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At this point, I'd call it a very successful recruiting season if we could somehow get Thomasson and Luis to commit for a combo of satisfactory Nil-$$'s and the opportunity to play for Rick.
 
Andrew said:
I think the frustration that I am beginning to feel is that relatively speaking at least for next season it clearly seems that mostly all we have to offer is Pitino and if anything it feels Iike I could understand a kid taking a little less money to go to a beautiful campus so it seems for a while we have to be at the top of the NIL market for more players then we would have hoped.
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STOP with the beautiful campus excuse!
These guys are going to a particular school to play basketball and not take daily walks in Duke's arboretum.
They live in the gym.
A classroom is a classroom.
A dorm room is a dorm room.
A practice gym has a hoop.

I remember going to a Syracuse game many years ago for the first time. It was January and it was bitter cold with a foot of snow covering the campus. My reaction was "Why would any kid want to spend 4 years here?"
 
Rocket said:
STOP with the beautiful campus excuse!
These guys are going to a particular school to play basketball and not take daily walks in Duke's arboretum.
They live in the gym.
A classroom is a classroom.
A dorm room is a dorm room.
A practice gym has a hoop.

I remember going to a Syracuse game many years ago for the first time. It was January and it was bitter cold with a foot of snow covering the campus. My reaction was "Why would any kid want to spend 4 years here?"
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WELL SAID. Funny how that wasnt an issue when we were winning under lavin and well Mullin. That wasnt an issue when we went to the elite 8. So it's not an issue TODAY. "If you build it they will come" Thats what RP is doing starting to build a culture for great basketball here at SJU.
 
panther2 said:
I wish people would stop saying it’s all about the money. USC has money, maybe the young man, for his own personal reasons, wants a different environment. None of us really know.
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You could be right about wanting a different environment.
Let's just say USC is not located in a "walkable" Westwood neighborhood like UCLA.
I would say it almost rivals Temple for being surrounded by crime riddled neighborhoods. A friend's daughter graduated from USC in theater arts but when she was a freshman in her first week she was mugged. It turned into an annual occurrence. Kids learn to avoid the surrounding area.
Have you ever been to Notre Dame? South Bend is cesspool.
That's why I can't stand when some of our own grads diminish our campus. I think some of these guys must have attended the old Brooklyn campus! And even there, we're talking Brooklyn Heights and a very upscale neighborhood.
 
Rocket said:
STOP with the beautiful campus excuse!
These guys are going to a particular school to play basketball and not take daily walks in Duke's arboretum.
They live in the gym.
A classroom is a classroom.
A dorm room is a dorm room.
A practice gym has a hoop.

I remember going to a Syracuse game many years ago for the first time. It was January and it was bitter cold with a foot of snow covering the campus. My reaction was "Why would any kid want to spend 4 years here?"
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Eh as someone who went to undergrad at a southern school and then went to graduate school here, I totally disagree. Dorms and class rooms are a massive downgrade at St. John's. I was actually in shock at how old and outdated St. John's was in comparison, besides a couple buildings like D'Angelo Center which were at least decent.

That said, I do agree with your overall point that it's not the reason players commit. They're going to commit primarily for basketball and NIL. Hoping St. John's is still able to compete in NIL because results this off-season have not been great thus far.
 
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Rocket said:
STOP with the beautiful campus excuse!
These guys are going to a particular school to play basketball and not take daily walks in Duke's arboretum.
They live in the gym.
A classroom is a classroom.
A dorm room is a dorm room.
A practice gym has a hoop.

I remember going to a Syracuse game many years ago for the first time. It was January and it was bitter cold with a foot of snow covering the campus. My reaction was "Why would any kid want to spend 4 years here?"
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Further, while SJ campus may not be as sprawling as state schools, it is pretty nice. And, even the picturesque schools ultimately become what they are - school.
 
njfan said:
WELL SAID. Funny how that wasnt an issue when we were winning under lavin and well Mullin. That wasnt an issue when we went to the elite 8. So it's not an issue TODAY. "If you build it they will come" Thats what RP is doing starting to build a culture for great basketball here at SJU.
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The culture Rick Pitino is referring to is the organization culture which defines its personality. Our basketball culture had become a toxic culture with low morale which led to poor performance.
This was evident in the actions of certain players who fought amongst themselves and had low visible morale as we witnessed with many timeouts. The culture became embedded into the mindset of certain players.
The defensive lapses, the unwillingness to share the ball, the body language when taken out of the game, the inordinate number of turnovers (Posh had 6 in one game).
Rick Pitino was given a situational report when he took job. A kind if reality check. He decided he was not going there to rehabilitate individual players. There was no time for that. He is a basketball coach and teacher.
NIT a therapist.
 
Boo Harvey said:
I love sju as much as anybody but the campus is most certainly not “pretty nice.” Not even close.
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Disagree. Didn’t say it was Penn State-like. But, for an urban campus, it is pretty nice. UCONN, for example, is nothing to look at.
 
