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newsman13 said:
You're misreading the posts of many of us, arguing we're malcontents.

I don't remember any program that went through a mid-March massacre such as ours. Can anyone here? On some level, it's a Bo Bo Brazil Cocobutt to the head. You can only take so many of those...and those of us who've followed the program for practically infinity are still reeling from the annual atomic elbow drops and targeted kneeing we've experienced.

The same posters who are walking down the aisle spreading incense and putting roses on the red carpet as they wax fantastic about our new guys will be the same posters who become haters as soon as one of them misses a key free throw or a couple of three pointers. I understand this is how it works.

I'm different. I'm grateful for the young men who broke their asses through middle school, high school, AAU and so forth to be one in a million high major division I players. You can't look at Posh and say this is a natural born athlete. Wusu? They broke their asses to get to this level. Of course, so did Alleyne, Jenkins, Davis and Conway. I won't trash these guys. I'm just saying I hope Pitino has a plan in place that'll bring in better players than the ones he flushed.

Some are posting they're okay with missing the dance next year...they're in it for the long haul. All of us know we would have been in the dance next year with the players we had and one of the best coaches of all time drawing up plays for them. Missing the dance next year is unacceptable.

I am still elated at the Pitino signing. He's not a guy like Mahoney who averaged six wins a year when he coached at Manhattan...or Norm, whose head coaching record was worse. It was easy to predict failure on their part. Pitino also broke his ass to become a Hall of Famer. It's easy to predict he'll be a success here.

It's just after all these years, I'm bracing for another Cocobutt...
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They weren't whacked - they decided to transfer because they didn't want to stay and play for a new coach. He didn't flush them - they fled. No one was cut. They could have stayed, worked hard, and tried to convince a new coach they had what it takes. They didn't want to do that, they wanted to "feel wanted." They left, and left Pitino needing to now fill the roster. I'm not trashing them, they can do what they want, that is the rules. But when the going looked tough they ran for the hills.

People have this completely backwards.
 
newsman13 said:
You're misreading the posts of many of us, arguing we're malcontents.

I don't remember any program that went through a mid-March massacre such as ours. Can anyone here? On some level, it's a Bo Bo Brazil Cocobutt to the head. You can only take so many of those...and those of us who've followed the program for practically infinity are still reeling from the annual atomic elbow drops and targeted kneeing we've experienced.

The same posters who are walking down the aisle spreading incense and putting roses on the red carpet as they wax fantastic about our new guys will be the same posters who become haters as soon as one of them misses a key free throw or a couple of three pointers. I understand this is how it works.

I'm different. I'm grateful for the young men who broke their asses through middle school, high school, AAU and so forth to be one in a million high major division I players. You can't look at Posh and say this is a natural born athlete. Wusu? They broke their asses to get to this level. Of course, so did Alleyne, Jenkins, Davis and Conway. I won't trash these guys. I'm just saying I hope Pitino has a plan in place that'll bring in better players than the ones he flushed.

Some are posting they're okay with missing the dance next year...they're in it for the long haul. All of us know we would have been in the dance next year with the players we had and one of the best coaches of all time drawing up plays for them. Missing the dance next year is unacceptable.

I am still elated at the Pitino signing. He's not a guy like Mahoney who averaged six wins a year when he coached at Manhattan...or Norm, whose head coaching record was worse. It was easy to predict failure on their part. Pitino also broke his ass to become a Hall of Famer. It's easy to predict he'll be a success here.

It's just after all these years, I'm bracing for another Cocobutt...
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Newsie , me thinks YOU have taken too many Skill Murphy head butts and Antonio Rocca drop kicks to think if all last years team returned , Pitino would get them to dance ? Ha .
That would mean taking a 8 th place BE team with a dysfunctional attitude and the same poorly team skills to new heights ? Even Pitino could not fix all the broken pieces . No Coach could . NCAA with that group ? No way . And , you haven’t factored in that Storr and Posh might have transferred out anyway . Even Soriano was no guarantee to return .



Nope , last year’s team needed to be overhauled . Those who think otherwise are in denial .Many posters here are suddenly distraught about the overhaul and that’s mystifying . Recall all the negative posts about Wusu . Storr was blistered for not playing defense . Posh was a turnover machine who couldn’t shoot . Jones was out of.control playground player who never passed the ball . And , we haven’t even talked about Curbelo and Pinzon yet. One is a different sort to say the least and the other always hurt or under discipline benchings


No Newsie , that team was not making the NCAA or winning a BE championship . No matter if it had Pitino , Auerbach and Holtzman on the sidelines .
 
