Tournament or New Coach

[monte]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

We had a pretty good player here who also "lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best". Yet he did pretty well in spite of those limitations. Agree that Hurley lacked many of the physical attributes of those others mentioned, but when one talks about "intangibles" and "BB IQ", he's right near the top of the list. Having said that, being surrounded by Laettner, Hill, etc. helped mask his physical shortcomings. He had the perfect team in the perfect system for his abilities.

 

[Moose]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Uh I said modern era of basketball. Aka 3 point line. Aka Field of 64. So that would wipe off about half your list.

Here is something along the same lines.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-04-10/best-of-the-era-top-10-guards

 

[monte]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Uh I said modern era of basketball. Aka 3 point line. Aka Field of 64. So that would wipe off about half your list.

Here is something along the same lines.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-04-10/best-of-the-era-top-10-guards

Those other guys were all scoring point guards. As a pure point guard, you are correct that he is arguably the best. Maybe Magic before him. As an aside, I remember watching Nash in college and thinking he was something special. But of course he didn't play for a big name school which contributed to the lack of recognition.

 

[SJU61982]

Um shouldn't Danny Hurley try getting to .500 at URI before we start wanting him as coach?

I agree, this is a big year for Hurley. Losing Jordan Hare hurts, but he still has a number of guys (that he recruited) back. We should have a better read on him after this year.

Anyone know what NYC HS coaches think of him? I know Dad is well respected by the casual fan, but I have no idea what other coaches think of him?.

Rather have Bobby. Only HC for one year but arguably the greatest modern day college bball PG. Fans know the name so some ticket selling appeal. Mellower than his brother.

Bobby's Buffalo squad looking pretty good here. Leads Kentucky 38-33 at the half.

 

[Moose]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Uh I said modern era of basketball. Aka 3 point line. Aka Field of 64. So that would wipe off about half your list.

Here is something along the same lines.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-04-10/best-of-the-era-top-10-guards

Those other guys were all scoring point guards. As a pure point guard, you are correct that he is arguably the best. Maybe Magic before him. As an aside, I remember watching Nash in college and thinking he was something special. But of course he didn't play for a big name school which contributed to the lack of recognition.

The other issue is great college PG's usually translate to good/great NBA players so that clouds views IMO as some players as their more recent NBA success skews them up.

 

[beast of the east]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Was Oscar Robertson a point in college?

 

[paultzman]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Was Oscar Robertson a point in college?

Yes

 

[bobre45]

Is there any name program in the US that has recruited less than us in 2014/2015? How does this guy stay employed? What happens when everyone leaves? Does the program shut down? I'm sorry but this is no time to sit back. We are in desperate times and need to take desperate measures. The shine is long gone from Lavin's apple and we have to get out ahead of this for a change. No more search commitees and consultations with the old guard. Hire a sports agent and cut to the chase. There are a dozen better options out there and I can't take the perpetual flow of BS any longer. The SJU image has been so tarnished by all our indecision and incompetence it's just not fair to all the people who spent money going here. There is no reason why we have to always be considered second rate. Our location alone should should prevent that. We have a new administration with everything they need to improve the picture. Our flagship sports program should start living up to the achievements of the golf, soccer, baseball, and womens hoops programs. There are no valid excuses and our basketball expenditures have far exceeded the benefits we've reeped. Do something SJU!. Take away the laughingstock image and at least restore the "bang for a buck" rep we used to have. I'm so tired of the condescending smiles whenever the name gets mentioned. Give us something, anything, to be proud of about our alma mater.

 

[logen]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Was Oscar Robertson a point in college?

Yes

I agree to a point (pun intended.) back in the day, guards were guards and Oscar could do it all and then some. The emphasis on distinction between positions just was not part of the game back then.

 

[beast of the east]

Uh magic, isaiah, cousy, maravich, phil ford, calvin murphy, gary payton, iverson, chris paul. I'll give you top ten for Hurley but best ever? Cmon. He played in a great system and was smart, had great vision and was disciplined and well coached. But he had the body of Archidiacano and lacked the speed, quickness, strength, and elevation to be the best.

Was Oscar Robertson a point in college?

Yes

Oscar Robertson in college: 33.8 ppg, , 15 rebounds per game, 7+ assists per game in the 2 seasons they were tracked. End of discussion of Hurley was arguably best college point guard ever.

 

[SJUalum98]

Didn't he say modern day?

 

[paultzman]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

 

[beast of the east]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

 

[MainMan]

This thread has gone through a wormhole.

 

[paultzman]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

Agree on West & Robertson. I just think Moose meant in last 15 years or so, but leave it to him to clarify.

 

[beast of the east]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

Agree on West & Robertson. I just think Moose meant in last 15 years or so, but leave it to him to clarify.

Ah ok. The topic of modern era I don't think of as a chronology, either in football, baseball, or basketball. It's more when the game was transformed significantly by equipment, rules, or talent, at least to me.

Getting back to the main thread, Lavin can escape the ax if he misses the tournament, but somehow strike gold in recruiting. Whiffs on both, and I say he's a goner.

 

[paultzman]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

Agree on West & Robertson. I just think Moose meant in last 15 years or so, but leave it to him to clarify.

Ah ok. The topic of modern era I don't think of as a chronology, either in football, baseball, or basketball. It's more when the game was transformed significantly by equipment, rules, or talent, at least to me.

Getting back to the main thread, Lavin can escape the ax if he misses the tournament, but somehow strike gold in recruiting. Whiffs on both, and I say he's a goner.

Agree on that outcome. I also don't think Lavin will want to coach a limited group next year either. I suspect this could be a mutually agreed upon departure if he comes up short on court & in nailing solid 15 class. We'll see. Still hope he can surprise us.

 

[Moose]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

Agree on West & Robertson. I just think Moose meant in last 15 years or so, but leave it to him to clarify.

I don't know how many more times I can say modern, 3 pt era, 64 team brackets etc

But who am I to stay in the way from others going down memory lane. Carry on just to piss off MainMan

 

[beast of the east]

Didn't he say modern day?

Yes he did. Twice as a matter of fact.

I would say the modern day was ushered in with players such as Robertson, Chamberlain West, Russell. Any of them could play in today's game and still be stars. There is little doubt in my mind that both West and Robertson would still be among the best. I think the modern era of basketball would begin somewhere between 1956-1960. Do you disagree with that? We aren't talking George Mikan, Red Holzman, and set shots.

Agree on West & Robertson. I just think Moose meant in last 15 years or so, but leave it to him to clarify.

I don't know how many more times I can say modern, 3 pt era, 64 team brackets etc

But who am I to stay in the way from others going down memory lane. Carry on just to piss off MainMan

Moose, I think it would have been clearer to me if you had said post 1985. I never heard that modern college basketball was defined by expansion of the tourney or addition of the 3 point shot..

I would think eras are defined by these milestones, in no chronological order.

1) the innovation of the jump shot
2) breaking of the color barrier
3) continued widening of the line to limit the inside dominance of a taller talented player (Mikan, Chamberlain, Alcindor)
4) implementation of the shot clock.
5) removal of the dunk (combatting Alcindor)
6) implementing the ABA home run ball - the three point shot (a detriment to the game)
7) freshman ineligibility rule lifted (arguable what this did for student athletes)

This should be in its own thread, but worthy to discuss and ponder.

 

[simplyred]

Chris Mullin played in a bygone era!