Section3 said:
Disagree. Didn’t say it was Penn State-like. But, for an urban campus, it is pretty nice. UCONN, for example, is nothing to look at.
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Pretty nice compared to what? As it relates to the blue bloods like Kentucky and Duke it’s not at all pretty nice. But this has been an issue since before Mashburn committed to Kentucky. That’s a long time. We have The Garden and a top top coach developing players and coaching games. That’s big!
 
basketballjones said:
Pretty nice compared to what? As it relates to the blue bloods like Kentucky and Duke it’s not at all pretty nice. But this has been an issue since before Washburn committed to Kentucky. That’s a long time. We have The Garden and a top top coach developing players and coaching games. That’s big!
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I wish we had a campus in Manhattan instead of Queens. That would do wonders for recruiting.
 
ADORAZ said:
Eh as someone who went to undergrad at a southern school and then went to graduate school here, I totally disagree. Dorms and class rooms are a massive downgrade at St. John's. I was actually in shock at how old and outdated St. John's was in comparison, besides a couple buildings like D'Angelo Center which were at least decent.

That said, I do agree with your overall point that it's not the reason players commit. They're going to commit primarily for basketball and NIL. Hoping St. John's is still able to compete in NIL because results this off-season have not been great thus far.
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I dare say you have not visited the St. John's dorms. They are among the newest in the nation. And, I've visited dorms at Ivy League schools with multi-billion dollar endowments.
Unless your undergrad classrooms had leather upholstered chairs and views of the beach, I never saw a big difference.
In many northern campuses, if a recruit visited in winter, they would see mostly snow covered streets and certainly no coeds wearing short shorts.
Places like Wisconsin, Michigan, South Bend, Syracuse come to mind.
 
Section3 said:
Further, while SJ campus may not be as sprawling as state schools, it is pretty nice. And, even the picturesque schools ultimately become what they are - school.
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Outside of California, most sprawling state schools are very unremarkable. Look at all the NY state campuses.
The University of South Florida is 1,000 acres of nothing.
 
yea SJU dorms honestly are nice compared to dorms I have personally visited at schools like Providence, U of Delaware, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, etc.

also from my experience the basketball team usually gets a house off campus fwiw, idk if thats still a thing but it was when I was there
 
Rocket said:
I dare say you have not visited the St. John's dorms. They are among the newest in the nation. And, I've visited dorms at Ivy League schools with multi-billion dollar endowments.
Unless your undergrad classrooms had leather upholstered chairs and views of the beach, I never saw a big difference.
In many northern campuses, if a recruit visited in winter, they would see mostly snow covered streets and certainly no coeds wearing short shorts.
Places like Wisconsin, Michigan, South Bend, Syracuse come to mind.
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When were the dorms built? Do they now offer single bedrooms with shared living areas for 4 roommates? I went to SJU from 2012-14, though I lived in the Manhattan / Murray St dorms (now torn down). I did however go to the Queens campus for classes / Graduate Assistant work a few times each week and the classrooms are awful... felt like a 1950s high school. As for the dorms they didn't allow me to get a bedroom for myself (always had my own bedroom in college where I shared the common area with 3 roommates) so I opted for the Manhattan campus even though I had to share a room there as a grad student. But hey, at least it was Manhattan and not Queens.
 
ADORAZ said:
When were the dorms built? Do they now offer single bedrooms with shared living areas for 4 roommates? I went to SJU from 2012-14, though I lived in the Manhattan / Murray St dorms (now torn down). I did however go to the Queens campus for classes / Graduate Assistant work a few times each week and the classrooms are awful... felt like a 1950s high school. As for the dorms they didn't allow me to get a bedroom for myself (always had my own bedroom in college where I shared the common area with 3 roommates) so I opted for the Manhattan campus even though I had to share a room there as a grad student. But hey, at least it was Manhattan and not Queens.
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there are singles within the dorms but they are very hard to get. But I mean, hey, it's college, I would argue living with roommates is a big part of the experience and I had some of my best memories there hanging out with roommates and suite mates. So I wouldn't personally cite that as a negative but I guess that comes down to personal preference.

As for the classrooms, now that I see your point. The classrooms within Marillac and SJH are very old at this point. My senior year there, so 2019-20, they renovated the bottom 2 floors of Marillac and modernized them quite a bit. Which was nice. But it was like putting lipstick on a pig. But St. John Hall is just unbelievably bad looking on the interior.
 
Jack Williams said:
there are singles within the dorms but they are very hard to get. But I mean, hey, it's college, I would argue living with roommates is a big part of the experience and I had some of my best memories there hanging out with roommates and suite mates. So I wouldn't personally cite that as a negative but I guess that comes down to personal preference.

As for the classrooms, now that I see your point. The classrooms within Marillac and SJH are very old at this point. My senior year there, so 2019-20, they renovated the bottom 2 floors of Marillac and modernized them quite a bit. Which was nice. But it was like putting lipstick on a pig. But St. John Hall is just unbelievably bad looking on the interior.
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Gotcha, yeah I was surprised that back in 2014 I wasn't allowed to get a single as a grad student since in the south I was able to since I was a freshman. I didn't miss out on anything in college because there were always people in our living room whenever I wanted to hang out. Always got a full night's sleep which wasn't the case at St. John's. It does come down to personal preference, but personally I much more enjoyed my college dorm experience with my 3 roommates over the St. John's experience where I shared a tiny bedroom, had no privacy, had shared shower rooms, no fridge, etc. Good to know they now have some singles, and hopefully they are offered to the basketball players. I'd imagine having the option for players to choose between singles and shared bedrooms could only be a good thing, especially if other schools are offering singles.
 
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