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classof2010 said:
Posh was great his first year. Good his second year. However, last year he was mediocre at best. Also, it became frustrating to watch him not finish around the rim. Now, the Curbelo experiment was garbage, not his fault. Stupid to take the ball out of his hands. I’ll remember Posh winning BE ROY and DPOY. That being said he’s not Erick Barkley, Marcus Hatten, Boo Harvey, or D Hardy. Wish him the best of luck whenever he does not play us. In Coach Pitino we trust! LFG!!
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No disrespect to Posh but , he wasn’t Shamorie Ponds either . And , Ponds certainly belongs in any group of Barkley, Hatten ,Harvey and Hardy .
 
buckethead said:
This is going to be a problem for non-football schools for a while…….
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Arguably the “basketball only” schools are in a better place than the “football school” with regard to N$L.

The president of the largest N$L at a B1G school told me that he is envious is the Big East “basketball only school” because most “basketball only” N$Ls must finance only 13 athletes while his entity is being asked to fund 125 places including the cost of attendance (tuition/ room and board) for the kickers, and long snappers which in turn frees the football staff to fill those former scholarship position with additional skilled and line athletes.

So yes, the football schools have generally been more successful in raising N$L money, but those entities have broader obligations.

Blame the NCAA.
 
buckethead said:
Some interesting commentary...

I see a lot of people saying even RP couldn't have gotten last years crew to March Madness. I find this ironic, since the issues that many seem to have are with the coaching and the team attitude last year.

If you have a guy who runs a tight ship and you have a guy who knows his Xs and Os, why wouldn't he be able to take the talent on that team deeper than the guy you accuse of not being able to coach or keep the ship orderly????


Just an off basketball insight, but over the past 20+ years of teaching, we have had numerous kids open enroll or move into our district because the parents wanted to see them succeed and they were lost or constantly in trouble in other schools. We are a small school, that is academically in the top 5% of the state year round. In those 20 years, we have never had a kid who did not improve. Some were much more obvious than others, but having small class sizes and a kickass teaching team meant we were able to hone in on what each kid needed and at least put some things in place to help them improve. We had one kid who arrived with grades constantly below 40% and in trouble all the time. He left here and went to college and is now living somewhere in Florida as physical therapist. It had nothing to do with him not being able to get there, and everything to do with the leadership and accountability was not present in his other school.


This is not meant to pat myself or my colleagues on the back. Its just a fact that good leadership changes many things. This 2022-23redmen team nearly beat several top notch teams this year and did beat eventual National Champion UConn. There is a lot of talent amongst our kids transferring out and it was not tapped into because they were not led properly. I am not going to bore everyone (more 🤣 :unsure:) with an player by player analysis, especially since I am not expert, but this team had enough talent that RP would have had them dancing. To say he wouldn't have them dancing makes me question why some people think he's an upgrade over MA.
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First of all , with the exception of Soriano , last years team was a 8 th place team and I think you have over valued them individually and , as a team . Their skills did not collectively make them a top finisher in the BE . They were assembled poorly by CMA and no Coach could have changed that dynamic . Each of those players were flawed in some way . Only a few would have made any of the contending BE teams Roster . Soriano definitely and Posh probably . Storr as a freshman might have but , his body of work was limited . Everyone else was borderline .

It’s unbelievable that so many posters think Pitino would or coujd have worked miracles with that group . No Coach could .
 
IDRAFT said:
They weren't whacked - they decided to transfer because they didn't want to stay and play for a new coach. He didn't flush them - they fled. No one was cut. They could have stayed, worked hard, and tried to convince a new coach they had what it takes. They didn't want to do that, they wanted to "feel wanted." They left, and left Pitino needing to now fill the roster. I'm not trashing them, they can do what they want, that is the rules. But when the going looked tough they ran for the hills.

People have this completely backwards.
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Like I said before they did not want to put in the work that RP would require! They became accustomed to the country club environment that CMA created!
 
rcatalano said:
Like I said before they did not want to put in the work that RP would require! They became accustomed to the country club environment that CMA created!
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Country club or party club just checking ? Think country club too formal for that crew lol
 
Everyone believes posh was the next mark Jackson. Granted he played great defense but offensively limited and I like the kid. Anyway let's just wish him the best of luck at seton hall and move on. Tired of seen some posters bicker about last years players and team. They were flushed down the toilet the same way they played . (Except for a few)
 
njfan said:
Everyone believes posh was the next mark Jackson. Granted he played great defense but offensively limited and I like the kid. Anyway let's just wish him the best of luck at seton hall and move on. Tired of seen some posters bicker about last years players and team. They were flushed down the toilet the same way they played . (Except for a few)
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Yeah, he’s no Sean Conway🙄
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
First of all , with the exception of Soriano , last years team was a 8 th place team and I think you have over valued them individually and , as a team . Their skills did not collectively make them a top finisher in the BE . They were assembled poorly by CMA and no Coach could have changed that dynamic . Each of those players were flawed in some way . Only a few would have made any of the contending BE teams Roster . Soriano definitely and Posh probably . Storr as a freshman might have but , his body of work was limited . Everyone else was borderline .

It’s unbelievable that so many posters think Pitino would or coujd have worked miracles with that group . No Coach could .
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If you ask my opinion, RP would have had the team in the tournament. We lost some games due to poor coaching. Also it seems the team lacked discipline, which can be taught.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
That would mean taking a 8 th place BE team with a dysfunctional attitude and the same poorly team skills to new heights ? Even Pitino could not fix all the broken pieces . No Coach could . NCAA with that group ? No way .
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If Pitino is not 4 conference wins > CMA then why are we so excited about him as the greatest coach of our generation. ;)

That's all it would have taken to get into the dance. CMA had this team tied or in the lead in the 2nd half in 6 or 7 games conference games plus the BE conference tournament game this year. Pitino would have gotten much more from them last year and next. But he needs to do it the way he wants to.
 
austour said:
If Pitino is not 4 conference wins > CMA then why are we so excited about him as the greatest coach of our generation. ;)

That's all it would have taken to get into the dance. CMA had this team tied or in the lead in the 2nd half in 6 or 7 games conference games plus the BE conference tournament game this year. Pitino would have gotten much more from them last year and next. But he needs to do it the way he wants to.
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Kolby king to Tulane
 
5’9 with a torn ACL. Can’t recall ever watching him play and certainly am not suggesting going after him, but his numbers are strange. Good and bad. 10 points & 3 assists in 18 minutes is a lot of production. Getting up 9 shots as well with ugly %s so he’s not shy. Could see him going to low conference and putting up gaudy #s.

 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
First of all , with the exception of Soriano , last years team was a 8 th place team and I think you have over valued them individually and , as a team . Their skills did not collectively make them a top finisher in the BE . They were assembled poorly by CMA and no Coach could have changed that dynamic . Each of those players were flawed in some way . Only a few would have made any of the contending BE teams Roster . Soriano definitely and Posh probably . Storr as a freshman might have but , his body of work was limited . Everyone else was borderline .

It’s unbelievable that so many posters think Pitino would or coujd have worked miracles with that group . No Coach could .
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It's amazing to me that so many people don't understand what good leadership changes. It wouldn't be a miracle, it would be anticipated. Do I think they'd have won the league? Hell no. Do I think they'd have been in the post season with at least a chance? Hell yes.

Soriano, Storr, Posh. Wusu and Jones all have enough skill. GOOD coaching would ironed out character issues, motivation and running a more efficient offense.

Just my take....
 
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