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Rocket said:
You could be right about wanting a different environment.
Let's just say USC is not located in a "walkable" Westwood neighborhood like UCLA.
I would say it almost rivals Temple for being surrounded by crime riddled neighborhoods. A friend's daughter graduated from USC in theater arts but when she was a freshman in her first week she was mugged. It turned into an annual occurrence. Kids learn to avoid the surrounding area.
Have you ever been to Notre Dame? South Bend is cesspool.
That's why I can't stand when some of our own grads diminish our campus. I think some of these guys must have attended the old Brooklyn campus! And even there, we're talking Brooklyn Heights and a very upscale neighborhood.
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Yes but USC is walkable to the home of future NSWL Champions Angel City FC! (Day One season ticket holder :ROFLMAO:)

But seriously nice campus with campus life may be a factor in a kid's decision, but you are correct, it's not a significant factor. Similar to national relevance, academic profile, being close to or far from home, etc... Some of these attributes are factors of some relevance to some potential recruits. However NIL, chance to dance and preparation and positioning for a future as a pro are factor's 1-99 for most kids. I agree with that.
 
ADORAZ said:
When were the dorms built? Do they now offer single bedrooms with shared living areas for 4 roommates? I went to SJU from 2012-14, though I lived in the Manhattan / Murray St dorms (now torn down). I did however go to the Queens campus for classes / Graduate Assistant work a few times each week and the classrooms are awful... felt like a 1950s high school. As for the dorms they didn't allow me to get a bedroom for myself (always had my own bedroom in college where I shared the common area with 3 roommates) so I opted for the Manhattan campus even though I had to share a room there as a grad student. But hey, at least it was Manhattan and not Queens.
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The issue IMO is scale and not quality. I lived in the dorms but it never felt like a true college town atmosphere. I believe the school has standing offers on all the homes around the campus. Acquiring all those homes and converting them to more dorms and maybe Greek and sports housing would be huge.

FWIW most of the huge Florida colleges have predominantly off-campus. My cousins are at FSU and have lived off campus since day one.
 
Marillac2 said:
The issue IMO is scale and not quality. I lived in the dorms but it never felt like a true college town atmosphere. I believe the school has standing offers on all the homes around the campus. Acquiring all those homes and converting them to more dorms and maybe Greek and sports housing would be huge.

FWIW most of the huge Florida colleges have predominantly off-campus. My cousins are at FSU and have lived off campus since day one.
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I remember people saying that having official "Greek houses" was actually against NYC law but that could've just been a rumor.
 
Section3 said:
Further, while SJ campus may not be as sprawling as state schools, it is pretty nice. And, even the picturesque schools ultimately become what they are - school.
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Thank you. I was in Vegas with my wife two weeks ago. As we were walking out of the Wynn Hotel one evening, I was wearing a St Jojns t shirt and a gentleman came up to me and asked, what do I now about St Johns. After I told him I was an alumnus, he explained to me that he had taken aa visit to St Johns that week with his daughter, who is a very good player in the class of 24. He liked the Campus and the neighborhood, said it wasn't too big and the surrounding area seemed quiet. He was excited about his daughter playing here.
 
panther2 said:
Thank you. I was in Vegas with my wife two weeks ago. As we were walking out of the Wynn Hotel one evening, I was wearing a St Jojns t shirt and a gentleman came up to me and asked, what do I now about St Johns. After I told him I was an alumnus, he explained to me that he had taken aa visit to St Johns that week with his daughter, who is a very good player in the class of 24. He liked the Campus and the neighborhood, said it wasn't too big and the surrounding area seemed quiet. He was excited about his daughter playing here.
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made me feel good to hear that Panther.
 
ADORAZ said:
Gotcha, yeah I was surprised that back in 2014 I wasn't allowed to get a single as a grad student since in the south I was able to since I was a freshman. I didn't miss out on anything in college because there were always people in our living room whenever I wanted to hang out. Always got a full night's sleep which wasn't the case at St. John's. It does come down to personal preference, but personally I much more enjoyed my college dorm experience with my 3 roommates over the St. John's experience where I shared a tiny bedroom, had no privacy, had shared shower rooms, no fridge, etc. Good to know they now have some singles, and hopefully they are offered to the basketball players. I'd imagine having the option for players to choose between singles and shared bedrooms could only be a good thing, especially if other schools are offering singles.
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I take it you didn't go to the Citadel and sleep on a cot for 4 years.
For many kids, after freshman year they want the freedom to party and live like adults so off campus living becomes a part of the equation. There are schools where living off campus is not an attractive or safe proposition.
That includes some pretty good schools like Columbia, Yale and schools just in the wrong real estate zip code vis-a-vis when they were built. That doesn't stop kids applying to Columbia or even Temple.
The St. John's Queens campus is a fairly small young campus that lacks landmark buildings common at some schools that have buildings going back 100 or more years.
As for the hyping of Manhattan, that's a complete crock!
My nephews attended NYU and a niece was uptown just south of Barnard. There was no "campus". They crossed city streets to attend different classes. The 14th street dorms were half mile from the class rooms. While excellent schools, the amount of time and money is limited to attend clubs and other events.

Basketball players who consider St. John's know that Manhattan is a safe 30 minutes away on the subway.
Some of you make it sound like players are looking for a resort like environment to attend college. I think that for most, it's near the bottom of the list.
 
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Marillac2 said:
The issue IMO is scale and not quality. I lived in the dorms but it never felt like a true college town atmosphere. I believe the school has standing offers on all the homes around the campus. Acquiring all those homes and converting them to more dorms and maybe Greek and sports housing would be huge.

FWIW most of the huge Florida colleges have predominantly off-campus. My cousins are at FSU and have lived off campus since day one.
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When I attended St Johns there were no dorms. Yet the year I graduated was the last time we made it to the Final 4.
 
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