Marillac2 said:
What are you saying? Why do some of you feel the need to force binaries? You act like we just signed a top 10 class😂 Anderson would coach this group to 3 conference wins.
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This group??? Why don’t we wait until we have a full roster before before we start with how many wins they would have had in conference under Anderson. Also, who cares what any of these players or group of players would have done under Anderson and his antiquated system. We have Ricky P. now!! A Hall of Fame coach. All that matters is how they perform under Pitino’s tutelage.
 
Some interesting commentary...

I see a lot of people saying even RP couldn't have gotten last years crew to March Madness. I find this ironic, since the issues that many seem to have are with the coaching and the team attitude last year.

If you have a guy who runs a tight ship and you have a guy who knows his Xs and Os, why wouldn't he be able to take the talent on that team deeper than the guy you accuse of not being able to coach or keep the ship orderly????


Just an off basketball insight, but over the past 20+ years of teaching, we have had numerous kids open enroll or move into our district because the parents wanted to see them succeed and they were lost or constantly in trouble in other schools. We are a small school, that is academically in the top 5% of the state year round. In those 20 years, we have never had a kid who did not improve. Some were much more obvious than others, but having small class sizes and a kickass teaching team meant we were able to hone in on what each kid needed and at least put some things in place to help them improve. We had one kid who arrived with grades constantly below 40% and in trouble all the time. He left here and went to college and is now living somewhere in Florida as physical therapist. It had nothing to do with him not being able to get there, and everything to do with the leadership and accountability was not present in his other school.


This is not meant to pat myself or my colleagues on the back. Its just a fact that good leadership changes many things. This 2022-23redmen team nearly beat several top notch teams this year and did beat eventual National Champion UConn. There is a lot of talent amongst our kids transferring out and it was not tapped into because they were not led properly. I am not going to bore everyone (more 🤣 :unsure:) with an player by player analysis, especially since I am not expert, but this team had enough talent that RP would have had them dancing. To say he wouldn't have them dancing makes me question why some people think he's an upgrade over MA.
 
newsman13 said:
You're misreading the posts of many of us, arguing we're malcontents.

I don't remember any program that went through a mid-March massacre such as ours. Can anyone here? On some level, it's a Bo Bo Brazil Cocobutt to the head. You can only take so many of those...and those of us who've followed the program for practically infinity are still reeling from the annual atomic elbow drops and targeted kneeing we've experienced.

The same posters who are walking down the aisle spreading incense and putting roses on the red carpet as they wax fantastic about our new guys will be the same posters who become haters as soon as one of them misses a key free throw or a couple of three pointers. I understand this is how it works.

I'm different. I'm grateful for the young men who broke their asses through middle school, high school, AAU and so forth to be one in a million high major division I players. You can't look at Posh and say this is a natural born athlete. Wusu? They broke their asses to get to this level. Of course, so did Alleyne, Jenkins, Davis and Conway. I won't trash these guys. I'm just saying I hope Pitino has a plan in place that'll bring in better players than the ones he flushed.

Some are posting they're okay with missing the dance next year...they're in it for the long haul. All of us know we would have been in the dance next year with the players we had and one of the best coaches of all time drawing up plays for them. Missing the dance next year is unacceptable.

I am still elated at the Pitino signing. He's not a guy like Mahoney who averaged six wins a year when he coached at Manhattan...or Norm, whose head coaching record was worse. It was easy to predict failure on their part. Pitino also broke his ass to become a Hall of Famer. It's easy to predict he'll be a success here.

It's just after all these years, I'm bracing for another Cocobutt...
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..."I don't remember any program that went through a mid-March massacre such as ours. Can anyone here?"

Kansas State, new staff and two players on the roster, Nowell and Massoud.
 
newsman13 said:
You're misreading the posts of many of us, arguing we're malcontents.

I don't remember any program that went through a mid-March massacre such as ours. Can anyone here? On some level, it's a Bo Bo Brazil Cocobutt to the head. You can only take so many of those...and those of us who've followed the program for practically infinity are still reeling from the annual atomic elbow drops and targeted kneeing we've experienced.

The same posters who are walking down the aisle spreading incense and putting roses on the red carpet as they wax fantastic about our new guys will be the same posters who become haters as soon as one of them misses a key free throw or a couple of three pointers. I understand this is how it works.

