist just a few years ago.
We all know the NIL lawsuit radically changed the dynamics of recruiting. It trumps everything for most players today.
Playing time is another factor for many players. Some kids just have unrealistic expectations because they were "the man" in high school.
Going back to the redmen golden age, we didn't have dorms or a practice facility. We have what every college from Yale to Baylor have in terms of facilities.......just on either smaller or newer scale.
Over the past decade Seton Hall and Providence had much more successful programs than St. John's.
It had more to do with the coaching than school facilities or where the school was located.
We finally have a HoF coach. Yet, some impatient fans expected a recruiting coup where committed McDonald's AA's would decommit from Kentucky or Louisville and declare for Rick Pitino. Absurdity at its finest.
The other armchair recruiting experts look at transfer portal rankings by sports geeks that have never seen players other than in clips.
The goal set forth by the new staff was to change our losing and indifferent culture, replace players who would not fit the Pitino system and work ethic and replace them them proven and experienced players with a hunger in their belly.
Soriano is the central character in the new cast.
There are only 4 important positions to fill to start with Soriano. We have 5 scholarships left.
Where's the fire to fill them when there are dozens of players still undecided?
The top rated players that are undecided are playing a $ game. A great coach doesn't need to play along if he sees other options.
Look at our decommitted Gardner! He's going from St. John's and Madison Square Garden to North Phoenix and Grand Canyon University on a campus that looks like a Chinese housing complex with a couple of academic buildings.😉
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Let me help Kranmars out " Paragraphs " :)
 
RedStormNC said:
Maybe they have a great NIL

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Grand Canyon is one of those mid-majors spending big money, but they're still a mid-major and I'm surprised a Power school hasn't offered similar/more yet. I do find it funny that Brandon's mom replied to someone on Twitter denying this is about NIL. Come on. What else would it be about, competing for a WAC title? That's wack. There's no shame in going somewhere for NIL, but now it's more apparent his decision to decommit was about NIL.

And yes, in the back of my mind I'd like for him to come back to St. John's but that's not happening.
 
ADORAZ said:
Grand Canyon is one of those mid-majors spending big money, but they're still a mid-major and I'm surprised a Power school hasn't offered similar/more yet. I do find it funny that Brandon's mom replied to someone on Twitter denying this is about NIL. Come on. What else would it be about, competing for a WAC title? That's wack. There's no shame in going somewhere for NIL, but now it's more apparent his decision to decommit was about NIL.

And yes, in the back of my mind I'd like for him to come back to St. John's but that's not happening.
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Campus certainly isn't visually appealing. But with the portal, he could bet on himself while claiming that GCU NIL.

But I still think better names will pop up. Some kids may not want to wait until mid-May though.
 
L J S A said:
Campus certainly isn't visually appealing. But with the portal, he could bet on himself while claiming that GCU NIL.

But I still think better names will pop up. Some kids may not want to wait until mid-May though.
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I hear you, but in ESPN's top 100 for 2023 only one player has committed to a non-P6+Gonzaga/Memphis. That's the #99 recruit going to Richard Pitino's New Mexico squad. Gardner is #81 and if he goes to GCU he'd be quite the outlier.
 
ADORAZ said:
I hear you, but in ESPN's top 100 for 2023 only one player has committed to a non-P6+Gonzaga/Memphis. That's the #99 recruit going to Richard Pitino's New Mexico squad. Gardner is #81 and if he goes to GCU he'd be quite the outlier.
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Now there will be two I guess unless he pauses and takes a deep breath.

And if things went better in the meeting, Rick may have tried to send the kid his son's way. But I guess that didn't happen.

There have been better kids than Gardner who have ended up at schools that seem beneath them, for whatever reason.

If he ends up at GCU, hopefully things work out for him either there or in the portal.
 
L J S A said:
Now there will be two I guess unless he pauses and takes a deep breath.

And if things went better in the meeting, Rick may have tried to send the kid his son's way. But I guess that didn't happen.

There have been better kids than Gardner who have ended up at schools that seem beneath them, for whatever reason.

If he ends up at GCU, hopefully things work out for him either there or in the portal.
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Yep, agreed. Wild how not a single Grand Canyon fan (if they even exist) has discussed this on Twitter. Meanwhile our fans ordered MSGardner shirts a year before he didn't come here.
 
DeJuan Clayton, who has been on a roster every year since the 2016-17 season, has entered the portal. Somehow has managed to get three redshirt years and still has a covid year if the portal is to be believed.
 
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