Tournament or New Coach
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You know what, you put a positive spin on everything, hype the team and players ridiculously IMO, and see everything through rose colored glasses; that is your position and you are more than entitled to it and to post accordingly. But that is not the only valid position and if things to the negative exhaust you I respectfully suggest you skip them. And frankly, 3-0 means absolutely nothing at this point; absolutely nothing. I root for this team every game but I like to discuss the situation realistically and maturely, not like some 8th grade cheerleader.
Sports are meant to be a positive retreat from some of the tougher aspects of life. You and several others are doing your best to ruin it for everyone with your constant negativity. You, Otis, Johnnyfan and several others could literally go a year without posting and not a single person on this site would wonder where you all stand. What is the point?
There is nothing constructive about these negative posts. It is trolling pure and simple. It makes our program look awful. To think recruits and coaches don't notice this is naive at best. 48 hours before the best recruit we've been involved with in a decade was set to announce--with us as the rumored leader--there was an onslaught of negative threads and posts. If you want to cheer for an easy team, then become a fan of Kentucky.
If you want to knock me for trying to put a positive spin on things, go ahead. You sound like miserable f*ck in every single one of your posts.
Marillac, I know what you're saying, not every conversation has to be about Lavin's future. But look at the title of this thread.
Also, I'm totally with you in regards to supporting this team of seniors. I want them to go out with a bang too. But ignoring the future won't make the concerns go away.
Landing Bricoe would have been an unbelievable achievement. Lavin shouldn't be judged based on that.
I agree w you re :IB. What was the advantage of posting all that negative stuff in the IB thread before he was announcing.I may have thought some of those things but I tried to make SJU look like an attractive destination in the IB thread.The Diallo thread hasn't been looking to good either lately.
None of us is happy with where the program is, although getting Whitehead (albeit with his HS coach) last year and getting Briscoe this year would have dramatically changed that ... But isn't calling us a third-rate program is bit of a stretch? Players like Whitehead, Briscoe, Diallo, and Sampson do not put third-rate programs on their final lists of schools.
I agree that we are not a third rate program, however at this juncture in time I feel as though the state of the program is no better then it was during the last year of Norm's tenure. Remember Norm also just missed out on some pretty big recruits(Landesberg, Stephenson) who may have changed the trajectory of the program. After Lavin's initial splash, including a nice showing with Norm's kids, its been a very disappointing tenure.
southernjohnny2
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. Otis I thought you were a smart fella. 300+ d 1 teams each with a bakers dozen on their respective teams. Do the math on how many kids that equals. That is a few thousand kids. All of our starters were either just outside the top 50 or under. That's pretty impressive. Especially considering. We don't have sham classes, people taking SAT's, giving away kids aunts or uncle's beauty salons, dry cleaners. So yeah I just proved he can recruit! Otis you must of been a Barry Bonds fan during the steroid era!
When you put all your money on a longshot in year five with the hope that his commitment opens up the door to other top recruits, you best land him.
There is little difference between Lavin-Briscoe and Norm-Syl. And that's a sad place to be considering the promise Lavin had at the beginning of his tenure.
. Otis I thought you were a smart fella. 300+ d 1 teams each with a bakers dozen on their respective teams. Do the math on how many kids that equals. That is a few thousand kids. All of our starters were either just outside the top 50 or under. That's pretty impressive. Especially considering. We don't have sham classes, people taking SAT's, giving away kids aunts or uncle's beauty salons, dry cleaners. So yeah I just proved he can recruit! Otis you must of been a Barry Bonds fan during the steroid era![/quote]
Tom,
If you believe that top to bottom StJohn's has a talented roster then there is not much I can say to change your mind. If you favor having St.John's play with a short roster (3 less scholarship players that allied by NCAA) and with unbalanced class rosters then we differ.
The bottom line is that StJoihn's will have at least six openings on its roster next season and as of this late date in the recruiting cycle, November 20, 2014, "Lav" who you believe can recruit well has just one 3*. I sincerely hope that "Lav" finishes with a great recruiting class but that will be surprising given that there are few top high schoolers remaining.
Perhaps if Mr.Briscoe had known who his teammates would be next season he would have committed to StJohn.