I'm different. I'm grateful for the young men who broke their asses through middle school, high school, AAU and so forth to be one in a million high major division I players. You can't look at Posh and say this is a natural born athlete. Wusu? They broke their asses to get to this level. Of course, so did Alleyne, Jenkins, Davis and Conway. I won't trash these guys. I'm just saying I hope Pitino has a plan in place that'll bring in better players than the ones he flushed.

Some are posting they're okay with missing the dance next year...they're in it for the long haul. All of us know we would have been in the dance next year with the players we had and one of the best coaches of all time drawing up plays for them. Missing the dance next year is unacceptable.

I am still elated at the Pitino signing. He's not a guy like Mahoney who averaged six wins a year when he coached at Manhattan...or Norm, whose head coaching record was worse. It was easy to predict failure on their part. Pitino also broke his ass to become a Hall of Famer. It's easy to predict he'll be a success here.

It's just after all these years, I'm bracing for another Cocobutt...
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I wouldn't worry. I never saw Bobo get a win with the cocobutt. We have survived all that you have mentioned, and finally have a coach that knows exactly what is needed. Pitino did not come here to try to prove a point by coaching up a bunch of disciplinary problems. First, he doesn't have to prove anything, and second, he knows what type of player it takes to win at a major conference.

This is a time for joy as a St. John's fan, not dismay because the 4 and 5 star recruits and transfers haven't rolled in a month since Pitino's hire. Pitino signed the most significant recruit: Joel Soriano. Maybe cleaning house will make him that much better. I don't agree that making the NCAA is a must this coming season. HS recruiting is mostly done, and St. John's still seemingly has no NIL plan in place and has the same lacking facilities and 2 decade history of ineptitude. I never believed that Pitino could succeed on his name alone. Too many other factor$ in play. The best recruits and transfers are becoming businessman more than basketball players. Once Pitino has a chance to get his ducks in a row, then we will see what he is capable of. If by chance he doesn't succeed, it won't be because he failed to kiss up to the players who shot bricks and turned the ball over, or were busy getting suspended.
 
Ray Morgan said:
I wouldn't worry. I never saw Bobo get a win with the cocobutt. We have survived all that you have mentioned, and finally have a coach that knows exactly what is needed. Pitino did not come here to try to prove a point by coaching up a bunch of disciplinary problems. First, he doesn't have to prove anything, and second, he knows what type of player it takes to win at a major conference.

This is a time for joy as a St. John's fan, not dismay because the 4 and 5 star recruits and transfers haven't rolled in a month since Pitino's hire. Pitino signed the most significant recruit: Joel Soriano. Maybe cleaning house will make him that much better. I don't agree that making the NCAA is a must this coming season. HS recruiting is mostly done, and St. John's still seemingly has no NIL plan in place and has the same lacking facilities and 2 decade history of ineptitude. I never believed that Pitino could succeed on his name alone. Too many other factor$ in play. The best recruits and transfers are becoming businessman more than basketball players. Once Pitino has a chance to get his ducks in a row, then we will see what he is capable of. If by chance he doesn't succeed, it won't be because he failed to kiss up to the players who shot bricks and turned the ball over, or were busy getting suspended.
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The off-season is always the time of joy for the St. John’s fan ☹️.
 
Mean Gene said:
This group??? Why don’t we wait until we have a full roster before before we start with how many wins they would have had in conference under Anderson. Also, who cares what any of these players or group of players would have done under Anderson and his antiquated system. We have Ricky P. now!! A Hall of Fame coach. All that matters is how they perform under Pitino’s tutelage.
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What is the point of this post? The guy I was replying do was basically doing a mic drop over mediocre signings. I pointed out this is a 3-win roster under our prior coach as far as talent goes CURRENTLY. We’re obviously going to add more players and we aren’t being coached by Anderson anymore (thankfully). Why does everyone have to stand behind such extreme points of view? 😂
 
Posh was great his first year. Good his second year. However, last year he was mediocre at best. Also, it became frustrating to watch him not finish around the rim. Now, the Curbelo experiment was garbage, not his fault. Stupid to take the ball out of his hands. I’ll remember Posh winning BE ROY and DPOY. That being said he’s not Erick Barkley, Marcus Hatten, Boo Harvey, or D Hardy. Wish him the best of luck whenever he does not play us. In Coach Pitino we trust! LFG!!
 
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