Capisce?
beast of the east
Active member
Tom,
If you believe that top to bottom StJohn's has a talented roster then there is not much I can say to change your mind. If you favor having St.John's play with a short roster (3 less scholarship players that allied by NCAA) and with unbalanced class rosters then we differ.
The bottom line is that StJoihn's will have at least six openings on its roster next season and as of this late date in the recruiting cycle, November 20, 2014, "Lav" who you believe can recruit well has just one 3*. I sincerely hope that "Lav" finishes with a great recruiting class but that will be surprising given that there are few top high schoolers remaining.
Perhaps if Mr.Briscoe had known who his teammates would be next season he would have committed to StJohn.
Capisce?[/quote]
The state of this current roster considered, just think that if you took a roster of the best players both Roberts AND Lavin recruited over the past dozen years, a Kentucky roster would still be far superior. If you compare our successes over the past 65 years to their successes over that past 5 years, we lose. If you compare the number of lottery picks they've generated over the past 4 years compared to us since the inception of the draft lottery, we lose. Capisce?
southernjohnny2
Member
Tom,
If you believe that top to bottom StJohn's has a talented roster then there is not much I can say to change your mind. If you favor having St.John's play with a short roster (3 less scholarship players that allied by NCAA) and with unbalanced class rosters then we differ.
The bottom line is that StJoihn's will have at least six openings on its roster next season and as of this late date in the recruiting cycle, November 20, 2014, "Lav" who you believe can recruit well has just one 3*. I sincerely hope that "Lav" finishes with a great recruiting class but that will be surprising given that there are few top high schoolers remaining.
Perhaps if Mr.Briscoe had known who his teammates would be next season he would have committed to StJohn.
Capisce?[/quote]
Otis now you change the subject. I said Lavin could recruit, and I proved it, now you want to say we don't have enough players, Kansas has 7 schollie kids suited up against Kentucky. Kansas is an elite program. Our first 6 are all top 50 or close to that...I give Lavin credit for being on Briscoe before he blew up. He was in his head before he became the best H.S. PG in the country..Kentucky didn't get on to him until August after the kid blew up. Shows me Lavin has an eye for talent. Now Lavin may not have the creative donors Kentucky does or creative financing to work with. I cant blame a kid for going where the fringe benefits are.
Now you are saying Xavier gets things done with the same level of kids as we have. Now you are talking about coaching ability. Unfortunately that is a different subject. I never said Lavin was a great game coach.
What I am saying is its pretty damn hard to recruit a kid, when you have no contract. I am sure that was much more important to him than who he was going to play with. That is not on Lavin that he does not have an extension. Any other school outside the premier schools will crush on that fact recruiting against Lavin. They will say I love Lavin and I am glad you like him to, but unfortunately it doesn't look like Lavin will be back, and then the kid comes here and reads all these posts saying Lavin is leaving, where would you be going?
You never answered about your love for Barry Bonds ???
Otis now you change the subject. I said Lavin could recruit, and I proved it, now you want to say we don't have enough players, Kansas has 7 schollie kids suited up against Kentucky. Kansas is an elite program. Our first 6 are all top 50 or close to that...I give Lavin credit for being on Briscoe before he blew up. He was in his head before he became the best H.S. PG in the country..Kentucky didn't get on to him until August after the kid blew up. Shows me Lavin has an eye for talent. Now Lavin may not have the creative donors Kentucky does or creative financing to work with. I cant blame a kid for going where the fringe benefits are.
Now you are saying Xavier gets things done with the same level of kids as we have. Now you are talking about coaching ability. Unfortunately that is a different subject. I never said Lavin was a great game coach.
What I am saying is its pretty damn hard to recruit a kid, when you have no contract. I am sure that was much more important to him than who he was going to play with. That is not on Lavin that he does not have an extension. Any other school outside the premier schools will crush on that fact recruiting against Lavin. They will say I love Lavin and I am glad you like him to, but unfortunately it doesn't look like Lavin will be back, and then the kid comes here and reads all these posts saying Lavin is leaving, where would you be going?
You never answered about your love for Barry Bonds ???[/quote]
Lavin has no one but himself to blame for not having an extension. Also, claiming that the lack of an extension for Lavin is the reason Briscoe chose Kentucky is like saying you bought a Mercedes over a Hyundai because the Hyundai didn't have rear cup-holders. BS